yeah i dont think my muscle is going to destroy itself from doing heavy lifts twice a week, but then again if the average person whos been lifting for 10 years knew now what they knew then they usually couldve made the same progress in 2. …im just trying to learn as much as i can and do what is going to be most beneficial for the purpose of making my time worthwhile and my gains equal to the time ive invested.
just cause something works, doesnt mean it couldnt work better, thats all.
I think the body type to determine training thing works to a certain point…normally endomorphs can count on needing to work hard and cut calories, and ectomorphs can count on needing to up calories and get plenty of rest.
Other than that I don’t think there’s any science behind it. The scientific (and training community, I thought) consensus seems to be that the body type is very mutable…put Thibaudeau in a room with bread and water and he’ll be an ectomorph. Feed a mesomorph absolute shit food and he’ll be an endo-mesomorph.
I mean, conditions determine body type as well as genes.
Some endo-mesomorphs have an easy time losing fat once they try. Some ectomorphs put on muscle faster than anyone once they up their calories.
I don’t believe in blanket recommendations based on what amounts to the way someone looks due to a variety of factors that aren’t necessarily worth determining.
[quote]Tanizaki wrote:
I have no anger.[/quote]
HAHAHA someone found the edit button!! So what happened to the second part of your post there? I’m just bust’en your balls man, but that is pretty funny.
[quote]conwict wrote:
I think the body type to determine training thing works to a certain point…normally endomorphs can count on needing to work hard and cut calories, and ectomorphs can count on needing to up calories and get plenty of rest.
Other than that I don’t think there’s any science behind it. The scientific (and training community, I thought) consensus seems to be that the body type is very mutable…put Thibaudeau in a room with bread and water and he’ll be an ectomorph. Feed a mesomorph absolute shit food and he’ll be an endo-mesomorph.
I mean, conditions determine body type as well as genes.
Some endo-mesomorphs have an easy time losing fat once they try. Some ectomorphs put on muscle faster than anyone once they up their calories.
I don’t believe in blanket recommendations based on what amounts to the way someone looks due to a variety of factors that aren’t necessarily worth determining.[/quote]
I think you pretty much nailed it.
Looking at the 12/3/07 workout log, it starts off:
"A T-bar rowing chest supported Start at 6-8 reps
2 sets 120 sec. rest 2-0-1-2 tempo
Adjust: Triple rest/pause and drop (see note)
Weight: 90 lbs
Reps: Set1: 8, 8, 6, 7, 9, 10
Triple rest/pause + drop = reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure; drop 50% reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure; drop 50% reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure"
So there are basically 6 mini-sets in a triple rest/pause set? All mini-sets taken to failure?
Am I reading this correctly? Bizzarre went to failure on the first mini-set (8 reps), and then duplicated his prior performance (8 reps) after only 10 seconds? This seems very unlikely.
Then, even though he could only do 6 reps on the 3rd mini-set to failure, he managed to do more reps on the 4th mini-set? This seems unexpected but plausible.
What am I missing?
Question: the drop 50%. Does that mean drop weight? If he starts with 90lbs, does he then drop it to 45lbs? Or am I wrong here?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Question: the drop 50%. Does that mean drop weight? If he starts with 90lbs, does he then drop it to 45lbs? Or am I wrong here?[/quote]
Yup. You’re right.
[quote]dfi wrote:
Looking at the 12/3/07 workout log, it starts off:
"A T-bar rowing chest supported Start at 6-8 reps
2 sets 120 sec. rest 2-0-1-2 tempo
Adjust: Triple rest/pause and drop (see note)
Weight: 90 lbs
Reps: Set1: 8, 8, 6, 7, 9, 10
Triple rest/pause + drop = reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure; drop 50% reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure; drop 50% reps to failure; rest 10 sec; reps to failure"
So there are basically 6 mini-sets in a triple rest/pause set? All mini-sets taken to failure?
Am I reading this correctly? Bizzarre went to failure on the first mini-set (8 reps), and then duplicated his prior performance (8 reps) after only 10 seconds? This seems very unlikely.[/quote]
Well it is likely, I did the same thing myself yesterday. Stop thinking about shit and train!
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Well it is likely, I did the same thing myself yesterday. Stop thinking about shit and train!
[/quote]
I’m only speaking from personal experience. I’ve performed multiple drop sets to failure; for me, it can be difficult to match the reps of the first set. When sets are performed to failure in the 6-8 rep range, even with a minute rest, it can be a battle to match the first set’s reps. I’ve noticed this in my past training partners as well.
That’s the basis for my question. Of course, you and Bizzarre could very well recover much faster between sets, even when going balls to the wall.
As for the last comment - I guess I do think too much. I should stop augmenting my already high post count on a weightlifting forum, and go train instead.
[quote]dfi wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Well it is likely, I did the same thing myself yesterday. Stop thinking about shit and train!
I’m only speaking from personal experience. I’ve performed multiple drop sets to failure; for me, it can be difficult to match the reps of the first set. When sets are performed to failure in the 6-8 rep range, even with a minute rest, it can be a battle to match the first set’s reps. I’ve noticed this in my past training partners as well.
That’s the basis for my question. Of course, you and Bizzarre could very well recover much faster between sets, even when going balls to the wall.
As for the last comment - I guess I do think too much. I should stop augmenting my already high post count on a weightlifting forum, and go train instead.[/quote]
Lol ok, I may of been a bit harsh, but what I’m saying is you can’t really analyse someone else’s reps range unless you are in a similar position yourself, or have trained people like that. A powerlifter wouldn’t be able to duplicate a 2RM or something 10 seconds later, so I can see what you are saying.
On paper, the reps he performs doesn’t really seem plausible, but in the gym it’s a lot different.