I love me some bostons, I have one (truly my best friend) he gets mistaken as a pit sometimes laughably. Hes a big boy though 45lbs
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I’m no dog expert but why is it that I only here about people/children getting mauled by pit pulls.[/quote]
Because a Pit Bull bite makes a nice excessively biased news headline. Has a lot more likelihood of being read than a Labradoodle bite. I own a Pit/American Bulldog mix and she’s a ball of energy but the most loving dog I’ve ever met in my life. Basically an 80lb lap dog that absolutely loves people. It’s ALWAYS the owners fault if their dog, no matter the breed, bites someone in my opinion.
Either through sleazy motives like training the dog to be aggressive for fighting or to try and look like a cool guy or general lack of socialization/training combined with not properly fencing or leashing the dog. Teaching a dog to be mean and nasty is easy, it’s basically the same thing as taking a 3 or 4 year old and teaching them how cool it is to shoot guns at people. The kid/dog has the mental ability to learn by mimicking and encouragement but not enough to know right from wrong.
I’ve had neighborhood dogs run up with teeth bared and bite at my dog on walks because the owners thought they didn’t have to leash theirs. My PITBULL is such a calm dog that without making a sound or anything she simply uses her body to knock them away and we move on. Those dog owners think I should be forgiving and/or think its funny but if I let my dog off leash and she pulled the same stunt, they’d try to have me put her to sleep.
I have recently seen groups forming to educate people on what good dogs Pits are and that is very encouraging as well as there have been some recent stories published in news where Pits saved children and or owners lives. This is a topic I’m extremely passionate about and breed specific legislation is criminal and once again makes it so human beings don’t have to take responsibility for their actions which is the real crime. /end rant, sorry for the long, rambling post [/quote]
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]
So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?
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Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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I own Boston Terriers who are teddy bears…but this argument seems perfectly reasonable.
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Boston’s are cool dogs. One of my ex’s had one, and they all just played NONSTOP 'til they collapsed from exhaustion. Matty, a 45lb Boston is a monster.
Here’s my other female. First on is Mocha, the male is Gus, and this is Penny. I love these dogs more than any person on the planet, excluding my mom.
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]
Agree 100%, love the pic. looks quite a bit like mine. Yes Pits are big strong dogs, but if they are properly cared for they aren’t attackers and owners should be held responsible for their dog’s actions not the dog.
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That’s a great pic. We’re in complete agreement on the breed and the people who own them.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Hes a big boy though 45lbs [/quote]
That is the death star of Bostons, size of a small moon…lol
/that’s no moon
Just great looking dogs…it certainly is a shame that all to often they fall in the wrong hands
From my hub…seriously cannot get enough of this dog.
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seems apropos
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I love me some bostons, I have one (truly my best friend) he gets mistaken as a pit sometimes laughably. Hes a big boy though 45lbs [/quote]
This is part of the problem. If a dog that has attacked someone looks like a pitbull it is automatically attributed to the breed. But there are many breeds of dogs that look like but aren’t pit bulls. Try this game out and see if you can spot the pit bull.
http://www.pbrc.net/poppysplace/games/AdultFindabull/findpitbull_v4.html
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
Chris Colucci, Great statistics and well thought out argument unlike my less scientific rant. Great to hear you rescued a Pit, kudos.[/quote]
Thanks, man. She’s a blast.
And it’s kinda funny, pits were never really “on my radar” one way or the other before our first girl wandered into our lives about six years ago. I’d always wanted a basset hound. But I’ve tried to pay attention to “pibble news”, learn about BSL, try to be a breed ambassador, etc. Just seems like the responsible thing to do.
Definitely agreed.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]
So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?
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Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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Actually you wrote, The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. Which it does, the dog’s strength and power makes it more of a threat.
Just to clarify, I am not for regulation of what breeds of dogs people can possess.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]
So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?
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Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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Actually you wrote, The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. Which it does, the dog’s strength and power makes it more of a threat.
Just to clarify, I am not for regulation of what breeds of dogs people can possess.
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There are a ton of breeds with strength and power - is that a problem for all of those breeds as well?
Just some food for thought. I found this case of a golden retriever-mix who’d attacked a 9-year old girl, was set to be euthanized, and then was freed after a bunch of community support/activism.
Is there any chance we’d expect the same community outcries of injustice if a pit bull-type "was performing tricks for the girl and her mother, became startled when the girl screamed in his face and scratched her - resulting in a cut lower lip, a gash on her right cheek, and a deep scratch on her lower eyelid.
The girl’s mother said the attack was unprovoked and caused by bites, not scratches. The parents said she received 100 stitches to her cuts and had surgery to mend the tear duct."
I seriously don’t think so, regardless of the special circumstances (they say the judge handed out a lot of euthanasia orders). But this was a Golden owned by an elderly man, so I guess that means it wasn’t really vicious. SMH.
People mess up or kill other people more than dogs do. Lets ban people!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I bred and still own three. Pits are the most loyal, loving, goofy, sweet and awesome breed you’ll ever come across. People forget (or never knew) that Pits were Americas dog during the first half of the century. The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. It’s entirely on the shoulders of the owner(s). [/quote]
So the dog’s ability to inflict damage has nothing to do with the dog?
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Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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Actually you wrote, The problem has nothing to do with the dogs. Which it does, the dog’s strength and power makes it more of a threat.
Just to clarify, I am not for regulation of what breeds of dogs people can possess.
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There are a ton of breeds with strength and power - is that a problem for all of those breeds as well? [/quote]
In the hands of an inattentive irresponsible owner absolutely. It’s asinine when people pretend like their dogs aren’t capable of violence.
This is quite topical for me because just a couple of days ago a girl was killed by a pitbull in the city I live in. Pitbulls are completely illegal over here in the UK. I don’t know much about dogs, and I’m not sure I have an opinion either way, but it is interesting.
Having said that I feel that while a huge part of it is down to the owner/training, it must at least in a small part also be due to the characteristics of the breed. I’m clearly no expert though.
Funny this thread just popped out, as I was actually attacked by a pit on Saturday. I don’t blame the dog I blame the white trash owner. I was leaving my buddies house on Saturday and walking to my car when I saw this lady being walked by her pitbull, I knew it was about to hit the fan so I prepared I remained calm and attempted to put my car between the dog and myself, that didn’t work, I was wearing my thick leather jacket, luckily and I had a knife. When he lunged I put my arm up and my knife in the dog. I feel bad for him and I still don’t think it’s the breed.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not even remotely close to what I said. Pits are alphas. Strong, fast, incredibly bright and naturally aggressive. If you train to accentuate that aggressiveness, they’re terminators. If you train 'em with love, respect, loyalty and positive/negative reinforcement, they’re teddy bears. I agree 100% that there needs to be a screening process with the “aggressive” breeds. Last thing I want to see is another hoodrat putting an innocent dog through hell so he can line his pockets.
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This makes complete sense to me, I think screening and perhaps licences are probably the way forward.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
People mess up or kill other people more than dogs do. Lets ban people! [/quote]
I’m 100% on board. We are the virus that is killng this planet, and our complete and unfounded sense of entitlement is one of our major downfalls as a species.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I love me some bostons, I have one (truly my best friend) he gets mistaken as a pit sometimes laughably. Hes a big boy though 45lbs [/quote]
This is part of the problem. If a dog that has attacked someone looks like a pitbull it is automatically attributed to the breed. But there are many breeds of dogs that look like but aren’t pit bulls. Try this game out and see if you can spot the pit bull.
http://www.pbrc.net/poppysplace/games/AdultFindabull/findpitbull_v4.html
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Page 4 at the top, But I can definitely see how some can be mistaken