At one point in time, there was at least one dr who promoted dnp. Why is the media on dnp accepted here but the trt protocol by mainstream doctors is not? From what i have heard, if you do dnp correctly you don’t die.
At one point in time, everyone thought testosterone caused prostate cancer. I keep an open mind.
I actually sort of agree with you let me explain.
The whole if you use DNP your gonna die shit is blown way out of proportion. Is it possible absolutely. Just like many other drugs used incorrectly, in excess, accidentally, mis dosed etc.
I dont like making comparisons but for the sake of this argument I will.
Opiates it’s an epidemic right now in the USA tons of people are dieing daily. I used opiates along with other recreational drugs for years when I was younger never had an issue still alive typing this now. And I believe the risk of death for street bought opiates is way higher then the risk of dnp
With that being said DNP is just a nasty drug. It’s not the risk of death that would keep me from using it its what it does to your body. I would gladly pick eca, clen or many other stimulant fat burners over DNP any day. Just reading some guys DNP experiences of feeling completely lethargic sitting at home with fans blowing on them in a puddle of sweat makes me cringe.
It isn’t, acutely taking too much (once) will likely result in death. Used conservatively one probably won’t die (though long term effects regarding organ damage will def reduce lifespan), however with the unregulated market put there the actual dose of DNP per cap can vary wildly, it’s not hard to overdose on DNP (easier than Tylenol)
Tobacco was once also promoted by medical professionals, diacetylmorphine was otc as a cough suppressant, as was methamphetamine. (pep/alertness pill)
We simply didn’t know of the adverse effects, now we know better. DNP to boot is considerably more dangerous acutely (and believe it or not long term) compared to tobacco, modified diacetylmorphine and methamphetamine. The latter two are still prescription medications in certain countries (methamphetamine hydrochloride for severely ADHD as short term treatment, though it’s use is discouraged due to neurotoxic, cardiotoxic and habit forming nature and heroin for end of life cancer pain in numerous countries). Tobacco, despite being unhealthy, is legal, regulated and unless you smoke about a carton of cigarettes within a few hours, fatal nicotine poisoning won’t occur. DNP, due to it’s particularly dangerous mechanism of action has no accepted medical use
Not to say I believe making the substance illicit is the answer. I’m a firm believer in the regulation and taxation of many substances (and those of which harbor too much of a detriment to society decriminalisation would typically be my preferred option), making crack cocaine an over the counter substance for individuals of who aren’t already hooked I personally wouldn’t support etc. If someone wishes to use DNP and is WELL aware of the risks (and mentally capable of making the decision to use) then go for it, however to say the risks of DNP regarding the potential for acute and chronic toxicity are overstated is simply untrue. No one is spouting lies saying you’ll certainly die from use of the agent, however it’s a well known fact that use of the compound is incredibly unsafe.
With the argument “Tylenol is legal and you can die from taking a bottle of that”… yes, you can, however the intended therapeutic doses of Tylenol aren’t typically lethal (however even then, in a select few acetomitophren in therapeutic doses can induce hepatic and renal dysfunction, cause a myriad of complications, so much so that higher dosed acetomitophren is being rescheduled here where I live)
Much like a lot of drugs people use daily.
My point exactly
Absolutely it’s disgusting
As with most potentially fatal drugs
My point is whenever you see a DNP post everyone jumps on saying “omg your gonna die” that’s fear mongering. Chances are if used correctly they won’t die. Instead if repeating death reports maybe educate people on how nasty and poisonous the drug is.
Yes, many of the media reports involving DNP relate to
You reject the basis of scientific inquiry and the compounding effect of knowledge accumulation. You do not, in even the most charitable definition of the term, keep an open mind.
You’re full of carbs . My open mind is that i will not bash the OP for using a drug he has used before based off media reports. If he knows what he is doing and knows his source, you can play it safe. I’m also okay with him killing himself without judgement.
A lot of people consuming the wrong info is dangerous.
Or based off of, you know, an elementary understanding physiology and organic chemistry. Potato potato.
I wouldn’t call it the wrong Info. DNP is dangerous it’s essentially poison. It’s a nasty drug that does was its supposed to do and does it well.
My only issue was with the constant “your gonna die if you use it”
It’s all media. I didn’t say news media. Media is all in compassing. Reports, published studies, all included.
I wasn’t referring to info on dnp specifically in that statement. The statement is that one study can fuel a lot of mis-information. Sort of like the study on prostate cancer and testosterone from the 40’s. Dr’s still today believe that study.
I read about dnp, researched it a little. And decided that I don’t want to take that risk.
So an all “in compassing” [sic] gathering of data, which is based on…any ideas? Yeah, elementary understanding of physiology and chemistry. Again, you don’t believe in science so much as you believe in the unbreakable power that comes from n of 1 experiments. That’s fine, it’s a free country. But don’t act like what you’re doing is anything more than a worn out, boring version of what crazy anti-vaxer chics in Chatsworth come up with when they say, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, “I know what I know”.
My whole thing was why is everyone so quick to jump on the dnp is death bandwagon. The OP posting is proof that it is not a death sentence.
I don’t think anyone thinks it’s a death sentence. Saying “this stuff is dangerous, be careful” is not the same as calling it a death sentence. You’re arguing against a straw man. People come here for advice and ideas. It’s prudent advice to tell a stranger that something is risky and they should be very careful with how they engage said risk.
The first 6 responses basically all say death to the user.
There is no be careful bro.
I am a carbohydrate
Sorry i never responded to you. You never came across as a smart ass. You come across as a 42 year old researcher. If you are truly 18, i want to know how you spend your days and what led you to research these topics in depth.
Even your responses seem like a grown educated man’s response vs an 18 yo. When i was 18, i carried a gun and did bad things.
No, they say “this stuff is dangerous, people die using it”. It’s sort of implied that from such statements one could surmise that a responsible user would do more research before pulling the trigger.
I spend my days at school, at gym, hanging out with friends (listening to music, playing guitar, going to the city, trying to pick up girls, smoking weed every now and then), normal teenage activities. I put aside time for me to research things during my downtime.
I researched these topics in depth once diagnosed with hypogonadism (however I always had some semblance of a grasp regarding medicine and pharmacy given many members of my family are medical professionals… that and the chronic pain I suffer from had me conduct a great deal of research regarding medicine and medical ailments at a young age)
Given my particular ideologies and thought patterns, it’s sometimes difficult for me to get along with members of my age cohort, however I have a select group of friends who accept me for who I am and rather than distance themselves from me, thinking I’m strange, they put up with and somewhat support my various eccentricities (hard to find friends like that but I’m glad I did). There are times I feel very out of place, which I’m sure will even out as I get older and enter university, meeting individuals with similar characteristics to me. I find that I still very much enjoy the teenage experience however (partying, going out etc), and I’ve found ways to stifle certain aspects of myself when out as to corporate/ coexist positively with my age demographic.
We don’t have too many kids carrying guns here, when I lived in the US I knew a few kids who carried guns and did “bad things” as you’d specified, primarily gang related activity, involved in shootings and whatnot. While I didn’t mind talking to them, I tended to keep my distance as I wasn’t particularly fond of them or their complete disregard for human life. Here in Aus we have similar kids, however they typically carry knives or go around in groups mugging and/or assaulting helpless bystanders/individuals. One of my friends was beaten up horrendously by one of these groups, had his face bashed in and ended up in hospital (random, unprovoked attack too)