[quote]Reed wrote:
Stupid insane night sweats. Seriously so bad I have put a plastic sheet under my regular sheets so it doesn’t ruin the mattress. I also have a plastic liner over my pillow for the same reason.
I also have insane insomnia those two nights. Seriously I take 10mg Melatonin, Ibueprophen PM, Unisom, 50mg Tramadol and wash all down with a bit of Nyquil and if I sleep 3 hours that night I’m pretty happy.
I dont believe in the “Roid Rage” thing but, I have experienced something pretty close to it on multiple occasions and only between this 48 hour window.
I have mentioned it before but, during this time it is literally almost impossible and I don’t care what the motivation for me to ejaculate… I swear to god ask the wife in her log if you want. She may be able to give a better description of this period and probably has picked up on even more subtle sides. Also fair to mention I had these sides on a much smaller spectrum when I was pinning 2-3 times a week. Now that I am pinning all 750 in one day the Sides are much more noticeable good and bad.
What’s weird to me is that I pin on Monday night about 8 by Thursday mid day the sweats, insomnia, sex problems or not a problem how ever you see it and my temper are completely back to normal. I love Tren but, Jesu[/quote]
Have you tried pinning more frequently?[/quote]
Yes I have and ihave the same sides bt to a milder degree all week. So i kinda prefer just shit for a day or two and then good to go as opposed to a little a week.
Cheers barfly I’m going to run test e 250 twice a week for definite and am debating between trek e 100 or 200 twice per week, do you think the 200 would be heavy for a first cycle?
What sort of results did you get when you ran this? What did your cycle pct look like including anti e and ancillaries used etc?
Thanks for the info now I know you have run what I’m planning on running in going to bug you though
By using Tren with very low Test (100-200mg weekly) I barely get sides besides some night sweats once in a while, which are still way less bothersome then when using higher Test. I pin 2x a week (Tren E of course, not Tren A)
Oh, I too have a hard time orgasming (except when doing solo work ha ha). With new girls I say I’m shy or such BS but blah, I would do away with it if I knew how. That stays way after the cycle is over too, which doubly sucks. I wonder if taking proviron would help for that. Masteron, which is also DHT based, has not.
Sam if this is your first cycle ever I wouldn’t run tren. Just do a test only cycle just to see how your body reacts. My first pinning cycle I ran tren but I did a few cycles of pros and dbol. Not gonna tell you want to do But I’ve done some reading on this site and more of the experienced people don’t advise it. As far as the sides. They first cycle I did I had a hard time sleeping but I wasn’t draggin ass the next day. a little moody and super high sex drive.
Yes I do have a hard time getting off but I’m not concerned about that. I hate to run and if I can fuck till I can’t go any more I call that my cardeo. I sleep good most nights. The wife gets upset some because I want it all the time. Even lies to me and says it sore. But we all know you can’t wear it out. If they would make tires out of it I would buy 4 and never have to but another for the rest of my life.
[quote]barfly320 wrote:
The wife gets upset some because I want it all the time. Even lies to me and says it sore. But we all know you can’t wear it out. If they would make tires out of it I would buy 4 and never have to but another for the rest of my life. [/quote]
You are quite the romantic poet
On the side effects topic, another side I forget to mention is feeling dehydrated. I pay closer attention to electrolytes and drink more water on Tren. And I get unbearable calf pumps if running.
As for my cardio, it’s actually BETTER. I have great cardio since I do some MMA training and eat my veggies. My limiting factor is muscle endurance, not the cardiovascular system. With Tren, my muscle endurance goes way up so I feel overall my stamina is better.
Thanks for even more info, I do appreciate all your advice barfly, I’m not going to follow it completely as really like the ideas of the effects Tren has stacked with Test but I will go for the lower dosage of Tren as it is my first cycle. Well first proper one I did run some DBols also about 5 years ago, what you mean by pros by the way?
This is what I am looking to run now as my first cycle, the idea being I follow a 20 week workout program and by the end of it my body is back to normal and I can start working out naturally again for a while before considering if I want another cycle, any input would be appreciated;
Week 1-10 (20 doses) Testosterone Enanthate 250mg Twice Weekly
Week 1-10 (20 doses) Trenbolone Enanthate 100mg Twice Weekly
Week 1-11 (22 doses) HCG 250iu Twice Weekly
Week 1-14 (28 doses) Arimidex 0.5mg Twice Weekly
Week 1-14 (28 doses) Cabergoline 0.5mg Twice Weekly
Week 13-16 Nolvadex 40\30\20\10 mg per day
Week 13-17 Clomid 100\50\50\50\25 mg per day
Week 14-18 Albuterol 8\16\16\8 mg per day
Week 14-18 Ketotifen 1\2\2\1 mg per day
ye mine is only a 10 week cycle on the actual test and tren, are you upping because the myostate reduces gains after 8 weeks then or are there other reasons behind that?
Well there are way more experienced people on here to ask. There is also a few post that talk about that already. I finished my first cycle out at 10 weeks and did up everything I had on hand. I just didn’t want it sitting around the house.
I cant seem to find a thread that directly compares gains and most people seem to think they don’t see the drop off so I think I will continue as planned at 10 weeks.
I’m sorry but I run 16 week cycles and I see gains all the way through the 16 weeks and even 2-3 later with a long ester drug. I dont know where all this 8 week talk all of a sudden came from but sounds like a alot of bro science. Sure maybe your body tries to catch up and the gains slow but the only reason you would just stop gaining at a magical number of 8 weeks is if you just stop eating at 8 weeks. Just saying.
[quote]Reed wrote:
I’m sorry but I run 16 week cycles and I see gains all the way through the 16 weeks and even 2-3 later with a long ester drug. I dont know where all this 8 week talk all of a sudden came from but sounds like a alot of bro science. Sure maybe your body tries to catch up and the gains slow but the only reason you would just stop gaining at a magical number of 8 weeks is if you just stop eating at 8 weeks. Just saying. [/quote]
Same here. I’ve run 12-16 weekers and notice gains throughout. Im sure after a given time your gains will slow but it’s not like they will all of a sudden stop if you don’t add or up dosages.
[quote]Reed wrote:
I’m sorry but I run 16 week cycles and I see gains all the way through the 16 weeks and even 2-3 later with a long ester drug. I dont know where all this 8 week talk all of a sudden came from but sounds like a alot of bro science. Sure maybe your body tries to catch up and the gains slow but the only reason you would just stop gaining at a magical number of 8 weeks is if you just stop eating at 8 weeks. Just saying. [/quote]
Same here. I’ve run 12-16 weekers and notice gains throughout. Im sure after a given time your gains will slow but it’s not like they will all of a sudden stop if you don’t add or up dosages. [/quote]
I mean if this were the case wouldn’t lifetime Trt be almost pointless. If after 8 weeks of 200mg test week had to be bumped 250 and then after 8 weeks to 300 people would be running a gram a week in under 2 years just to try and stay at base line… This is obviously nit what happens.
Sorry for the intrusion guys, just picked the pinning forum as its most relevant, im starting my 1st cycle next week with TEST SUST and D-bol ( know its not the best but its what i got), Reading test Nation has helped me with everything needed to know,
Just 1 thing, i want to know if its ok to inject into the quad throughout my cycle which is approximately 10 weeks depending on satisfaction… i dont have the confidence to pinpoint the exact areas in the shoulder or hip and heard the glute is most painless…
sorry if this question pissed any of the vets off, but signed up just for this question, as it has helped me alot, i have done plenty research, just want to hear from u
Perfectly fine if your not pinning that many times a week. I wouldn’t pin the same spot more than once weekly for a first time cycle. Also just a to think on thing my delts handle pinning far better than my quads on a pain level for what ever reason.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Stupid insane night sweats. Seriously so bad I have put a plastic sheet under my regular sheets so it doesn’t ruin the mattress. I also have a plastic liner over my pillow for the same reason.
I also have insane insomnia those two nights. Seriously I take 10mg Melatonin, Ibueprophen PM, Unisom, 50mg Tramadol and wash all down with a bit of Nyquil and if I sleep 3 hours that night I’m pretty happy.
I dont believe in the “Roid Rage” thing but, I have experienced something pretty close to it on multiple occasions and only between this 48 hour window.
I have mentioned it before but, during this time it is literally almost impossible and I don’t care what the motivation for me to ejaculate… I swear to god ask the wife in her log if you want. She may be able to give a better description of this period and probably has picked up on even more subtle sides. Also fair to mention I had these sides on a much smaller spectrum when I was pinning 2-3 times a week. Now that I am pinning all 750 in one day the Sides are much more noticeable good and bad.
What’s weird to me is that I pin on Monday night about 8 by Thursday mid day the sweats, insomnia, sex problems or not a problem how ever you see it and my temper are completely back to normal. I love Tren but, Jesu[/quote]
