Planning: Winter Bulking Cycle

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As I am accustomed to doing anymore I would to run my plans for a winter bulking cycle by the forum for any and all input. This cycle will take place around the first of Dec. I know it is a long way away but I am finishing up my summer cutting cycle and am want to be all set gear wise.

Week 1-10: Test E @ 1000mg/week
Week 1-10: Deca @ 500mg/week
Week 2-6: Anadrol 100mg/day
Week 2-6: Winstrol 60mg/day
Week 2-10: HCG 50iu/day
Week 6-10: Proviron 100mg/day
Week 1-10: Adex .25mg/eod
Week 1-12?: Humalog 4iu pre/ 8iu Am 3xweek
Week 1-12?: Metformin 450mg/day 4xweek
Week 13-18: Test E @ 100mg
Week 19-24: Test Taper with nolv @ 25mg/day

The question marks around the humalog and metformin are due to my inability to determine a proper and definite protocol. For now I will use pre workout slin @ 4iu and then an 8iu dose the following morning focused around my hardest lifting days (i.e. bench/squat/dead). The duration of the slin use is also not set in stone. I am thinking that the metformin on off days will help to offset insulin resistance.

I will also be using IGF for 3 weeks during the stasis period of the PCT.

I don’t have any yet but am strongly considering adding in HGH @ 4iu/day for the duration of the cycle, injecting 5x a week.

Alright boys, let me have it.

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you havent used slin before have you pain? Its just that 12 weeks is too long from everything i have read. Also, if you havent i wouldnt suggest starting with preWO injects. seriously.

where’s bushy or altered? :slight_smile:

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
As I am accustomed to doing anymore I would to run my plans for a winter bulking cycle by the forum for any and all input. This cycle will take place around the first of Dec. I know it is a long way away but I am finishing up my summer cutting cycle and am want to be all set gear wise.

Week 1-10: Test E @ 100mg/week
Week 1-10: Deca @ 500mg/week
Week 2-6: Anadrol 100mg/day
Week 2-6: Winstrol 60mg/day
Week 2-10: HCG 50iu/day
Week 6-10: Proviron 100mg/day
Week 1-10: Adex .25mg/eod
Week 1-12?: Humalog 4iu pre/ 8iu Am 3xweek
Week 1-12?: Metformin 450mg/day 4xweek
Week 13-18: Test E @ 100mg
Week 19-24: Test Taper with nolv @ 25mg/day

The question marks around the humalog and metformin are due to my inability to determine a proper and definite protocol. For now I will use pre workout slin @ 4iu and then an 8iu dose the following morning focused around my hardest lifting days (i.e. bench/squat/dead). The duration of the slin use is also not set in stone. I am thinking that the metformin on off days will help to offset insulin resistance.

I will also be using IGF for 3 weeks during the stasis period of the PCT.

I don’t have any yet but am strongly considering adding in HGH @ 4iu/day for the duration of the cycle, injecting 5x a week.

Alright boys, let me have it.[/quote]

Is the test supposed to be 1000mg a week? you got 100mg there! lol!
Dont know your experience with deca (good to see it in use here!) but i personally need alot less… 3-400mg is a common and with 400mg being plenty for the majority.
Also why the massive amount of proviron?

Looks like a nice cycle though… test, deca and drol. BIG gains!

:wink:

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[quote] Brook wrote:
you havent used slin before have you pain? Its just that 12 weeks is too long from everything i have read. Also, if you havent i wouldnt suggest starting with preWO injects. seriously.

where’s bushy or altered? :)[/quote]

I have used slin before. I was trying to work out this slin dosing protocol with Bushys help. At this point I plan on running several oral glucose tests during my use to establish how my insulin sensitivity is being effected. I am hoping that by using no more than 8iu per inject and no more than 3 days per week with metformin on off days I will be able to go the whole 12 weeks without many sides.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
2thepain wrote:
As I am accustomed to doing anymore I would to run my plans for a winter bulking cycle by the forum for any and all input. This cycle will take place around the first of Dec. I know it is a long way away but I am finishing up my summer cutting cycle and am want to be all set gear wise.

Week 1-10: Test E @ 100mg/week
Week 1-10: Deca @ 500mg/week
Week 2-6: Anadrol 100mg/day
Week 2-6: Winstrol 60mg/day
Week 2-10: HCG 50iu/day
Week 6-10: Proviron 100mg/day
Week 1-10: Adex .25mg/eod
Week 1-12?: Humalog 4iu pre/ 8iu Am 3xweek
Week 1-12?: Metformin 450mg/day 4xweek
Week 13-18: Test E @ 100mg
Week 19-24: Test Taper with nolv @ 25mg/day

The question marks around the humalog and metformin are due to my inability to determine a proper and definite protocol. For now I will use pre workout slin @ 4iu and then an 8iu dose the following morning focused around my hardest lifting days (i.e. bench/squat/dead). The duration of the slin use is also not set in stone. I am thinking that the metformin on off days will help to offset insulin resistance.

I will also be using IGF for 3 weeks during the stasis period of the PCT.

I don’t have any yet but am strongly considering adding in HGH @ 4iu/day for the duration of the cycle, injecting 5x a week.

Alright boys, let me have it.

Is the test supposed to be 1000mg a week? you got 100mg there! lol!
Dont know your experience with deca (good to see it in use here!) but i personally need alot less… 3-400mg is a common and with 400mg being plenty for the majority.
Also why the massive amount of proviron?

Looks like a nice cycle though… test, deca and drol. BIG gains!

;)[/quote]

My bad, yeah I ment 1000mg/week. I’ll edit that.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
2thepain wrote:
As I am accustomed to doing anymore I would to run my plans for a winter bulking cycle by the forum for any and all input. This cycle will take place around the first of Dec. I know it is a long way away but I am finishing up my summer cutting cycle and am want to be all set gear wise.

Week 1-10: Test E @ 100mg/week
Week 1-10: Deca @ 500mg/week
Week 2-6: Anadrol 100mg/day
Week 2-6: Winstrol 60mg/day
Week 2-10: HCG 50iu/day
Week 6-10: Proviron 100mg/day
Week 1-10: Adex .25mg/eod
Week 1-12?: Humalog 4iu pre/ 8iu Am 3xweek
Week 1-12?: Metformin 450mg/day 4xweek
Week 13-18: Test E @ 100mg
Week 19-24: Test Taper with nolv @ 25mg/day

The question marks around the humalog and metformin are due to my inability to determine a proper and definite protocol. For now I will use pre workout slin @ 4iu and then an 8iu dose the following morning focused around my hardest lifting days (i.e. bench/squat/dead). The duration of the slin use is also not set in stone. I am thinking that the metformin on off days will help to offset insulin resistance.

I will also be using IGF for 3 weeks during the stasis period of the PCT.

I don’t have any yet but am strongly considering adding in HGH @ 4iu/day for the duration of the cycle, injecting 5x a week.

Alright boys, let me have it.

Is the test supposed to be 1000mg a week? you got 100mg there! lol!
Dont know your experience with deca (good to see it in use here!) but i personally need alot less… 3-400mg is a common and with 400mg being plenty for the majority.
Also why the massive amount of proviron?

Looks like a nice cycle though… test, deca and drol. BIG gains!

;)[/quote]

As far as the proviron use goes, I am assuming that by this point in the cycle, even with the previous inclusion of winstrol I will have a lot of SHBG floating around. So I want to use the higher end of the dosing spectrum to combat this. It might be a little overkill, but I don’t think it will be counterproductive. I’m sure the new wife won’t mind;)

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Well a year or two ago I would of said it all looks pretty good except im sure you will find the adex dose to be a bit low. Im also very sure that you likely assume this and plan to adjust the dosage accordingly. That being said I am more fond of a higher dose/shorter duration type cycle.

In recent times I have got past the more is better approach. From what you have laid out there from weeks 2-6 you are more than 2.5 grams per week. I wouldnt think that the overall results would change too much if you dropped some of these dosages.

Im also still surely on the fence regarding pre work out slin. Nothing I personally plan to try in the near future, but thats just an opinion of course.

Looking at adding some igf in for my pct in the next batch of weeks as well as ive read good things about it and anything to help keep gains at that point should help.

If you only plan to run the HGH throughout the cycle run 10iu EOD rather than 4iu 5x/wk. HGH in my opinion in recent times is all a price issue. If you can find it reasonable then add it in. From what I hear some people are paying per iu its just not worth it for most.

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Well a year or two ago I would of said it all looks pretty good except im sure you will find the adex dose to be a bit low. Im also very sure that you likely assume this and plan to adjust the dosage accordingly. That being said I am more fond of a higher dose/shorter duration type cycle.

In recent times I have got past the more is better approach. From what you have laid out there from weeks 2-6 you are more than 2.5 grams per week. I wouldnt think that the overall results would change too much if you dropped some of these dosages.

Im also still surely on the fence regarding pre work out slin. Nothing I personally plan to try in the near future, but thats just an opinion of course.

Looking at adding some igf in for my pct in the next batch of weeks as well as ive read good things about it and anything to help keep gains at that point should help.

If you only plan to run the HGH throughout the cycle run 10iu EOD rather than 4iu 5x/wk. HGH in my opinion in recent times is all a price issue. If you can find it reasonable then add it in. From what I hear some people are paying per iu its just not worth it for most.[/quote]

I originally was thinking .25mg/day adex, but I am not very sensitive to gyno so I thought I could possibly get by with eod. As you guessed I will change that dose depending on the outcome.

As far as the 2.5 grams per week, yeah that is a bit high. I ran almost 2 grams per week last winter and it took its toll on me. I could easily cut the drol and winstrol doses in half. I have only used drol at 50mg/day in the past. I loved it, strength went crazy. I have heard of people using as high as 150mg/day, I’m curious as to how 100/day would feel. It might very well feel like shit. From what I learned from my last bulking cycle it is hell to gain weight when you feel like shit and can’t eat enough. But honestly I think that was from 500mg/week tren which I happily left out this time around. I will seriously consider dropping my doses though.

Thanks for input.

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Man, that’s a lot of gear. That’s close to what I’m considering here shortly, although yours is much more complex than I would probably ever consider. I’m probably looking at 500mg test-e/250mg deca, along with 100mg a-drol for the first four weeks. Easily half of the injectables you’re looking at. Wow.

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That is one monster of a cycle. Gains galore with proper diet and training. I can’t wait to see the log!

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
Brook wrote:
you havent used slin before have you pain? Its just that 12 weeks is too long from everything i have read. Also, if you havent i wouldnt suggest starting with preWO injects. seriously.

where’s bushy or altered? :slight_smile:

I have used slin before. I was trying to work out this slin dosing protocol with Bushys help. At this point I plan on running several oral glucose tests during my use to establish how my insulin sensitivity is being effected. I am hoping that by using no more than 8iu per inject and no more than 3 days per week with metformin on off days I will be able to go the whole 12 weeks without many sides. [/quote]

Fair enough then. fair game mate.

I am thinking of using Humalog later on in my current cycle - as a pre-workout boost, AND first thing in the morning… I am pretty sure with the nutrient partitioning, anabolism and synthesis from the AAS, the slin will increase gains quite a lot for a 4 week cycle of upto 2x/day over 5 days a week. I think it should provide some solid results…

I do know that for the insulin sensitivity benefits metformin is not an acute drug, but a cronic one - so i am not sure if intermittant days a week will give the benefits you look for… It may be an idea to just run the met for 3 months at 850-1500mg after the slin.
Many many people have run 10iu 3x/day 3-4x p/wk for 4 weeks with no real problems… so just keep an eye on your gut, and the glucose tab test is a great idea… maybe get a blood sugar tester?

I am not sure if proviron gives any more benefit at 100mg/day over 50mg/day either, but as you said, it is worth it probably!

As has been mentioned, the doses are fookin high, but i am not aware of your ‘level’ so i didnt really comment… other than the deca - but it could be personal taste to run that at that dose.

Brook

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I ran a cycle similar to this last year… Keep us posted on how your gains are. I am really interested.

bmc

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[quote] Brook wrote:
2thepain wrote:
Brook wrote:
you havent used slin before have you pain? Its just that 12 weeks is too long from everything i have read. Also, if you havent i wouldnt suggest starting with preWO injects. seriously.

where’s bushy or altered? :slight_smile:

I have used slin before. I was trying to work out this slin dosing protocol with Bushys help. At this point I plan on running several oral glucose tests during my use to establish how my insulin sensitivity is being effected. I am hoping that by using no more than 8iu per inject and no more than 3 days per week with metformin on off days I will be able to go the whole 12 weeks without many sides.

Fair enough then. fair game mate.

I am thinking of using Humalog later on in my current cycle - as a pre-workout boost, AND first thing in the morning… I am pretty sure with the nutrient partitioning, anabolism and synthesis from the AAS, the slin will increase gains quite a lot for a 4 week cycle of upto 2x/day over 5 days a week. I think it should provide some solid results…

I do know that for the insulin sensitivity benefits metformin is not an acute drug, but a cronic one - so i am not sure if intermittant days a week will give the benefits you look for… It may be an idea to just run the met for 3 months at 850-1500mg after the slin.
Many many people have run 10iu 3x/day 3-4x p/wk for 4 weeks with no real problems… so just keep an eye on your gut, and the glucose tab test is a great idea… maybe get a blood sugar tester?

I am not sure if proviron gives any more benefit at 100mg/day over 50mg/day either, but as you said, it is worth it probably!

As has been mentioned, the doses are fookin high, but i am not aware of your ‘level’ so i didnt really comment… other than the deca - but it could be personal taste to run that at that dose.

Brook[/quote]

If you decide to use the pre workout slin please make not of it on the original thread or shoot me a PM. I will do a couple weeks of it as kind of an experiment during my stasis period. I bought a blood glucose tester for my first run with insulin and still have a lot of strips left to use. Honestly though I can feel any drop in blood levels and correct them accordingly. I was suprised at how well my body handled the slin during the first run. Howver I was only using PWO injections and for a period of 5 weeks. This protocol will need more attention starting off and all the precautions will be taken.

As for the high doses, the base of my cycle is only 1.5 grams (1 test, .5 deca) for the 10 weeks. When you through in the anadrol and winstrol then it gets crazy. I may instead of dropping the dose just run the orals for 4 weeks instead of 5. I think I should be able to handle that load for a months or so.

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[quote]BMC85 wrote:
I ran a cycle similar to this last year… Keep us posted on how your gains are. I am really interested.

bmc[/quote]

I’m not planning on running a log but I will be happy to bring up this thread and post an update every once in a while.

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Please even if its only a couple times during the cycle. Good luck!

bmc

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I got to ask a question. what is the Metformin used for.

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[quote]jakeman124 wrote:
I got to ask a question. what is the Metformin used for. [/quote]

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Or if youre the type that doesn’t want to stray from this site you can search for the numerous posts that have your question covered.

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Just saying good luck with it. It looks like your most ambitious cycle that I can ever remember reading you post about. Take care to listen to your body as you move forward, and have yourself a great time 2the.

Should be some crazy gains being reported, and hopefully minimal sides the whole way through.

Best,

ToneBone

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Should be some crazy gains being reported, and hopefully minimal sides the whole way through.

Best,

ToneBone[/quote]

My best cycle of the past was test/deca/drol. At smaller doses though, I still expereience my gyno out of it. I believe that the gyno was progesterone related and I’m hoping that adding the winstrol in will take care of that.

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Hard to aruge against the classic trifecta. I’ve never exceeded 750mg a week for test or 450mg a week for deca or anything else. At those doses I still don’t need a AI. As you know the higher dose the more likely the sides