[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Back to the future of pit bulls in America. My thoughts are fight bans. Increase penalties for reckless owners. Off the leash in public etc.
Also strengthen a citizens ability to defend themselves against menacing and aggressive dogs. Yes, this means shooting, stabbing or by whatever means necessary. And protecting good Samaritans.
Maybe felon’s shouldn’t be able to possess dangerous breeds? Just throwing that up for discussion. [/quote]
I can get on board with this argument. If you’re being attacked you should certainly not have repercussions for defending yourself. And leash laws are absolutely a necessity for all breeds, if anything just because it’s extremely annoying and rude to have someone’s random dog run up to you while you’re outside and don’t know what the dog’s attitude/tendencies are
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A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Back to the future of pit bulls in America. My thoughts are fight bans. Increase penalties for reckless owners. Off the leash in public etc.
Also strengthen a citizens ability to defend themselves against menacing and aggressive dogs. Yes, this means shooting, stabbing or by whatever means necessary. And protecting good Samaritans.
Maybe felon’s shouldn’t be able to possess dangerous breeds? Just throwing that up for discussion. [/quote]
I can get on board with this argument. If you’re being attacked you should certainly not have repercussions for defending yourself. And leash laws are absolutely a necessity for all breeds, if anything just because it’s extremely annoying and rude to have someone’s random dog run up to you while you’re outside and don’t know what the dog’s attitude/tendencies are
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A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]
Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.
I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]
So, you used a knife to defend yourself against an attacking dog?
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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I hate that shit. It’s amazing how pissy people get when you call them out on their dog being off the leash.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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You have obviously never seen real obedience work before. Having said that, most owners don’t actually do it. This is my dog’s sire:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I know many of us here, including myself are fans of the breed and the others closely aligned with it. I do worry about the breed in the states, I wonder what could be done to save the breed. I get a bad feeling that Pitbull bans are going to be a national crusade in the future. I am aware alot of counties have already done this.
But what is to blame?
Is it simply the general idea, of the bad irresponsible owner?
Is it the breed itself?
I dont own any pitbulls but have always been a fan. I’m curious as to other people thoughts on the matter.
That third link was hard to read…and I turned the video off.
I’m not really sure what the answer is… but some people shouldn’t be dog owner at all…and especially not owners of “big/dangerous” dogs.
Last year I took my father’s springer for a walk. Sure enough the neighbor’s pitt-mix (? I think, I don’t know enough to identify by sight) was free and “ran up” to us. It was acting like a puppy. But my dad’s dog is/was old and wanted nothing to do with it. I put myself between them but it seemed (to me) like there was potential for a problem. This…apparently…was a common problem according to my old man. Apparently, the cops had been called before. I guess the neighbors across from us had gotten good at catching the dog, leashing it, and waiting for animal control (just a cop, I guess).
Dogs sometimes get free. That’s life. But when there is such potenital for damage, perhaps people in residential communities should not be allowed to have the breed… or if they do, then the dog must never be allowed to get free.
I guess I’m not sure. But I certainly was glad when I learned the “always free pitt” in my dad’s neighborhood was gone.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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You have obviously never seen real obedience work before. Having said that, most owners don’t actually do it. This is my dog’s sire:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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Definitely agree with this, I do believe that some dogs are trained that well, however they are very far and few between and just saying keep them leashed is a lot easier to enforce.
I totally disagree with nanny laws that say take the dogs away from everyone when it’s only a few that are the problem. I guess I’m more in favor of reactive but severe enforcement of laws about leashing, fencing, and in the case of a dog attacking an individual because they were trained to be aggressive or just allowed to run free their should be prison/fines for the owner.
Not trying to get too far off topic but it comes down to, we can’t regulate every safety risk out of our lives, if they did we’d all be bragging about our 200lb Nautilus Chest Press because lifting free weights is a risk of injury. If we continue to let every little accident that happens shut down an activity or right that we have pretty soon we can’t do anything. I know that is a bit of a stretch but think about the legal creep that has happened just in the last couple decades with seat belt laws and stuff like that. Our first kid is due in April and my god all the rules and stuff with car seats and certain kinds of cribs and whatnot makes you wonder how we possibly survived as a species if we are truly that delicate.
Sorry for yet another rant on this thread, but I think that is the underlying big picture issue at stake here.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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You have obviously never seen real obedience work before. Having said that, most owners don’t actually do it. This is my dog’s sire:
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It can’t be too obvious, because I had an imported black German Shepherd growing up which had been through a long and rigorous obedience and training course from her previous owner.
My brother also has a Belgian Malinois which he has had professionally trained.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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You have obviously never seen real obedience work before. Having said that, most owners don’t actually do it. This is my dog’s sire:
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It can’t be too obvious, because I had an imported black German Shepherd growing up which had been through a long and rigorous obedience and training course from her previous owner.
My brother also has a Belgian Malinois which he has had professionally trained.
That is a very nice dog in the vid, btw.
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Then you should know better. Anyway, I’m not saying dogs should be off leash, although in some cases it is perfectly fine (e.g., hunting), but that a leash is no guarantee of safety. If you need to out muscle your dog to control it then that’s a problem since a lot of people who own strong dogs are not strong enough.
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
Definitely agree with this, I do believe that some dogs are trained that well, however they are very far and few between and just saying keep them leashed is a lot easier to enforce.
I totally disagree with nanny laws that say take the dogs away from everyone when it’s only a few that are the problem. I guess I’m more in favor of reactive but severe enforcement of laws about leashing, fencing, and in the case of a dog attacking an individual because they were trained to be aggressive or just allowed to run free their should be prison/fines for the owner.
Not trying to get too far off topic but it comes down to, we can’t regulate every safety risk out of our lives, if they did we’d all be bragging about our 200lb Nautilus Chest Press because lifting free weights is a risk of injury. If we continue to let every little accident that happens shut down an activity or right that we have pretty soon we can’t do anything. I know that is a bit of a stretch but think about the legal creep that has happened just in the last couple decades with seat belt laws and stuff like that. Our first kid is due in April and my god all the rules and stuff with car seats and certain kinds of cribs and whatnot makes you wonder how we possibly survived as a species if we are truly that delicate.
Sorry for yet another rant on this thread, but I think that is the underlying big picture issue at stake here.
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I agree with you for the most part but here’s my concern- The liability shakes down on the dog owner. If mine does damage I am responsible Period. It doesn’t matter that the other one was off leash or anything else.
The best I could hope for if there had been an incident would be a sensible magistrate, and that is a crap shoot. After so many times of it happening it just didn’t make sense to continue and was no longer even a risk. It’s basically guaranteed that there will be an incident, so I quit participating. I still go hiking in the same areas but have to leave the dog at home.
It sucks but sometimes when you know better, you have to do better.
A leash is only necessary when there is a lack of training. A well trained off-leash dog is better than one on leash that is too strong for his owner to control. [/quote]
When is that ever the case, that the dog is adequately trained, or by extension-under the owners verbal control?
I’ve had to quit taking my dog (a pit) to local parks and woods because every asshole with a dog thinks they have it under control. Then me, wife and dog come along and their off leash dog charges us. Then I have to run intercept at the other dog to keep a fight from breaking out because all that my dog sees is another animal running at us and becomes protective.
Beyond a certain proximity an owner has virtually no control over their dog and no ability to stop it from doing what ever it wants. From 50-75 yards out they might as well not even be there.
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You have obviously never seen real obedience work before. Having said that, most owners don’t actually do it. This is my dog’s sire:
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It can’t be too obvious, because I had an imported black German Shepherd growing up which had been through a long and rigorous obedience and training course from her previous owner.
My brother also has a Belgian Malinois which he has had professionally trained.
That is a very nice dog in the vid, btw.
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Then you should know better. Anyway, I’m not saying dogs should be off leash, although in some cases it is perfectly fine (e.g., hunting), but that a leash is no guarantee of safety. If you need to out muscle your dog to control it then that’s a problem since a lot of people who own strong dogs are not strong enough. [/quote]
I do know better you numbskull! Thats how I know about the owners loss of control due to distance and that there is a virtually insignificant number of owners with dogs trained well enough to respond counter to their instinct.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]
Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.
I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]
So, you used a knife to defend yourself against an attacking dog?[/quote]
I always carry a knife everywhere I go.
I’ve worked with lots of pit bulls. Never had an issue with any of them. That being said, I would never have one as a pet. I have 2 very young children and one older, and it isn’t worth the risk. The dog only has to fuck up once. There is no margin for error with something that powerful.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Back to the future of pit bulls in America. My thoughts are fight bans. Increase penalties for reckless owners. Off the leash in public etc.
Also strengthen a citizens ability to defend themselves against menacing and aggressive dogs. Yes, this means shooting, stabbing or by whatever means necessary. And protecting good Samaritans.
Maybe felon’s shouldn’t be able to possess dangerous breeds? Just throwing that up for discussion. [/quote]
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]
Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.
I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]
So, you used a knife to defend yourself against an attacking dog?[/quote]
I always carry a knife everywhere I go.[/quote]
There was another thread involving a poster who claimed it would be foolish to defend oneself with a knife against an aggressive dog. Glad you came out with minor injuries.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]
Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.
I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]
So, you used a knife to defend yourself against an attacking dog?[/quote]
I always carry a knife everywhere I go.[/quote]
There was another thread involving a poster who claimed it would be foolish to defend oneself with a knife against an aggressive dog. Glad you came out with minor injuries.
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