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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

What other disabilities are deserving of death? people with body wasting diseases? Down syndrome?

Who the hell are you to decide if it’s better for someone else’s child to be dead?
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Talk about a straw man , we were talking about a corpse that was never alive except as a sperm and part of it’s host (mother) Nature can dictate who lives and dies . As far as the Mother goes , as long as that life can not be separated from the mother , it’s life is at the mother’s discretion [/quote]

That isn’t at all what was being discussed. We were discussing the opinion that children born with a specific disability didn’t deserve to be kept alive even when medically possible. Especially when posed as a question, it certainly isn’t a straw man. Try to keep up.[/quote]

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Why is this different than if the mother births the baby and the baby is “defective”? Should she be able to terminate the pregnancy then. Why does that 5 minute difference really matter? Is the life somehow less viable? And if say it doesn’t then at what point does it start mattering? You have just fallen into the trap of all Pro-choicers. They like to draw arbitrary lines in the sand based off their own personal morals while totally ignoring anything to do with logic or science, and considering they are typically also the anti-religious crowd for that very reason, is very ironic.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait.

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

Who decides what is “defective?” [/quote]

One thing is for certain , not a bunch of Zealots that think it is OK for some one of a chosen religion to force their views on others such as in the hobby lobby and other cases

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

“I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort .” Unreal…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

Who decides what is “defective?” [/quote]

One thing is for certain , not a bunch of Zealots that think it is OK for some one of a chosen religion to force their views on others such as in the hobby lobby and other cases
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Please enlighten me how Hobby Lobby forced their views on anyone? Because the last I checked they never forced anyone to work for them. It is in fact the opposite. Zealots trying to force their ideals on Hobby Lobby.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
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But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?

Here is your problem Pitt, you don’t argue with logic, merely feeling. Feelings are inherently illogical and should be left out of policy. Without arguing on feeling then you have no argument. You cant make a single point without talking about your opinion. An opinion that lacks any fact to back it up and when asked to produce facts they are torn to shreds or more often than not used to poke holes in the very opinion you were using them to justify.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
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But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
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The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
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But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
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The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
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Its convenient that using that mark creates a fuzzy line. So by that logic, a baby should be forcibly birthed then treated to see if they are a viable life. If you feel the need to take measures to ensure that the life ceases then you are obviously recognizing that life does in fact exist.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
[/quote]

But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
[/quote]

The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
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I heard my son’s heart beat for the first time at about 10 weeks. The internet tells me the heart starts beating 2-3 weeks after conception. Viability is yet another non-sense argument based on semantics.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
[/quote]

But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
[/quote]

The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
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I heard my son’s heart beat for the first time at about 10 weeks. The internet tells me the heart starts beating 2-3 weeks after conception. Viability is yet another non-sense argument based on semantics. [/quote]

OK , I get you really care about the life of children

where is your outrage???

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

“I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort .” Unreal… [/quote]

Not even defective , just unwanted is adequate

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
[/quote]

But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
[/quote]

The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
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that works for me:)

The funny thing about defunding PPH is they are the largest outlet of Contraception , there is no better way to mitigate abortions other than preventing the pregnancy . This is the part where I see just like Beans says (MY TEAM) mentality , no rational thought process

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
[/quote]

But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
[/quote]

The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
[/quote]

that works for me:)

The funny thing about defunding PPH is they are the largest outlet of Contraception , there is no better way to mitigate abortions other than preventing the pregnancy . This is the part where I see just like Beans says (MY TEAM) mentality , no rational thought process [/quote]

You are aware that you even come close to forming a rational thought regarding why abortions should be legal by their current means since you entered this argument, aren’t you?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Not even defective , just unwanted is adequate

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Evil at its worst.

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Also you cant in one breath talk about Hobby Lobby trying to not be forced in to providing contraception by the government, and in the next mention how you are not for the government regulating reproduction. Well I suppose you can but you look like an idiot for not recognizing the double standard.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
[/quote]

Who decides what is “defective?” If the child is missing some fingers is it defective? If a mother is pregnant with twins but can only afford to care for one, should she be able to kill the other twin? If you want to have a boy, but are pregnant with a girl, is it defective?

I’d like to know where this imaginary “defective” line sits. I wouldn’t want to pressure my wife into birthing a ginger if indeed that is a defective trait. [/quote]

Yes , I do not even think the child zygote has to be defective , if the mother can not afford a new member to the family then it is her prerogative to abort .

Ultimately it is the mothers choice , she has to care for it, pay for it and it takes it’s toll on her body .

I am all for keeping the Government out of regulating vaginas
[/quote]

But at what point does it become murder in your eyes to abort? As long as its in their vagina is the baby fair game for a doctor?
[/quote]

The generally accepted point is when its viable to survive outside the womb. 20-24 weeks is the grey area on this from what I’ve heard but most abortions are before this period so it doesn’t matter too much.
[/quote]

Its convenient that using that mark creates a fuzzy line. So by that logic, a baby should be forcibly birthed then treated to see if they are a viable life. If you feel the need to take measures to ensure that the life ceases then you are obviously recognizing that life does in fact exist.
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I said there is a fuzzy line but most abortions are BEFORE that period so checking if its a viable life is unnecessary since we already know the answer.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

What other disabilities are deserving of death? people with body wasting diseases? Down syndrome?

Who the hell are you to decide if it’s better for someone else’s child to be dead?
[/quote]

Talk about a straw man , we were talking about a corpse that was never alive except as a sperm and part of it’s host (mother) Nature can dictate who lives and dies . As far as the Mother goes , as long as that life can not be separated from the mother , it’s life is at the mother’s discretion [/quote]

That isn’t at all what was being discussed. We were discussing the opinion that children born with a specific disability didn’t deserve to be kept alive even when medically possible. Especially when posed as a question, it certainly isn’t a straw man. Try to keep up.[/quote]

You will have to excuse me , I did not hear any one say children with special needs didn’t deserve to live .

I will say IMO if a mother knows knows the baby is defective , it is the mothers option to abort . And if you disagree you should have to render care and support
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Fuck off man. You are the definition of evil. Literally, the founders of the Nazi eugenics program would be proud. Thank you for helping me remember that ignorance can be active evil. Remember that I completely seriously consider you DEFECTIVE as a human. And that by your own logic there should be no consequences for someone murdering you. Be immensely glad that people like me, unlike you, value human life despite your defect. You are now blocked.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Fuck off man. You are the definition of evil. Literally, the founders of the Nazi eugenics program would be proud. Thank you for helping me remember that ignorance can be active evil. Remember that I completely seriously consider you DEFECTIVE as a human. And that by your own logic there should be no consequences for someone murdering you. Be immensely glad that people like me, unlike you, value human life despite your defect. You are now blocked. [/quote]

Bite me bitch:) you are the definition of hypocrisy and ignorance ,