I was able to get back on the incline barbell press this week. I increased the weight by 10 pounds on each set. The CEE seems to be working very nicely. No bloat or stomach discomfort. The only negative is the battery acid taste. Does anyone know what 5g of CEE would be equivalent to in g of Creatine Monohydrate? For example 5g of CEE would equal 10g of Creatine Monohydrate. I speaking in terms of absorption.
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I was able to get back on the incline barbell press this week. I increased the weight by 10 pounds on each set. The CEE seems to be working very nicely. No bloat or stomach discomfort. The only negative is the battery acid taste. Does anyone know what 5g of CEE would be equivalent to in g of Creatine Monohydrate? For example 5g of CEE would equal 10g of Creatine Monohydrate. I speaking in terms of absorption.
What type of CEE are you taking?
Are you taking any tribulus?[/quote]
I using Higher Power CEE. It is very cost efficient. I am not taking tribulus but I have started taking clomid.
I “officially” plateaued out on box squats. I had the mind set of changing them before this workout but decided to stick with them and work on my technique more. I was thinking of going to regular squats but they are a bitch to keep the ROM full. Once the weight gets heavier, it is very difficult to tell if you are going at least parallel on all of your reps. The box guarantees this. When you use predominantly free weights, you don’t have a lot of substitutes for the squat. I practiced some good mornings, at the end of the workout, with an empty bar. Maybe good mornings and low box squats would be a good combo.
[quote]SLERG wrote:
I was going to do a Phera-Plex cycle this spring, I just finished using Novedex-XT(Gaspari), it`s fairly mild, and seems to benefit you as much or more after your finished taking it, as it does while your taking it?! Has anyone tried the Alpha Male after the Phera-Plex cycle?[/quote]
I ended a PP cycle 3 weeks ago that went like so:
Week 1 - 10mg ED
Week 2 - 20mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 30mg ED
Results:
My libido during the cycle went through the roof! No testicular atrophy; actually no negative sides whatsoever. My body comp seemed to change for the better. My muscles had a harder, more vascular look. I felt very strong mentally and physically. I also felt great especially the last 2 wks at 30mg ED. The feeling of wellbeing was what I would imagine a Dbol or GH cycle to be like. I also gained 10 lbs LBM
PCT:
Alpha Male and 900mg 6-OXO ED X 2 wks. Will complete PCT with 6-OXO 600mg ED for the last 2 weeks of PCT. No loss of libido although it has decreased slightly post cycle. I’ve also lost about 4 lbs since going off cycle. However muscle density and vascularity unchanged. Still making increases in strength, I’ve never been stronger.
I’m no kid either, I’m 48 y/o! This is my first experience with anything resembling a steroid or prohormone in my entire training life of almost 35 yrs!
I think my biggest mistake was taking too little for too long; 10mg ED was like taking nothing. At 20mg ED I started to feel a difference and at 30mg I felt strong and horny as a double-dicked Billy Goat, LOL.
Next PP cycle I will use as follows:
Week 1 - 20mg ED
Week 2 - 30mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 40mg ED
And I plan to PCT as before.
I “officially” plateaued out on box squats. I had the mind set of changing them before this workout but decided to stick with them and work on my technique more. I was thinking of going to regular squats but they are a bitch to keep the ROM full. Once the weight gets heavier, it is very difficult to tell if you are going at least parallel on all of your reps. The box guarantees this. When you use predominantly free weights, you don’t have a lot of substitutes for the squat. I practiced some good mornings, at the end of the workout, with an empty bar. Maybe good mornings and low box squats would be a good combo.
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papi,
I think the reason you “officially plateaued” is because you’re doing Box Squats in the first place. They’re great for beginners using low weight and learning the movement, but I wouldn’t recommend them for long term. There are lots of alternatives to Box Squats if you’re opposed to Back Squats. Personally I hate Box Squats. I squat very heavy and am afraid of herniating a disk in my lower back coming down too hard on the box.
Don’t you have a mirror by the squat/power rack? Get someone to spot you and then do Back Squats. Try Barbell Hack Squats, Front Squats and Overhead Squats just to change things up.
[quote]assbuster wrote:
SLERG wrote:
I was going to do a Phera-Plex cycle this spring, I just finished using Novedex-XT(Gaspari), it`s fairly mild, and seems to benefit you as much or more after your finished taking it, as it does while your taking it?! Has anyone tried the Alpha Male after the Phera-Plex cycle?
I ended a PP cycle 3 weeks ago that went like so:
Week 1 - 10mg ED
Week 2 - 20mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 30mg ED
Results:
My libido during the cycle went through the roof! No testicular atrophy; actually no negative sides whatsoever. My body comp seemed to change for the better. My muscles had a harder, more vascular look. I felt very strong mentally and physically. I also felt great especially the last 2 wks at 30mg ED. The feeling of wellbeing was what I would imagine a Dbol or GH cycle to be like. I also gained 10 lbs LBM
PCT:
Alpha Male and 900mg 6-OXO ED X 2 wks. Will complete PCT with 6-OXO 600mg ED for the last 2 weeks of PCT. No loss of libido although it has decreased slightly post cycle. I’ve also lost about 4 lbs since going off cycle. However muscle density and vascularity unchanged. Still making increases in strength, I’ve never been stronger.
I’m no kid either, I’m 48 y/o! This is my first experience with anything resembling a steroid or prohormone in my entire training life of almost 35 yrs!
I think my biggest mistake was taking too little for too long; 10mg ED was like taking nothing. At 20mg ED I started to feel a difference and at 30mg I felt strong and horny as a double-dicked Billy Goat, LOL.
Next PP cycle I will use as follows:
Week 1 - 20mg ED
Week 2 - 30mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 40mg ED
And I plan to PCT as before.
A.B.[/quote]
I’ll probably have to give the stuff a try. Did you take any liver protectants? Any post cycle blood work? What did your key strength stats look like?
For your next cycle, you may want to do some research before going to 40mg. Just my thoughts.
I’ll probably have to give the stuff a try. Did you take any liver protectants? Any post cycle blood work? What did your key strength stats look like?
For your next cycle, you may want to do some research before going to 40mg. Just my thoughts.
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I didn’t use liver protectants and my blood work came back WNL. I had a checkup last week, 2 weeks post cycle.
Now let me elaborate a little about the liver protection. I don’t drink alcohol or take any NSAIDs or any other medications of any kind, prescription or OTC. I have a very clean diet. I also take various supps to prevent most liver problems. The cycle I was on was only for 4 weeks, not 8 or longer like some people.
I know guys that practically live on Dianabol year round and have no real problems other than some water retention and testicular atrophy. This stuff isn’t nearly as rough as Dbol from what I’ve been told although I have no first hand experience with Dbol.
As far as the 40mg ED I happen to have access to an Anabolic Extreme insider on another board who has told me their research shows that PP is reasonably safe at up to 50mg ed, but as with most supps they are gearing it to the “average” user so they err on the side of caution when they make the dosing recommendations in their literature. If you have any sides then either scale back or discontinue usage all together.
As far as strength stats go I noticed a little difference but mostly in motivation and endurance. I could train harder and longer than without it. I would attack the weights like a wild annimal for nearly every workout during the last 2 weeks of my cycle.
Good luck with it and please let me know if it helps you meet your goals.
This entire thread is a joke. A so-called ‘training guru’ who can barely do box squats with 225lbs? and thats after using that shit for 8 weeks! what a joke!
If anything it just tells people to say away from this junk that website is putting out. I get a lot of people pming who are have major difficulties with recovery from these ‘cycles’ My advice is stick to the known compounds - they may be only attainable by black market means, but at least there is peer-reviewed research out there on these products,and they arn’t just some junk cooked up in a bathtub, with the express interest in getting around legal loopholes to make money off mainly highschoolers and teenagers - who seem to be their easiest prey.
I think the reason you “officially plateaued” is because you’re doing Box Squats in the first place. They’re great for beginners using low weight and learning the movement, but I wouldn’t recommend them for long term. There are lots of alternatives to Box Squats if you’re opposed to Back Squats. Personally I hate Box Squats. I squat very heavy and am afraid of herniating a disk in my lower back coming down too hard on the box.
Don’t you have a mirror by the squat/power rack? Get someone to spot you and then do Back Squats. Try Barbell Hack Squats, Front Squats and Overhead Squats just to change things up.
My $0.02.
A.B.
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WHAT!?! Maybe you need to inform the Westside bunch about this, wouldn’t want to see Dave Tate and crew have back problems! (bunch of beginners)
I’ll probably have to give the stuff a try. Did you take any liver protectants? Any post cycle blood work? What did your key strength stats look like?
For your next cycle, you may want to do some research before going to 40mg. Just my thoughts.
I didn’t use liver protectants and my blood work came back WNL. I had a checkup last week, 2 weeks post cycle.
Now let me elaborate a little about the liver protection. I don’t drink alcohol or take any NSAIDs or any other medications of any kind, prescription or OTC. I have a very clean diet. I also take various supps to prevent most liver problems. The cycle I was on was only for 4 weeks, not 8 or longer like some people.
I know guys that practically live on Dianabol year round and have no real problems other than some water retention and testicular atrophy. This stuff isn’t nearly as rough as Dbol from what I’ve been told although I have no first hand experience with Dbol.
As far as the 40mg ED I happen to have access to an Anabolic Extreme insider on another board who has told me their research shows that PP is reasonably safe at up to 50mg ed, but as with most supps they are gearing it to the “average” user so they err on the side of caution when they make the dosing recommendations in their literature. If you have any sides then either scale back or discontinue usage all together.
As far as strength stats go I noticed a little difference but mostly in motivation and endurance. I could train harder and longer than without it. I would attack the weights like a wild annimal for nearly every workout during the last 2 weeks of my cycle.
Good luck with it and please let me know if it helps you meet your goals.
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I don’t understand the acronym WNL relating to blook work. Can you explain it to me?
WHAT!?! Maybe you need to inform the Westside bunch about this, wouldn’t want to see Dave Tate and crew have back problems! (bunch of beginners)[/quote]
No disrespect meant towards Tate or the Westside guys. Just my opinion is all and I respectfully disagree with doing heavy box squats because I believe they are dangerous when done with heavy weight. I’ve seen the injuries firsthand.
Let me ask you a question… If Tate told you slamming your dick in the door 10 times for 3 sets 3 times a week would make it bigger then you’d probably do it because Dave Tate and the Westside guys said it was a very effect means of dick hypertrophy.
Try doing a box squat with 475 plus and come down a little too fast on the box is all I’m saying. I’ll be glad to send you; Tate or any of the Westside guys a card while recovering from the back surgery.
The military is looking for guys just like you who will blindly follow their leaders unquestionably. The Marines are looking for guys like you right now. Why don’t you go sign up?
EDIT to post: I checked your profile after this post and you ARE millitary which explains your post. Am I good or what? LOL
Enough hijacking… Let’s now return to the actual thread regarding Phera Plex. If you wish to continue this debate let’s either take it PM or start a new thread debating Box Squats.
[quote]assbuster wrote:
SLERG wrote:
I was going to do a Phera-Plex cycle this spring, I just finished using Novedex-XT(Gaspari), it`s fairly mild, and seems to benefit you as much or more after your finished taking it, as it does while your taking it?! Has anyone tried the Alpha Male after the Phera-Plex cycle?
I ended a PP cycle 3 weeks ago that went like so:
Week 1 - 10mg ED
Week 2 - 20mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 30mg ED
Results:
My libido during the cycle went through the roof! No testicular atrophy; actually no negative sides whatsoever. My body comp seemed to change for the better. My muscles had a harder, more vascular look. I felt very strong mentally and physically. I also felt great especially the last 2 wks at 30mg ED. The feeling of wellbeing was what I would imagine a Dbol or GH cycle to be like. I also gained 10 lbs LBM
PCT:
Alpha Male and 900mg 6-OXO ED X 2 wks. Will complete PCT with 6-OXO 600mg ED for the last 2 weeks of PCT. No loss of libido although it has decreased slightly post cycle. I’ve also lost about 4 lbs since going off cycle. However muscle density and vascularity unchanged. Still making increases in strength, I’ve never been stronger.
I’m no kid either, I’m 48 y/o! This is my first experience with anything resembling a steroid or prohormone in my entire training life of almost 35 yrs!
I think my biggest mistake was taking too little for too long; 10mg ED was like taking nothing. At 20mg ED I started to feel a difference and at 30mg I felt strong and horny as a double-dicked Billy Goat, LOL.
Next PP cycle I will use as follows:
Week 1 - 20mg ED
Week 2 - 30mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 40mg ED
And I plan to PCT as before.
A.B.[/quote]
Nice!! Thanks for the info. I`m almost 45yrs. old, like you, I think this is a great way to keep us old guys in the game!! Peace
[quote]assbuster wrote:
SLERG wrote:
I was going to do a Phera-Plex cycle this spring, I just finished using Novedex-XT(Gaspari), it`s fairly mild, and seems to benefit you as much or more after your finished taking it, as it does while your taking it?! Has anyone tried the Alpha Male after the Phera-Plex cycle?
I ended a PP cycle 3 weeks ago that went like so:
Week 1 - 10mg ED
Week 2 - 20mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 30mg ED
Results:
My libido during the cycle went through the roof! No testicular atrophy; actually no negative sides whatsoever. My body comp seemed to change for the better. My muscles had a harder, more vascular look. I felt very strong mentally and physically. I also felt great especially the last 2 wks at 30mg ED. The feeling of wellbeing was what I would imagine a Dbol or GH cycle to be like. I also gained 10 lbs LBM
PCT:
Alpha Male and 900mg 6-OXO ED X 2 wks. Will complete PCT with 6-OXO 600mg ED for the last 2 weeks of PCT. No loss of libido although it has decreased slightly post cycle. I’ve also lost about 4 lbs since going off cycle. However muscle density and vascularity unchanged. Still making increases in strength, I’ve never been stronger.
I’m no kid either, I’m 48 y/o! This is my first experience with anything resembling a steroid or prohormone in my entire training life of almost 35 yrs!
I think my biggest mistake was taking too little for too long; 10mg ED was like taking nothing. At 20mg ED I started to feel a difference and at 30mg I felt strong and horny as a double-dicked Billy Goat, LOL.
Next PP cycle I will use as follows:
Week 1 - 20mg ED
Week 2 - 30mg ED
Weeks 3 & 4 - 40mg ED
And I plan to PCT as before.
A.B.[/quote]
Make sure to get your blood pressure checked. Mine went through the roof.
Make sure to get your blood pressure checked. Mine went through the roof.
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That was a concern of mine too. However I had it checked frequently throughout the cycle and the highest it ever was, was 132/78. My normal is around 124/70 so not too bad huh?
I know it sounds like I’m endorsing this product and I guess in a way I am. I was very impressed with the results of this “legal” OTC product. I used it because I didn’t want to resort to blackmarket gear and put my freedom and family at risk.
It really seems to deliver on its promises. I have had numerous disappointments from other supplements that made these kinds of claims in the past and never came close to delivering.
I’m just relating my personal experience with 1 cycle of the stuff. My next cycle could be a totally different experience.
I respect the opinions of others on here who feel it’s not for them for whatever reasons and to those guys I wish you the best in health. I just hope if you’re going to put it down at least do it from the standpoint of having tried it and not based on supposition.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
This entire thread is a joke. A so-called ‘training guru’ who can barely do box squats with 225lbs? and thats after using that shit for 8 weeks! what a joke!
If anything it just tells people to say away from this junk that website is putting out. I get a lot of people pming who are have major difficulties with recovery from these ‘cycles’ My advice is stick to the known compounds - they may be only attainable by black market means, but at least there is peer-reviewed research out there on these products,and they arn’t just some junk cooked up in a bathtub, with the express interest in getting around legal loopholes to make money off mainly highschoolers and teenagers - who seem to be their easiest prey.
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Not everyone has your strength. The people getting fucked up are mostly kids who don’t listen and I get the same PM’s.
This thread is a valliant attempt at education, which you seem to have a problem with.
The fact that you think this thread is a joke, makes your post a joke to me.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
This entire thread is a joke. A so-called ‘training guru’ who can barely do box squats with 225lbs? and thats after using that shit for 8 weeks! what a joke!
If anything it just tells people to say away from this junk that website is putting out. I get a lot of people pming who are have major difficulties with recovery from these ‘cycles’ My advice is stick to the known compounds - they may be only attainable by black market means, but at least there is peer-reviewed research out there on these products,and they arn’t just some junk cooked up in a bathtub, with the express interest in getting around legal loopholes to make money off mainly highschoolers and teenagers - who seem to be their easiest prey.
Not everyone has your strength. The people getting fucked up are mostly kids who don’t listen and I get the same PM’s.
This thread is a valliant attempt at education, which you seem to have a problem with.
The fact that you think this thread is a joke, makes your post a joke to me.
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The concern I have is that there are people actually using this junk to begin with. There is absolutely no credible research behind these compounds, except for that pushed out by the producers. Another concern is the generally held contention on these boards that there are actually ‘herbal’ supplements that will ‘protect’ your liver. Complete horse sh!t, along the same lines of echinachea being good for your immune system.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
This entire thread is a joke. A so-called ‘training guru’ who can barely do box squats with 225lbs? and thats after using that shit for 8 weeks! what a joke!
If anything it just tells people to say away from this junk that website is putting out. I get a lot of people pming who are have major difficulties with recovery from these ‘cycles’ My advice is stick to the known compounds - they may be only attainable by black market means, but at least there is peer-reviewed research out there on these products,and they arn’t just some junk cooked up in a bathtub, with the express interest in getting around legal loopholes to make money off mainly highschoolers and teenagers - who seem to be their easiest prey.
Not everyone has your strength. The people getting fucked up are mostly kids who don’t listen and I get the same PM’s.
This thread is a valliant attempt at education, which you seem to have a problem with.
The fact that you think this thread is a joke, makes your post a joke to me.
The concern I have is that there are people actually using this junk to begin with. There is absolutely no credible research behind these compounds, except for that pushed out by the producers. Another concern is the generally held contention on these boards that there are actually ‘herbal’ supplements that will ‘protect’ your liver. Complete horse sh!t, along the same lines of echinachea being good for your immune system.
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I agree with this to some extent. The biggest problem is that these companies like Anabolic X are marketing this stuff w/o letting the user know it’s actal steroids and requires a TON of other stuff to make it safer.
It’s like creating an energy drink with heroine in it and saying it gives you energy and does not tell you what it really is.