Planet Fitness Lawsuit

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:
oh wow are you Dark ninjas other account? Same lack of reading skills.

I responded to a guy who says the world is overpopulated and we should let them die because they’re fat/lazy.[/quote]
Do you ever wonder why you’re universally regarded as a troll? People see “harrypotter” appear as the last poster in a thread, and they immediately click on it to see what stupid shit you’re up to this time. I’m confused as to why you still respond to people as though they’re going to take you seriously.

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If she was pronounced dead at the scene 20 minutes after the call, I highly doubt that there would have been much that anyone could have done for her. As sad as it is, this is just parents looking for someone to blame when it is just something that no one probably could have prevented.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
If she was pronounced dead at the scene 20 minutes after the call, I highly doubt that there would have been much that anyone could have done for her. As sad as it is, this is just parents looking for someone to blame when it is just something that no one probably could have prevented. [/quote]

Agreed.

It will ruin things for all of us if the gym is now responsible for the health of its customers.

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]stokes1989 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
I think we’ll need the good Samaritan laws in the UK soon. Not sure of particular cases but I have read about people being sued for helping others.

What type of people are living that would sue their rescuers? It makes you want to euthanize them.[/quote]

Or just let them die. The world is overpopulated as is.[/quote]

you’d think this would be the most logical choice…idk why everyone doesn’t think that way[/quote]

Well, with that way of thinking why not euthanise people past a certain age? And if they’re disabled? If they’re welfare cheque claimants or alcoholics, drug users.

Be careful about that way of thinking, you can rationalise it down to anything goes. Its what Hitler loved about his job.[/quote]

So not helping someone because you could get sued and ruin your life is equivalent to Hitler’s way of rationalizing? Give me a break. [/quote]

oh wow are you Dark ninjas other account? Same lack of reading skills.

I responded to a guy who says the world is overpopulated and we should let them die because they’re fat/lazy.[/quote]
wat

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some jackass sees me passed out from too much Hennessy in a strip club and breaks my rib trying to “resuscitate me”, I might be suing.[/quote]

Case and point…

Thanks for making my point before, but after I did Prof![/quote]

You guys are all missing the point that you don’t rush in and give CPR to just anyone. There is a very specific line that must be crossed before you start doing it, and before that threshold you sit and monitor. If you give CPR to a someone who is passed out drunk it is ILLEGAL because you shouldn’t have been doing it. If you break a healthy rib (ie. someone who is under 60 years old) then you screwed up, and therefore can probably be sued (albeit probably not for that much). I don’t see either of those situations being any different from malpractice. When you have a CPR certification you accept the responsibility that you are properly trained when and how to give aid to the patient. The kid isn’t a pussy for not rushing in, he could have just not been confident that he was skilled enough to properly resuscitate the lady.

Does anyone deal with PI who can chime in on these lawsuits in terms of statute or max amount and whatnot?

Kind of related story: 2 or 3 of our female cadavers in the lab had broken ribs that we all assumed were from getting CPR when they were dying. I bet those women would have sued the shit out of those docs had their hearts not exploded :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
If you give CPR to a someone who is passed out drunk it is ILLEGAL because you shouldn’t have been doing it. If you break a healthy rib (ie. someone who is under 60 years old) then you screwed up, and therefore can probably be sued (albeit probably not for that much). I don’t see either of those situations being any different from malpractice. [/quote]

I have sat through too many CPR classes to count and I wouldn’t trust most people in them to really do it after they get the certification.

Seriously…I personally don’t think doing this one time on a “resusci-Annie” doll really gets them ready for “fat woman flailing on bathroom floor naked before passing out”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
If you give CPR to a someone who is passed out drunk it is ILLEGAL because you shouldn’t have been doing it. If you break a healthy rib (ie. someone who is under 60 years old) then you screwed up, and therefore can probably be sued (albeit probably not for that much). I don’t see either of those situations being any different from malpractice. [/quote]

I have sat through too many CPR classes to count and I wouldn’t trust most people in them to really do it after they get the certification.

Seriously…I personally don’t think doing this one time on a “resusci-Annie” doll really gets them ready for “fat woman flailing on bathroom floor naked before passing out”.
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That’s kind of what I was saying. You accept a lot of responsibility with that certification and if you don’t feel like it properly prepared you and you understand that you have no obligation to help, then you are free to watch someone lose their grip on life. I don’t think this in any way is a reflection of the character of the employee or the woman. I’ve said before, I really hope once the family deals with their grief they drop the suit.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
If you give CPR to a someone who is passed out drunk it is ILLEGAL because you shouldn’t have been doing it. If you break a healthy rib (ie. someone who is under 60 years old) then you screwed up, and therefore can probably be sued (albeit probably not for that much). I don’t see either of those situations being any different from malpractice. [/quote]

I have sat through too many CPR classes to count and I wouldn’t trust most people in them to really do it after they get the certification.

Seriously…I personally don’t think doing this one time on a “resusci-Annie” doll really gets them ready for “fat woman flailing on bathroom floor naked before passing out”.
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That’s kind of what I was saying. You accept a lot of responsibility with that certification and if you don’t feel like it properly prepared you and you understand that you have no obligation to help, then you are free to watch someone lose their grip on life. I don’t think this in any way is a reflection of the character of the employee or the woman. I’ve said before, I really hope once the family deals with their grief they drop the suit.
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They just want someone to blame.

Simply put, I train at 24 Hour Fitness. I don’t even want the really hairy “moist” guy working the front counter breathing regurgitated lasagna into my mouth at 3am even if I do pass out.

Hell…sometimes you just have to give up the ghost.

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No lay rescuer has ever been successfully sued for performing cpr. interested if anyone has an instance otherwise?

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Fuck getting sued

I wouldve done it just so i could cop feels and make out with the chick

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some jackass sees me passed out from too much Hennessy in a strip club and breaks my rib trying to “resuscitate me”, I might be suing.[/quote]

Case and point…

Thanks for making my point before, but after I did Prof![/quote]

You guys are all missing the point that you don’t rush in and give CPR to just anyone. There is a very specific line that must be crossed before you start doing it, and before that threshold you sit and monitor. If you give CPR to a someone who is passed out drunk it is ILLEGAL because you shouldn’t have been doing it. If you break a healthy rib (ie. someone who is under 60 years old) then you screwed up, and therefore can probably be sued (albeit probably not for that much). I don’t see either of those situations being any different from malpractice. When you have a CPR certification you accept the responsibility that you are properly trained when and how to give aid to the patient. The kid isn’t a pussy for not rushing in, he could have just not been confident that he was skilled enough to properly resuscitate the lady.

Does anyone deal with PI who can chime in on these lawsuits in terms of statute or max amount and whatnot?

Kind of related story: 2 or 3 of our female cadavers in the lab had broken ribs that we all assumed were from getting CPR when they were dying. I bet those women would have sued the shit out of those docs had their hearts not exploded :P[/quote]

I 100% get your point. However, I’ve never met a person that wouldn’t gladly accept a broken rib in exchange for their life. I would rather an inexperience/no experience person try and save my life than be afraid to help because I might sue.

I also think these law suits give cowards an excuse not to help.

It’s like a story from a while ago where a homeless guy was literally dying on the a side walk in NY City while people walked right past him. That shit just pisses me off.

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In Norway I would probably kick in the door and start cpr. A norwegian recently got jailed for 8 years in the US for driving the wrong way down an one way street, so I would probably be sued for 1. Damage of property(door) 2. Rape (CPR).
There were other persons there too, why couldnt they help? I thought CPR was something everyone knew.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]The Anchor wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
I think we’ll need the good Samaritan laws in the UK soon. Not sure of particular cases but I have read about people being sued for helping others.

What type of people are living that would sue their rescuers? It makes you want to euthanize them.[/quote]

Or just let them die. The world is overpopulated as is.[/quote]
So if you were dying and unconcious in a populated area, you wouldn’t want to be saved because “the world is overpopulated as is.”???[/quote]
Correct because I don’t have delusions about my importance to this world and don’t EXPECT anyone to help me.[/quote]

Wow. I can’t believe you actually believe this. Seems like tough talk to me.
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Oh you can’t believe that I take personal responsibility for myself and don’t expect anyone to put their neck out or go out of their way for me? Explain how that is tough talk. It is just what I believe.

Sure, I will call 911 or notify authorities, but I in no way want to get involved in someone elses’ issue unless it is a close friend or relative. Good Samaritan laws or not the courts make too many decisions that are wildly insane for me to risk my way of life.[/quote]

I was more referring to your lack of delusion of your importance to the world. It’s amazing to me that someone could hold their life’s value in such low regard. I understand entirely why you don’t think anyone would jump in and save you, however. Many people are inclined to project their behavior onto others. If you wouldn’t ever help someone out, then you are likely to believe no one would help you out.

One can only be sued for giving aid if they don’t follow proper protocol. You are free to look up any time someone administering aid has been successfully sued–they were always doing something wrong. If one is properly trained and has assessed the risk to be low and they don’t administer care then they’re kind of a jerkoff. Honestly, what’s the point of having a CPR cert if you don’t plan to use it?[/quote]

I do value my life, but I am not under delusions like some people who think the world will stop spinning if they die. It is not that I believe no one would help; I just do not expect them to help or think they are bad people or jerkoffs for not helping. Nice analysis Dr. Phil.

Have you ever tried to help someone in a high risk scenario or attempted to give CPR under duress? Things go wrong and shit happens. Take your textbook analysis somewhere else. It isn’t a dummie there unconscious needing help in a controlled environment with no pressure or adrenaline running. In a society where you can sue and win for spilling hot coffee on your crotch or biting pickles too hot, I don’t trust the court system to not fuck me if given the chance. My family has money and is well to do. So, you can bet your ass I would be getting sued because people suck. This is just the reality of the world we live in.

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So, in a nutshell, you don’t expect people to help because you wouldn’t. That’s what I said. I can also expertly analyze how defensive you’ve become over something that wasn’t insulting.

I still think you’re faking this whole lack of delusional thought thing. Either that or you haven’t reflected about it enough. If you honestly think the world is not better with you in it as opposed to without, then I pity you–whatever that’s worth.
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No see what it seems like he is sayng is people seem to believe that their own existence is of the utmost importance, but it’s not. I’m not saying that I don’t hold my own life to a high regard. But i can also accept that if we were to die on the way home from work tonight, sure some people may grieve for a while, but the world willl keep on spinning. The world as we know it isn’t going to end because some chick died in a planet fitnesses locker room. And believing that thinking thatway makes someone need your pity, well then I just lost alot of respect for you and your way of thinking. People spend so much time trying to some up the value of their lives that they usually let the best parts pass them by…that is all i have to say about that

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I think it is a cancer of society that shows to the world how inhumane and shepherded we can become through fear of reprisals by the state.

It is like divorce and family court. Do you take the risk of maybe landing that one person who doesn’t turn on you?

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[quote]espenl wrote:
In Norway I would probably kick in the door and start cpr. A norwegian recently got jailed for 8 years in the US for driving the wrong way down an one way street, so I would probably be sued for 1. Damage of property(door) 2. Rape (CPR).
There were other persons there too, why couldnt they help? I thought CPR was something everyone knew.[/quote]

So what was this Norwegian high or drunk on to get 8 years? Also how much property damage did he do in the process. Did he kill someone in a head on collision? Just asking espenl.

Now doing CPR you do not have to give the breaths. You just push on their chest, and it is very easy to break a rib when doing CPR. Those cadavers probably had CPR performed on them for 30-45 minutes before they were pronounced dead. Once you start you can not stop till EMTs arrive.

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[quote]espenl wrote:
A norwegian recently got jailed for 8 years in the US for driving the wrong way down an one way street,[/quote]

Wut?

Only if he was drunk and killed someone

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
If she was pronounced dead at the scene 20 minutes after the call, I highly doubt that there would have been much that anyone could have done for her. As sad as it is, this is just parents looking for someone to blame when it is just something that no one probably could have prevented. [/quote]

Agreed.

It will ruin things for all of us if the gym is now responsible for the health of its customers.

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This whole thing is ridiculous. We live in a country where someone has to be monetarily accountable for everything bad that happens. I think as other posters have said he would have been sued if he had attempted for entering a womans locker room or for administering aid improperly.

It also appears that it was considered “sudden cardiac arrest” which is usually results in death if a defibrillator is not used within minutes.

Sad for the girl but if the gym and the employee are held accountable for her unfortunate circumstance expect membership to cost more at your gym soon. Insurance for the owners is going up!