Planet of The Arabs

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
What a bunch of crap. Like there have not been white, black, American Indian, Asian other villians in movies.

You clowns make me sick.[/quote]

How many movies can you think of where the hero (or otherwise “good guys”) was/were Arab? Especially in a movie that did not have other Arabs as the “bad guy(s)”?

I’m not a big movie buff, so I cant really think of any.

But I can certainly think of movies that have made whites, blacks, Native Americans, and Asians the “good guy” (while not also making other the bad guys).

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
How many movies can you think of where the hero (or otherwise “good guys”) was/were Arab? Especially in a movie that did not have other Arabs as the “bad guy(s)”?
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It isn’t a movie, but “Lost.”

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
How many movies can you think of where the hero (or otherwise “good guys”) was/were Arab? Especially in a movie that did not have other Arabs as the “bad guy(s)”?

It isn’t a movie, but “Lost.”[/quote]

Hm, I guess “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” would be another one.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hm, I guess “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” would be another one. [/quote]

Surely you can recognize that Sayid is a leader and very positive force in a mainstream drama that emphasizes the moral and psychological ramifications of extreme conditions?

Rather than just a light comedy with a cult following?

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hm, I guess “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” would be another one.

Surely you can recognize that Sayid is a leader and very positive force in a mainstream drama that emphasizes the moral and psychological ramifications of extreme conditions?

Rather than just a light comedy with a cult following?[/quote]

Um, sure. Actually, I never really watched the movie that closely… I saw a few scenes when I was hanging out with this girl. Needless to say, I was more focused on the girl than the movie.

I wasn’t putting that movie down, I was just saying its an example of an Arab character being shown in a positive light.

I think my original point to Zap was to address the point of the colab: That the overwhelming majority of Arab characters are some level of bad (either evil or stupid, etc). I thought maybe asking the reverse would challenge such an idea.

Perhaps we can think of plenty of movies/tv shows/etc that portray Arabs positively.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What a bunch of crap. Like there have not been white, black, American Indian, Asian other villians in movies.

Not Jews though.

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They have never been portrayed as greedy or christ killers or anything negative.

Most don’t hardly give a shit if people call them Christ killers for obvious reasons.

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Sure, because the Italians did it.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sure, because the Italians did it.[/quote]

Boy, don’t they have egg on their faces now!

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
At any rate, these aren’t government funded films. The price for living in a free society is ugliness, in many cases. So it is up to someone, anyone, to create works that make the stereotype irrelevant… rather than trying to justify the people those stereotypes do represent or trying to self-consciously invalidate them.[/quote]

Good point. That’s the exact same argument that says that if Jews have overwhelming power on the US government, nobody’s stopping other groups from acquiring a similar status. It’s the usual “American dream” myth that we’re all equal before the system. It works in theory, but practice is another story…

But let’s leave that aside and concentrate on the case of Hollywood. How much would you say the ratio of Jews to Arabs is in that particular industry? Jews realized very early on the power of the media (back when Arabs lands were all under occupation). That head-start is what translates into the current media bias in the anglosaxon world.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
What was your first exposure to Arab culture? A Bugs Bunny cartoon perhaps?

Molding of the minds of the masses. Extremely eye opening…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-600397827976179049[/quote]

Well, my first exposure to Allah’s most pure Arab culture was a two month stay in the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia). I was there - along with my wife - at the invitation of a Saudi Prince to work on a team (of mostly westerners) installing a communications network.

We lived in a compound and our movements in and out of that compound were constantly observed and, when necessary, controlled. For instance, my wife was made to parade in front of the guards to ensure that her dress was appropriate for public display. Once when she was allowed to wander to a market with her calves exposed (and exception for non-Muslim women) two men trailed behind her much of her trip, masterbating merrily all the while.

She was spat upon too many times to count. We witnessed average everyday Arabs beating their mostly Philipino servants with sticks or their bare hands when no weapons were handy. They had good, humanitarian intentions, though.

All-in-all a wonderful culture. Lots of lying and stealing. Barbarous treatment of women and kids. Public executions and maimings. You pathetic shlubs who have never been exposed to Arab culture for long periods of time and come to this board to defend them…hilarious to me. Please continue!

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[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What a bunch of crap. Like there have not been white, black, American Indian, Asian other villians in movies.

You clowns make me sick.

Exactly, and they have all been discrimated against in one way or another. Arabs more in the past few years due to negative media attitude since 9/11.

As for Oklahoma… read Zap’s post… please.
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NEGATIVE MEDIA ATTITUDE SINCE 9/11? Please tell me: What kind of POSITIVE attitude should the media be taking with respect to Arabs and 9/11? What’s the feel-good spin they’re missing on that one?

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[quote]lixy wrote:

But let’s leave that aside and concentrate on the case of Hollywood. How much would you say the ratio of Jews to Arabs is in that particular industry? Jews realized very early on the power of the media (back when Arabs lands were all under occupation). That head-start is what translates into the current media bias in the anglosaxon world.[/quote]

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

And, to be clear, what do you mean exactly when you say ‘the Anglosaxon world’? English speakers? Caucasians? White People? Just so I know who’s in league with the Jews to oppress the Arabic people’s aspirations of a positive media image.

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[quote]DS 007 wrote:
We lived in a compound and our movements in and out of that compound were constantly observed and, when necessary, controlled. For instance, my wife was made to parade in front of the guards to ensure that her dress was appropriate for public display. Once when she was allowed to wander to a market with her calves exposed (and exception for non-Muslim women) two men trailed behind her much of her trip, masterbating merrily all the while.
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Yeah, sorry about that. Those weren’t muslims, it was me and another Marine disguised as arabs. She’s hot, what can I say?

mike

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[quote]DS 007 wrote:
You pathetic shlubs who have never been exposed to Arab culture for long periods of time and come to this board to defend them…hilarious to me. Please continue![/quote]

It’s a fact that I know the Arab culture better than you. I am Arab, have been raised as such, spent more than a quarter of a century in that culture, and visited most Arab countries. As such, I think my comments have more weight than yours in this regard. You judge a LOT of people based on the few days you spent in ONE country.

I have numerous acquaintances who suffered MUCH MORE than what you describe because they went to the US after 9/11. They got insulted, beat up, held by the authorities without charge and all the royal treatment reserved to Arabs or Muslims.

Need I go into the daily gun-shootings in your culture? The appaling gap between the haves and have-nots? The degradation of the society?

That said, you’ll never hear me defend the state of affairs in Saudi Arabia though.

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[quote]DS 007 wrote:
All-in-all a wonderful culture. Lots of lying and stealing. Barbarous treatment of women and kids. Public executions and maimings. You pathetic shlubs who have never been exposed to Arab culture for long periods of time and come to this board to defend them…hilarious to me. Please continue![/quote]

Wow, could this be the first thread to pick on Arabs and not Islam in general? I think we’re growing, people.

So your generalizations are purely of wealthy Arabs that have access to unlimited power? Would you say this behavior is inclusive of the entire race of Arabs or just Saudi royalty?

BTW, this is why the US gets a bad rap in the ME. Do we really want the Saudis as allies?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
DS 007 wrote:
You pathetic shlubs who have never been exposed to Arab culture for long periods of time and come to this board to defend them…hilarious to me. Please continue!

It’s a fact that I know the Arab culture better than you. I am Arab, have been raised as such, spent more than a quarter of a century in that culture, and visited most Arab countries. As such, I think my comments have more weight than yours in this regard. You judge a LOT of people based on the few days you spent in ONE country.

I have numerous acquaintances who suffered MUCH MORE than what you describe because they went to the US after 9/11. They got insulted, beat up, held by the authorities without charge and all the royal treatment reserved to Arabs or Muslims.

Need I go into the daily gun-shootings in your culture? The appaling gap between the haves and have-nots? The degradation of the society?

That said, you’ll never hear me defend the state of affairs in Saudi Arabia though.[/quote]

Are you shitting me? Tell me you’re shitting me? Please go INTO the daily ‘gun shootings’ in my culture. Help me to understand. Do you know how many people that I personally KNOW who have been shot? ZERO. But everyone you know that comes to America get’s shot, huh?

And that have and have-not gap you are so familiar with? The have-NOTs in the USA - as a general rule - have a helluva lot MORE than a lot of the HAVEs in the UK, Europe, etc.

I’ll need more information to understand what you consider the ‘degradation’ of our society. That’s part of living in an open and free society. You can’t toss out what you view to be the bad (i.e. the degradation) and keep what constitutes - in your view - the bad. When you do that you cater to one person’s idea of right and wrong, good a bad.

I spent more than a few days there. I’ve been back and forth, albeit sans wife, many times over the years. It’s always the same. The mistake that many westerners make - mostly the self-loathing liberals who are always the most vocal - is to project our (western) values on Arab/Muslims.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me. [/quote]

Because…?

The usual suspects, that is the US, Britain, and Australia.

I state that there are a lot more Jews in Hollywood than Arabs, and you manage to twist that into a conspiracy theory.

Are you questioning the fact that Jews have a lot more weight on the media in the US/UK/Australia than Arabs? Where in my post did you get the impression that I implied anyone was “in league” with the Jews to “oppress the Arabic people”?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
DS 007 wrote:
All-in-all a wonderful culture. Lots of lying and stealing. Barbarous treatment of women and kids. Public executions and maimings. You pathetic shlubs who have never been exposed to Arab culture for long periods of time and come to this board to defend them…hilarious to me. Please continue!

Wow, could this be the first thread to pick on Arabs and not Islam in general? I think we’re growing, people.

So your generalizations are purely of wealthy Arabs that have access to unlimited power? Would you say this behavior is inclusive of the entire race of Arabs or just Saudi royalty?

BTW, this is why the US gets a bad rap in the ME. Do we really want the Saudis as allies?[/quote]

I’m not sure I paid much attention to Islam while I was there. Pre-9/11. Since the whole ‘Muslim’ thing has been the thing. For me, it was always ‘Arab’ culture that I found barbaric and backward. The religion was peripheral to that, I think.

It was not in the name of ‘Allah’ that most Arab’s I met treated me, my associates and each other like shit. It’s just who they were/are.

I judge everyone as an individual. At least I try to do that. But with a few rare exceptions I get pretty much the same deal for most of the Arabs I’ve met.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
No more than the pipe is just your imagination.

I wonder how many Chuck Norris films Mitt Romney has seen let alone wholly base his political ideology on.

Funny that you morons don’t see the idiocy of having quoted the “We deal in Illusions” speech in a Youtube video. Keep doing your best to prove the association between Muslims and violence isn’t fiction.[/quote]

The Iraq Effect: War Has Increased Terrorism Sevenfold Worldwide

In order to zero in on The Iraq Effect, we focused on the rate of terrorist attacks in two time periods: September 12, 2001, to March 20, 2003 (the day of the Iraq invasion), and March 21, 2003, to September 30, 2006. Extending the data set before 9/11 would risk distorting the results…

Our study yields one resounding finding: The rate of terrorist attacks around the world by jihadist groups and the rate of fatalities in those attacks increased dramatically after the invasion of Iraq.

Globally there was a 607 percent rise in the average yearly incidence of attacks (28.3 attacks per year before and 199.8 after) and a 237 percent rise in the average fatality rate (from 501 to 1,689 deaths per year).

A large part of this rise occurred in Iraq, which accounts for fully half of the global total of jihadist terrorist attacks in the post-Iraq War period. But even excluding Iraq, the average yearly number of jihadist terrorist attacks and resulting fatalities still rose sharply around the world by 265 percent and 58 percent respectively.

And even when attacks in both Afghanistan and Iraq (the two countries that together account for 80 percent of attacks and 67 percent of deaths since the invasion of Iraq) are excluded, there has still been a significant rise in jihadist terrorism elsewhere - a 35 percent increase in the number of jihadist terrorist attacks outside of Afghanistan and Iraq, from 27.6 to 37 a year, with a 12 percent rise in fatalities from 496 to 554 per year…

Our study shows just how counterproductive the Iraq War has been to the war on terrorism…
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022707D.shtml

So aside from the fact that the “war on terror” is CREATING more “Muslim” terrorists – outside of Iraq, “554 fatalities per year” is part of a sevenfold increase in jihadist terrorism. WORLDWIDE.

With roughly 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide, this “association between Muslims and violence” kills half as many people as lightning.

But the funniest freakin’ thing is when comparing Jews and Arab Muslims, you guys laugh at the notion that Zionist Jews might actually have a larger world agenda, despite 100 years of warnings straight from some of the most influential people of the past century, while simultaneously being scared shitless that Muslims want to take over the world.

The group that is ACTUALLY in a position to control world events through media and political control, has you convinced that Muslims have a grand vision of global domination.

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I’ll let you in on a little secret. In European movies (French movies especially) any American is always an arrogant, stupid fuck.

And he alsways speaks with a slur and is wearing a cowboy hat and boots.

I’m just saying ! ? ! ?

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So, You guys are mad mad that Jews are in the media? Im pretty sure someone from every race and religion is in the media some how. So the Jewish people have more pull then the others so what? Would you complain if it was the Muslims who had more controll? The only thing im seeing is racism towards the Jewish people.