Just for the sake of argument, let’s say that US soldiers are bred to be killing machines.In that hypothetical case, wouldn’t you think saying, “they’re just doing their jobs”, is a cop out? Were Nazi soldiers "just doing their jobs? At some point doesn’t a good moral individual have to make a stand against authority; even if it means treason against their nation?
[quote]gkchesterton wrote:
Just for the sake of argument, let’s say that US soldiers are bred to be killing machines.In that hypothetical case, wouldn’t you think saying, “they’re just doing their jobs”, is a cop out? Were Nazi soldiers "just doing their jobs? At some point doesn’t a good moral individual have to make a stand against authority; even if it means treason against their nation? [/quote]
This is my half baked theory on this but, the power of fear is probably what kept a lot of the Nazi soldiers in line.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
How is killing a puppy different than stepping on a spider?[/quote]
so in this quote let me ask
how is killing a human any different than killing a puppy.
with all this killing talk let me ask something else.
have any of you actually killed anything besides what you saw was beneith you ie puppys ants spiders whatever.
have any of you actually killed a person before.
and not just from a distance,disconnected type of shooting
the entire world is so fast to cast judgement about right wrong whatever
my opinion is untill you have actually killed another person and watch them die with thier blood on your hands and you know first hand how heavy something like that weighs on the very person you think you are then maybe you should just sit back and shut the fuck up about the subject.
/rant
and with that I think
maybe this guy did it
me personally I think he droped the dog and threw a doll off the cliff I mean you hear a dog yapping in the back ground.
but even if he did do you know the mental shit these guys go through to push them over the edge like that
and also with the public talking about it they way they do why wasnt charges brought up I mean everyone knows who this guy is.
it was meant (in bad taste) to get people like us talking
EDIT: i just saw that dude was discharged or whatever punishment they had
if he did do it then he is an utter sissy along with his buddies
if i was there then I would have shot him and said he fell.
no exageration either.
[quote]Nich wrote:
if i was there then I would have shot him and said he fell.
no exageration either.[/quote]
You would kill a fellow soldier over an animal?
Would you have offed everyone else there too, just to keep your lie?
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey Guys,
A member of my gym made a comment the other day about our military that didn’t sit well with me. I wanted the opinion of the people on T-Nation about it, particularly those who have served in the armed forces.
The story about the solider who had thrown the puppy off a cliff in Iraq had come up the other day.
A lady in the room made the comment: “Well, what else do you expect. They train these young kids to become killing machines. This is what happens”.
I would like to hold what was my response until I see what the people on here think.
Thanks,
Mike Cruickshank [/quote]
Killing a defeneless animal is outright wrong, but to cast ALL of US (not the U.S., I mean ‘US’ as in ‘I’ being in the US ARMY currently) as drooling killing machines incapable of intelligence is a fault deserving death or a certain act of savagery.
I’d also like to add that its the criticisms from the civilian sector which benefits from the protection of us that is breeding a seperatist movement within the ranks of the US Military, and the Veterans Organizations. A movement of valuing only those who have served or who are serving, and caring less and less about the civilian sector which by whole margins is abandoning its support of its own military. Good to know that I’m on the right side.
“A nation that forgets it’s veterans shall itself be forgotten”
if i said something like that lady at the gym said, i’d word it differently than she did. i think it was a stupid comment, it’s not like they train people to go kill puppies.
war does fucked up things to people. alot of combat veterans come back with PTSD and other issues.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Nich wrote:
if i was there then I would have shot him and said he fell.
no exageration either.
You would kill a fellow soldier over an animal?
Would you have offed everyone else there too, just to keep your lie?[/quote]
i know it sounds stupid because its “just an animal” point is its not right and yes I would kill a person,anyone I dont give a shit who they are to stand up for my moral value.
would it be different if he grabed a 3 year old child and tossed him off the rocks?
and if so then how?
why is it that a certian species is of a different value?
without going into detail I have had several years of my life alone to think about this very thing.
kiling a person over standing for whats right.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
I can’t honestly create a comment for this topic because I don’t know what to say. The comment is completely filled with stupidity, and that kind of ignorance will never be stopped; that kind of ignorance will be saved by the people being called “killing machines”.[/quote]
Great statement
" . . . that kind of ignorance will be saved by the people being called ‘killing machines’".
I don’t give a flying fuck if you support our war in Iraq or not Will to Power, I support our men and women doing their duty.
politics create wars and leave it to the military to fight it out.
[quote]Nich wrote:
i know it sounds stupid because its “just an animal” point is its not right and yes I would kill a person,anyone I dont give a shit who they are to stand up for my moral value.
would it be different if he grabed a 3 year old child and tossed him off the rocks?
and if so then how?
why is it that a certian species is of a different value?
without going into detail I have had several years of my life alone to think about this very thing.
kiling a person over standing for whats right.[/quote]
That’s just what I meant and you told me to shut the fuck up.
Killing for the sake of killing is equally deplorable regardless of what is being killed.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
I can’t honestly create a comment for this topic because I don’t know what to say. The comment is completely filled with stupidity, and that kind of ignorance will never be stopped; that kind of ignorance will be saved by the people being called “killing machines”.
Great statement
" . . . that kind of ignorance will be saved by the people being called ‘killing machines’".
I don’t give a flying fuck if you support our war in Iraq or not Will to Power, I support our men and women doing their duty.
politics create wars and leave it to the military to fight it out.
[/quote]
And what’s that mean, exactly, by saying you support the troops?
That mean you put one of those yellow ribbon things on your car and call it a day? (And I’m not talking about you, OG, you know I mean the more figurative, greater meaning of “everyone”)
I am so fucking sick of hearing that. What’s it mean? No one defines it, it just becomes this BS political catchphrase that every asshole utters as soon as his “patriotism” is called into question.
“Supporting the troops” means different things to different people. To some it means supporting the Iraq war. To others it means pulling the troops out immediately… to still others it means defending everything they do, such as killing puppies (and I mean fuckin christ, it doesn’t get more brutal than that). By meaning everything, it means nothing.
Thank your politicians…
if I seemed a little harsh about my comments I am sorry
it starts with acting like your killing animals then you do kill animals then you kill people.
want proof here is opne case tah tI know about personaly.
these sick fucks went around shooting horses and dogs from a car window and when that got boring they ended up shooting people at random with no warning,people walking down the street,jogging,whatever
one of wich was a 22 year old girl walking to her boyfriends house.
and another is a case of a man years ago that took a baby undressed her stabed her in the chest re-dressed the kid and put her back for people to find
he too started off killing animals like this man in the video.
killing people as a job is one thing that is something you have to do for whatever reason.
killing something for the fun of it and laughing about it shows you have issues that need to be handled before you end up like these guys here.
and its not the militarys fault at all
this is a sick person and the people tha twas with him are either sick as well or too weak to speak against it.
either way in my eyes these types of people should not be allowed to live because one day that puppy may end up being a little girl.
that is if this wasnt just a hoax
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t give a flying fuck if you support our war in Iraq or not Will to Power, I support our men and women doing their duty.
[/quote]
What does supporting the troops have to do with anything I said? What do you want, a cookie?
[quote]will to power wrote:
What does supporting the troops have to do with anything I said? What do you want, a cookie?[/quote]
I want a cookie…
liftsmart:
I didnt mean you to shut the fuck up personaly and I am sorry that you took it that way I really am
I was ranting about people that have no idea of the mental things that come along with having to kill someone or something for that mater
and then they still have an opinion about it.
if you have never been in that situation then how can you know how it feels but these people still seem to think they can imanagine it
and your last statement sumed up my rambling posts perfectly
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Well they’re in the military. They don’t train you for fucking tickling contests, they train you to kill. I don’t see what’s so inflammatory.
And on top of that, it would be ridiculous to say that people you have trained to kill won’t develop a detachment or a disregard for human life, much less some dog they found. It’s not something you turn on and off.
Drop the politics- this isn’t an issue of an American soldier vs. the iraqi soldier, it’s the psychological effects of being in a combat zone, the mental toll it takes on you, and how the human mind reacts to war and the excessive violence.
For the record, they should be punished (as they were, I think.) Besides being inhumane and brutal, it’s terrible PR in a war where PR is more important than bullets.[/quote]
This basically sums up how I feel.
I don’t find her comment overly offensive. A little narrow-minded, sure, but she’s not fa from the truth.
I don’t know how it is in other services, but Marines are told from day one that they are killing machines. War and killing is romanticised throughout boot camp. When it comes time to actually battle and kill and wage war, people can become desensitized to the idea of taking a life. Like Irish said, it can’t easily be turned on and off.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
will to power wrote:
What does supporting the troops have to do with anything I said? What do you want, a cookie?
I want a cookie…[/quote]
Cookies for everyone.
[quote]will to power wrote:
Cookies for everyone.[/quote]
I wanted dark chocolate.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
will to power wrote:
Cookies for everyone.
I wanted dark chocolate.[/quote]
Hey, anzac cookies rule. You unpatriot… not patriot… I’m no good at this.
dont let the V-Dieters see our cookies
we will have a stampede on our hands
[quote]Makavali wrote:
will to power wrote:
Cookies for everyone.
I wanted dark chocolate.[/quote]
That’s what SHE said.
…I don’t get it.