I’m running something very similar as a ‘cruise’ and enjoying it, FWIW.
105mg Test C
210mg Mast E
52.5mg NPP
NPP was added because Mast had my dick so sensitive that I was nutting early, but I wanted to keep dosage so low that I had nothing to worry about for mental sides. Don’t need all that nonsense coming back.
Well, the oil volume won’t be fun. I did this with Deca and started getting some very unpleasant intrusive thoughts that had absolutely no basis in reality. Use with caution.
Oh, I also had 80mg Test with 600mg Deca and had gyno symptoms, so be wary with estrogen.
Intent with nandrolone is to see if I can better use androgens without test-level aromatization. At a crossroads with it.
I quite enjoy fewer emotional spikes, less “adrenaline”, reduction in joint pain, less bloating, and less distraction during sex. I am growing to miss the drive, motivation, emotional highs, and sexual sensitivity.
Many reports of joint pain reduction at nandrolone doses 100mg/wk and below, many reports of excessive chill or depression at higher nandrolone doses.
Many reports of enhanced mood and sexual sensitivity at sub-blast Masteron doses and currently without a DHT derivative. Did very well with Anavar. Many indications Masteron synergizes with test to reduce its aromatization as well as offering little itself.
Then add test back to give the body a low-standard dose of its native hormone to interact with the Masteron overtop of whatever lowest dose of nandrolone keeps the ankles moving.
Interesting you’re doing something so similar already. Maybe I’ll call it the andrewgen protocol.
I think there is a lot of validity to the reports of reductions in dopamine and serotonin with nandrolone.
Talk to me like I’m totally new here. What’s Masteron and what does it do to your dick?
I’ve been trying to figure out how to replace some of the DHT in my body in a very controlled way. I had been considering HCG but that’s kinda messy. Is Mast basically DHT?
Thanks guys. Sorry for the ignorance. Google and Reddit didn’t give me a straight answer.
Well, it does nothing to your dick but it makes you want to use it more. For ME, it made mine more sensitive - as in, everything felt better… so I’d nut faster.
I asked around, literally no one has had that experience but me, apparently. I added a light dose of NPP as it made busting quite laborious at high doses, and it reduced some sensitivity.
It’s a synthetic form of DHT so yes.
Aimed at me or OP?
Gotta have an estrogen base, even if only a small one.
For me, I’d be getting 0 estrogen without test.
Dude. I am on the edge of my seat to hear about your lab results.
You were posting posting posting about your mental and physical state and I’m curious how you feel now. When you post, will you do another head to toe rundown of your symptoms?
To be more specific: I like to write, experience, think, describe, debate etc… but there hasn’t been much new. I just dont want to turn my journal into a low frequency thought dump. I also change my mind and encounter circumstances that take me away from plans. I dont want to share every last concern, thought, or action I take because my experience won’t be coherent enough to be worth sharing.
Current: nandrolone taught me a lot, and many of the effects are amazing and different as a hormone base compared to testosterone, but the carpal tunnel and anorgasmia are too much for me to keep riding with it. I may introduce it later at low dose as NPP.
*pramipexole seems to address some of the sexual distancing, but a ugl dopamine agonist isn’t something I want as a regular part of my life
Unless the body has another way of generating DHT through mechanisms other than testosterone production, there will be no DHT on a nandrolone only protocol.
There are other individuals who understand this far better than I do, but nandrolone is not a DHT, therefore it does not act as a DHT.
Andrew I was on TRT a few years back after a weird illness wrecked my hormone profile. Was given the option of Clomid Mono or TRT and went the TRT route. Doc wanted me on 200 test and 5000 HCG. My body wasnt vibing with the HCG the doc Rx but I felt much better on the test cyp alone. I ran 125mg as I wanted to start low and did this for 18 months. I am an ex athlete staring down midddle age, and decided to run 200 primo on top of the TRT as the TRT had my body repaired but mentally and from a mood standpoint I was kinda meh. After 18 months of this my Tot test was 1100, E was 22, and SHBG was low. Lipid profile looked fine and no elevated liver values etc. I came off TRT to become fertile again and now Id like to get back on, but tweak the protocol for a mood and libido boost. It might sounds strnge but after the illness I didnt feel mentally sharp and at times my cognition was slow. My guess is this was due to my low test and low e prior to TRT
Would a low dose mast add on to a 125-150mg test be a good idea? 50mg/wk?
What about Test and Primo like last time with a low dose add on?
Or … would proviron be a good choice? Dose recommendations? thanks in advance
Well, I’d rather not detail OP’s thread but since libido was a hot topic in here…
I would start one compound at a time. If you did fine on Primo, you’ll still probably do fine on Primo. But Mast and Primo do more or less the same things, so do some research and make a judgement call. I’ve heard both will increase libido but can only speak to Masteron.
I have never had low libido issues - if anything it has always been the opposite; I don’t know how big a grain of salt you should take with this information, but keep that in mind.
Either would be fine but I’m doubtful you will feel or notice much of a difference on 50mg of either Primo or Mast. Both are very mild. I am not taking Mast for a libido boost or health - I’m doing bodybuilder stuff.
FWIW, the HCG was dosed crazy high for this. A starting dose to regain fertility is 1500/wk; it is not surprising you had issues with this.
This was the dose the urologist Rx me when my inital bloodwork during the illness came back and the Test was 90 and Estrogen was 7. So that was his attempt to right the ship when my hormones were so low
Funny thing is, when I went in 4 years later to talk to a fertility specialist (female doc) I told her I was likely shut down and needed to do a sperm analysis and then asked her if the numbers are low should I try clomid or HCG as the best path forward for quick fertiluty. The doc had no idea what HCG was. She literally googled it as I sat there. One of the most prestigious medical centers in the US … thats why I am so glad to have resources like this forum to discuss these topics. Our medical system is scary at times
I took 25mg clomid for 45 days and regained fert 3 months later
End of experiment then?
Sorry to say it again : there is no such a thing as a miraculous hormone, especially when the goal is not well defined, or let me say, subjective.
IMHO you might benefit from mental health counseling.
This is your first post in my journal that I can see, so I don’t know what you’re saying to me “again.” No one asserted the existence of a magic hormone, the entire journal is about the nuance between replacement choices. This isn’t a forum to inquire about therapy, which I’ve had a lot of as proactive self-care (if you had asked), and the content I’d like to discuss here is hormone therapy. IMHO all people might benefit from mental health counseling, but you might benefit from some etiquette, too.
Fair enough! I admit that I got lost and thought I had already posted here.
My allusion about it being the end of the experiment is simply because the thread is about “Nandrolone Only”, so, reading that it is too much to keep riding with it, made me think you are putting an end.
I am all ears regarding etiquette.
Thanks for that reply. No worries. Yeah I think end of the experiment. Id be willing to try it again another time at a higher dose if I was single and didnt have a physical job. There are a lot of positives, and no, not a lot of clear etiology as to why. If someone isn’t prone to carpal tunnel and has a naturally high sex drive and suffers from premature ejaculation this is a god compound in my opinion lol. Lots of guys like that. Describing it not working out 100% for me might mean someone else identifies with that in a way that lets it work 90-100% for them.
I’m most curious about your estrogen levels. There is some debate out there between a camp that say that “Deca aromatizes 1/5 that of Testosterone” and another camp that says it doesn’t aromatize at all. Seems like you’d be in a living hell if you didn’t have any estrogen so I’m curious how much you have.
For the me sexual distancing and anorgasmia you mentioned is my biggest hurdle. May be game over but I am also curious if it could be mitigated by some DHT. Thank you for keeping this experiment pure and reporting back the way you do.