Pit Bull Maulings, Future of Pitbulls in America

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
People mess up or kill other people more than dogs do. Lets ban people! [/quote]

or better yet euthanize people!

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]

So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?

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Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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Actually you wrote, The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. Which it does, the dog’s strength and power makes it more of a threat.

Just to clarify, I am not for regulation of what breeds of dogs people can possess.
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There are a ton of breeds with strength and power - is that a problem for all of those breeds as well? [/quote]

In the hands of an inattentive irresponsible owner absolutely. It’s asinine when people pretend like their dogs aren’t capable of violence.
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This was exactly WF’s point. It’s not the dog, it’s the owner.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]

Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.

I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
He went to White Castle with Doogie Howser

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This is the BBC article on the case:

It is referred to as a pit-bull terrier-type dog, but since then it has been confirmed to be a pitbull as far as I understand.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
He went to White Castle with Doogie Howser[/quote]

No white castles in Ma and nothing really open after 11pm(land of the puritans) I drove home from my buddies

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]
He went to White Castle with Doogie Howser[/quote]

No white castles in Ma and nothing really open after 11pm(land of the puritans) I drove home from my buddies[/quote]

Ok harold.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]

So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?

[/quote]

Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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Actually you wrote, The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. Which it does, the dog’s strength and power makes it more of a threat.

Just to clarify, I am not for regulation of what breeds of dogs people can possess.
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There are a ton of breeds with strength and power - is that a problem for all of those breeds as well? [/quote]

In the hands of an inattentive irresponsible owner absolutely. It’s asinine when people pretend like their dogs aren’t capable of violence.
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This was exactly WF’s point. It’s not the dog, it’s the owner.
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We’re going to have to agree to disagree here.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]

Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.

I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]

Good work. Was she cited with anything?

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Back to the future of pit bulls in America. My thoughts are fight bans. Increase penalties for reckless owners. Off the leash in public etc.

Also strengthen a citizens ability to defend themselves against menacing and aggressive dogs. Yes, this means shooting, stabbing or by whatever means necessary. And protecting good Samaritans.

Maybe felon’s shouldn’t be able to possess dangerous breeds? Just throwing that up for discussion.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Just some food for thought. I found this case of a golden retriever-mix who’d attacked a 9-year old girl, was set to be euthanized, and then was freed after a bunch of community support/activism.

Is there any chance we’d expect the same community outcries of injustice if a pit bull-type "was performing tricks for the girl and her mother, became startled when the girl screamed in his face and scratched her - resulting in a cut lower lip, a gash on her right cheek, and a deep scratch on her lower eyelid.

The girl’s mother said the attack was unprovoked and caused by bites, not scratches. The parents said she received 100 stitches to her cuts and had surgery to mend the tear duct."

I seriously don’t think so, regardless of the special circumstances (they say the judge handed out a lot of euthanasia orders). But this was a Golden owned by an elderly man, so I guess that means it wasn’t really vicious. SMH.[/quote]

That dog should be dust. BTW, I know a man who owned a large Chesapeake bay retriever who bit a little girl in the face. It was terrible.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
Chris Colucci, Great statistics and well thought out argument unlike my less scientific rant. Great to hear you rescued a Pit, kudos.[/quote]
Thanks, man. She’s a blast.

And it’s kinda funny, pits were never really “on my radar” one way or the other before our first girl wandered into our lives about six years ago. I’d always wanted a basset hound. But I’ve tried to pay attention to “pibble news”, learn about BSL, try to be a breed ambassador, etc. Just seems like the responsible thing to do.

Definitely agreed.[/quote]

She is so vicious she is trying to kill the snow…lol Just kidding, good looking dog!

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]

Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.

I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]

Good work. Was she cited with anything?
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I’m not sure if she was cited I was with the emt’s getting cleaned up, and the cops were talking to her, I don’t know if I’m going to have to go to court I don’t know if she’s going to try and press charges against me for killing her dog

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed. [/quote]

Holy shit, what happened after that[/quote]

Cops came my knife was confiscated, she was crying the dog didn’t make it and I feel really bad about it, I have small bite marks on my forearm luckily my leather was really thick(not sure I want to keep it now). I’m not sure if I’m going to court or not, I didn’t get anything from the cops, and like I said my wounds were superficial and were cleaned at the scene.

I’m really torn up I enjoy the company of animals over people most of the time and I would never hurt one let alone kill one.[/quote]

Good work. Was she cited with anything?
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I’m not sure if she was cited I was with the emt’s getting cleaned up, and the cops were talking to her, I don’t know if I’m going to have to go to court I don’t know if she’s going to try and press charges against me for killing her dog[/quote]

Was she the least bit apologetic that her dog attacked you?

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I think the most honest reality for pit bulls is that there are some lines that are bred to have high levels of animal aggression, and if they have a little human aggression that’s okay with those breeders as well. If you don’t believe me, look at the Chinaman fighting line of dog, just research it with google and you will see the sire dog did have human aggression issues, but it was such a great fighter that they bred it anyhow. The reality is that there are fighting lines of pitbull out there, most are only animal aggressive but some are human aggressive too.

In general the biggest hurdle for pits is socializing them when they are pups with other animals and people. With other animals especially because they have a high prey drive, the other drive they have in abundance, moreso than most other dogs is the drive to please their owner, which is the thing that is manipulated most in pits to fight.

I grew up around some fighting dogs as well as just great pets. The thing about certain pit bulls, especially females is they really don’t like to be 2nd amongst other dogs, it really can be an ordeal if the dogs aren’t socialized and sometimes neutered, establishing a pecking order can be murderous when certain breeds are involved, and when you have two dogs that are used to being alpha it gets ugly. But this is the same with a lot of protective breeds. French Mastiffs are a great example, but they aren’t nearly as common as the pit. The caucasian shepherd is a real killer, they will literally kill you and other dogs if you wander onto their territory, but they are also so uncommon that you will never hear about them.

The other thing is a lot of other aggressive dogs get piled in with pit bulls, which compounds the already bad reputation in pit bulls. Generally speaking, as long as you socialize them at a young age and keep on top of your alpha animals, they are amazing companions. I don’t know of a more loyal, more eager to please dog than a good pit.

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I’d imagine that the aggression could be bred into a lineage of dog. I’ve seen pitbulls that were completely docile and gentle to ones bred for fighting. I knew 2 brothers years back who were into the local dog fighting scene, scary as hell dogs. They actually filed the dog’s teeth to make them sharper… pretty demented. The fights would be held in Brooklyn and Queens warehouses. I was once asked if I wanted to go, I passed on it.

Rob

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[quote]dirtman wrote:
All kinds of breeds used for aggression. Rotties german shepards etc. Anything big enough to cause serious harm.
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Any breed of dog, regardless of size, can be aggressive and “used for aggression” and can cause serious harm. A toy breed could seriously hurt an infant. The funny thing is that the larger breeds are probably better behaved, as a group, than smaller breeds. They are safer around kids than small breeds when judged as a group. Larger breeds just get worse press and publicity because if a Rottweiler barks at someone the cops are called but how many people would call the cops if a Yorkie snarled at them or even attacked them? When I was a kid delivering newspapers the small dogs were always the meanest, nastiest dogs. And if one actually launched an ankle attack on me the owners somehow thought it was cute or something. I’m not saying it’s all small dog owners but a lot of them think it’s cool or something to see their little dog behave like a big dog in a little body.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

And it’s kinda funny, pits were never really “on my radar” one way or the other before our first girl wandered into our lives about six years ago. I’d always wanted a basset hound. But I’ve tried to pay attention to “pibble news”, learn about BSL, try to be a breed ambassador, etc. Just seems like the responsible thing to do.
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Yeah, I was looking for an English Bulldog or something when a friend of my wife’s found our Pit. Couldn’t have gotten more lucky

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Back to the future of pit bulls in America. My thoughts are fight bans. Increase penalties for reckless owners. Off the leash in public etc.

Also strengthen a citizens ability to defend themselves against menacing and aggressive dogs. Yes, this means shooting, stabbing or by whatever means necessary. And protecting good Samaritans.

Maybe felon’s shouldn’t be able to possess dangerous breeds? Just throwing that up for discussion. [/quote]

I can get on board with this argument. If you’re being attacked you should certainly not have repercussions for defending yourself. And leash laws are absolutely a necessity for all breeds, if anything just because it’s extremely annoying and rude to have someone’s random dog run up to you while you’re outside and don’t know what the dog’s attitude/tendencies are