I spent more than a few days there. I’ve been back and forth, albeit sans wife, many times over the years. It’s always the same. The mistake that many westerners make - mostly the self-loathing liberals who are always the most vocal - is to project our (western) values on Arab/Muslims. [/quote]
Exactly. For ex, being nice to most ME folks means that you are weak and not to be taken seriously. If you bluster and threaten, well then, you are a true player!
At least the Chinese have a semblance of rationality. Wish they had the oil instead of those ME whackjobs.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.
And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
I’m just saying ! ? ! ?[/quote]
So THAT’S why you hate us so…you’re actually stupid enough to get your opinions from French movies.
In our movies, btw, Belgians are always people that need to be liberated.
[quote]DS 007 wrote:
NEGATIVE MEDIA ATTITUDE SINCE 9/11? Please tell me: What kind of POSITIVE attitude should the media be taking with respect to Arabs and 9/11? What’s the feel-good spin they’re missing on that one?[/quote]
No matter what position you take on 9/11, the successful operation of 9/11 rests SOLELY on the US government.
Conspiracy theories aside, people give an awful lot of credit to Muslim terrorists for pulling off 9/11. The reality of 9/11 was a monumental failure of epic proportions by the government combined with an UNBELIEVABLE number of coincidences – not the sheer cunning of terrorists.
And EVERY terror plot since 9/11 has been overly hyped to downright FABRICATED strictly for political purposes.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.
And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
I’m just saying ! ? ! ?[/quote]
Sounds like a bunch of children making fun of their betters.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.
And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.[/quote]
The French hate us? Say it ain’t so!
Well, you know what they say… the best revenge is success!
[quote]John S. wrote:
So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.[/quote]
Racism or fact? Jews are a MINORITY. Do you think its a good idea to have ANY minority that represents less than 3% of the population to have a MAJORITY voice in the media and politics?
Especially when an even a smaller portion of the original minority has more of an interest in a foreign country than our own United States because of their ideology?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
John S. wrote:
So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.
Racism or fact? Jews are a MINORITY. Do you think its a good idea to have ANY minority that represents less than 3% of the population to have a MAJORITY voice in the media and politics?
Especially when an even a smaller portion of the original minority has more of an interest in a foreign country than our own United States because of their ideology?[/quote]
So because they are a minority they can’t hold power? What should only people who are white run everything? You sir are a joke.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.
And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
I’m just saying ! ? ! ?
So THAT’S why you hate us so…you’re actually stupid enough to get your opinions from French movies.
In our movies, btw, Belgians are always people that need to be liberated.[/quote]
[quote]John S. wrote:
So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.[/quote]
Personally, I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at that. And if you carefully read my posts, you’d see that I never complained about Jews having a lot of influence on the media.
What I am mad at, is people like DS007, Hedo or the others that make generalizations about Arab/Muslim culture based on very little. I mean, how stupid do you have to be to judge a billion and a half people based on movies or the six o’clock news?
I am against corporate media in general, be they owned by Jews, Christians, or Muslims.
?The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.? – Malcolm X.
[quote]John S. wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
John S. wrote:
So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.
Racism or fact? Jews are a MINORITY. Do you think its a good idea to have ANY minority that represents less than 3% of the population to have a MAJORITY voice in the media and politics?
Especially when an even a smaller portion of the original minority has more of an interest in a foreign country than our own United States because of their ideology?
So because they are a minority they can’t hold power? What should only people who are white run everything? You sir are a joke.
[/quote]
So what your saying is you would be perfectly OK if say for example Scientologists were controlling the message and steering our foreign policy?
[quote]lixy wrote:
John S. wrote:
So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.
Personally, I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at that. And if you carefully read my posts, you’d see that I never complained about Jews having a lot of influence on the media.
What I am mad at, is people like DS007, Hedo or the others that make generalizations about Arab/Muslim culture based on very little. I mean, how stupid do you have to be to judge a billion and a half people based on movies or the six o’clock news?
I am against corporate media in general, be they owned by Jews, Christians, or Muslims.
?The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.? – Malcolm X.[/quote]
In the real world I’ve probably spent more time in the ME then you have. People are what they are. Keep up the deflection, hey it’s your internet fantasy world. You are amusing though…always good for a chuckle.
Why do you think I dislike Arabs and Muslims? Because I criticize their negative actions? Are you that childish? Don’t project your bigotry on me kid. Simply because you choose ignore the world your brothers have created is your issue to be ashamed of and nobody else’s.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
How many movies can you think of where the hero (or otherwise “good guys”) was/were Arab? Especially in a movie that did not have other Arabs as the “bad guy(s)”?
I’m not a big movie buff, so I cant really think of any.
But I can certainly think of movies that have made whites, blacks, Native Americans, and Asians the “good guy” (while not also making other the bad guys).[/quote]
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
How many movies can you think of where the hero (or otherwise “good guys”) was/were Arab? Especially in a movie that did not have other Arabs as the “bad guy(s)”?
I’m not a big movie buff, so I cant really think of any.
But I can certainly think of movies that have made whites, blacks, Native Americans, and Asians the “good guy” (while not also making other the bad guys).[/quote]
I will continue to find it odd that Lixy points fingers at the US, all the while, following the most widespread oppressive, brutal, and ignorant religion currently practiced today. Yeah, I said it. That doesn’t apply to all of it’s faithful, obviously. I’ve seen some brave muslims point out what the real problems in the Mid-East are.
I am sick and tired of you whining about the US while downplaying the greater role Islam has in screwing over the middle east and other regions.
Yeah, and the US lampooning is getting old. Especially in the face of such huge double standars.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.
And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
I’m just saying ! ? ! ?[/quote]
So what are you saying? Prejudice, arrogance and stupidity are more prevelant in Europe than previously thought? We don’t get many European films because on the greater whole, they suck.
I am pretty sure this is more than likely wishful thinking on your part.
[quote]lixy wrote:
The appaling gap between the haves and have-nots?[/quote]
off-topic:
This particular little nugget gets tossed around in the politics forum, but it is such a load of horseshit.
90% of people that I come across in everyday life are neither poor, nor rich.
90% of people that I see every single day are in what I would call the middle-class.
Judging from what I have seen and experienced, 90% of Americans are not so poor that they have to struggle to find basic shelter and bare-minimum food, yet not so rich that money is no object.
In my experience, 90% of people fall into the ‘Middle-Class’, yet some posters in this forum continually bemoan the “growing divide between the rich and poor”, and the “vanishing middle-class”.
Americans spend every cent - and more
Before the current streak of negative rates started in April 2005, only one month on record back to the late 1940s had a negative savings rate.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I will continue to find it odd that Lixy continues to point fingers at the US.
All the while, following the most widespread oppressive, brutal, and ignorant religion currently practiced today. Yeah, I said it. [/quote]
K…at least, we know where you stand now.
What good do you think can come of demonizing Islam? I’ll tell you. It only helps the radical Islamists and validates their claim that the war in Iraq is nothing short of a crusade. Heck, the official name the Pentagon first gave to the war on Afghanistan was crusadal.
What’s your point? That Malcolm X isn’t worth quoting? That you don’t understand why some people might like reading/watching the Boondocks?
I don’t get it.
I concurred with the OP on the existing media bias towards the Arab culture. Some fueled up person threw in derogatory remarks about how he disliked his stay in an Arab country and I replied by pointing out that no country is flawless, and that crime, sexual deviance, and xenophobia can be found anywhere. That’s not lampooning, that’s relativizing.
