Yep. And some LGBTQ groups define sexual assault as using the wrong pronoun or being called a name. So, questionable. The many cases of “transgender women” or “non-binaries” committing assault against women is a little more cut and dried, even when the schools try to cover it up.
You’re probably right on that from the little I’ve seen. My post was more along the lines of some trans women (the ones that look like women and in some cases attractive women) will have have high rates of assault against them in the men’s room. I don’t think we should completely ignore that. I also don’t think we should bend over backwards to accommodate trans people. I see bathroom as different than locker room for example. I think privileges should be revoked if behavior is poor as well.
I agree with you here. It does still occur. Even if we go with something like regular assault, trans women have high rates of being victims. There are police reports for those.
Probably not.
I think women in general engage in intimate partner violence at higher rates than men. It gets a pass socially. Probably because it isn’t very often physically damaging. Lesbian couples have very high divorce rates too (IIRC, about double the gay marriage divorce rate).
Post one actual case.
Are we going to argue about what might happen or what happens almost daily?
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It is not ok to allow boys or men to be raped by anyone
the idea to allow them to use the ladies rest room or ladies locker room and making the women or girls uncomfortable or unsafe is not the resolution to that problem
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I am flooded with articles of trans women getting attacked by men for using the women’s room. I will concede that I can’t find a case involving men’s rooms, because I am not going to sift through all the articles.
Anyways I am out.
This is a different context than your presumption that trans men would be attacked for using men’s rooms though.
I would not attack a man for using a men’s room I’m in regardless of what he is wearing.
I will not accept a man entering a restroom with my daughter and/or wife. I would not hesitate to use force to prevent it.
So, while this is a scenario of men attacking trans men vs. trans men attacking women, application of context matters.
That’s exactly it. Force people into dangerous situations, bar any entity but the federal government from fixing the problems it created…Voila! We need more government intervention!
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Just to clarify, my presumption was that trans women would be attacked / or harassed if forced to use the men’s room. I could not find much on that through google. I don’t know if it’s because it doesn’t happen much, or if it is because I was flooded with articles of either trans women getting beaten up by men for using the women’s bathroom, or trans men getting beaten up for using the women’s bathroom.
I am out on this though.
I didn’t confuse the two here, thanks for the reminder. I interpreted your “should” statement to be linked to something other than profits
I don’t know or even believe it to be the actual case, I was simply working within the parameters of a hypothetical I read
You seemed to have said that reality is one thing and peoples feelings are another, and that your point was that feelings should be accommodated regardless of the reality.
It seemed a bit more snowflakey and feminist than what I would usually expect from you. I noticed you didn’t actually say that businesses should do the accommodating but that was how I interpreted it. Maybe you thought the government should, or God should, I dunno. Now you’re saying businesses should, for profits - OK, that makes sense.
But if profits were the ultimate goal, one bathroom for all would sure save a lot of money.
That Pandora’s Box has already been opened regardless of which restroom Blaire chooses to use.
Expecting anybody or everybody to keep track of Blaire’s gender/sexuality would be like opening another Pandora’s Box all over again.
He or she looks like a female, should proof of gender/sexuality be required for all to use the women’s room?
A man that wanted to be a woman and decided to go for it would probably just use the woman’s room anyways.
A failure to meet your request wouldn’t be good evidence that policy should change. I would expect more cases as you described to pop up after a policy change that forced them to use the men’s room.
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It’s illegal to drink and drive, and often times you can’t tell a drunk driver is behind the wheel unless you pull them over and breathalyze them. Should we just say fuck it and drop laws preventing drinking and driving?
As an aside, it’s much easier to decipher a tranny from a female than it is to determine how much alcohol a driver has had in most cases. Even the tranny in question is very obviously male if you look him up.
And given the topic is about a trans male exposing himself in a locker room, I would say the penis is a dead giveaway.
So you’re not talking about prevention but instead making it law for punishment?
I think it should be something like wearing a seatbelt. In some states a police officer can’t write a ticket for it unless he has a different reason for pulling someone over in the first place. That makes sense
But you said
I was saying preventing would be much more difficult than allowing.
No, difficulty in consistent enforceability is only one of many factors that I would like considered in making laws. Another one is benefit. In this case sexual assault is already illegal while accidentally crashing cars isn’t
I’m not interested in changing the context.
Typically a broken rule or law is addressed after the fact. While I don’t think it would be difficult to determine who is a tranny and who isn’t in the vast majority of cases, I do agree stationing a screener at every public bathroom or locker room would be impractical.
In keeping with the logic of enforcing rule and/or law, I absolutely believe that should a man in a dress enter a woman’s restroom or locker room, a reactive response enforcing gender separation should be implemented. FTR, I don’t agree with random traffic checks but am totally fine with enforcing DUI laws when a violating driver is encountered, and allowing the ensuing situation to be a specter
What? Feelings are real. Emotional trauma is real. If a young girl is traumatized by seeing a naked man in the bathroom, that trauma is real. If a woman who was raped relives that trauma when seeing a man in a female’s locker room, that is real. The subversion of reality because of feelings is a man claiming to be a woman. The irony is that transwomen want to be in a penis free space but hold it against women when they want the same.
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Not exactly the gentleman thing to do to have the women solve the problem and deal with the consequences. But I suppose that is just one of the perils of equal rights for women.
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Just came across this
Fair enough, I can agree with that. You asked me a question so I will answer.
A person can feel safe in situations that are more dangerous and feel unsafe in situations that are less dangerous.
It seemed that you were saying people’s feelings of unsafety should be accommodated without considering actual degrees of safety.
That would be a subversion of reality, but I don’t consider it to be the only.
Thank you for your service in the military, and thanks serving in such a thankless profession.
From the east coast, but was an athlete at Wash U in the late 90’s, and St. Louis was a pretty decent place back then. Used to run from campus to the arch and back (yes, I was that kind of “athlete”), and used to party at a place called “Stagez” in E. St. Louis, and even that didn’t feel totally unsafe, though there was a murder or two in the parking lot, lol.
Stayed in Chesterfield a year or so ago - Wash U, the Loop and the Central West End still looked OK, but much of the city has changed… and it ain’t for the better. I also have a feeling that Wash U would be just a tad too woke for my tastes these days…
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Interesting stats… i havent had need for a commercial gym for years. But what im hearing via the grape vine that the gym environment is getting awkward from what im understanding. Where the actual males are feeling uncomfortable? Or is that been blown out of proportion?