Persistent High Estrogen

I see. What would the treatment for low E2 be? If that’s what it is?

I agree but you should add popping/click joints. Low E2’s first shows up as dry joints. That is really the way to know the difference. That and a crashed E2 can give you depression, anxiety and even panic attacks. A High E2 will just make you a mood bitch like a woman on her period. There is a big difference if you pay attention.

Yeah this is doing something really bad to my body. When I orgasm there’s no cum it’s totally dry WTF is happening

Anastrozole just treats symptoms? What?

If you have high E2, use anastrozole in your protocol.
Sorted.

Check prolactin too in case that could be causing your issues with orgasm.

Many use anastrozole in TRT protocols. Don’t believe the anti AI hype.

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Yeah I didn’t mean that at all. When I had high E2 before (tested bloods) - anastrozole alleviated the water retention but not the orgasm problems. When I had high prolactin - cabergaline didn’t resolve the orgasm problems either. I’m now one day into week four since recommencing enanthate. I had one 250mg shot 3 weeks ago and another set this week (Monday and Wednesday half half). And my body is basically reacting like I’ve got hypogonadism. An endocrinologist couldn’t help me when this happened before so I am at a loss now because over the last year and a half I’ve tried everything.

I agree about the joints. My hands get so dry they start to flake (usually never deal with that in any season) and my fingers keep popping if my e2 is way too low.

But the mental stuff, anxiety and restlessness and worry, can’t fall asleep, that all happens to me if e2 is too high. If it’s crashed I can sleep 12 hours and still not want to get out of bed. I won’t feel my Subs or caffeine. Zero desire to workout or even work, and crave sugar constantly. Daily binges if e2 is low.

Crazy how we respond differently to the same hormones (or lack thereof)

I’ve got the sugar cravings and lack of desire to do anything. What’s the treatment, if it is low?

Time

Okay. In that time do I keep injecting?

Yes. Take only T then, should be better in a few days

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Okay thanks. Another thing I’ve got - and it’s come on very suddenly - is extreme testicular atrophy and my balls are soft and painful. Is that normal after this amount of T?

Would you be willing to try mesterolone? 50-100mg per day
I wonder if the problem could be low DHT? Are you maintaining erections, libido the same?

SHBG levels? Free T levels?

I don’t know. I guess if I can get my hands on it in the UK. What are the benefits?

All my bloods were normal one month ago. That was after a PCT and waiting a month.

I have no libido. Can’t get hard. When I cum it’s completely f-ing dry. My balls are shriveled up and painful. It’s really bad.

You make absolutely zero sense !! Starting to think you are trolling

What do you mean you had one 250 mg shot 3 weeks ago and another set this week half half ??? What have you injected in between those 3 weeks ???

Nothing

I’m not a bodybuilder. I take T and nothing else. I took 125mg. 3 days later I took another 125mg. Then I waited two weeks (I’m taking Testoviron which according to the label, releases over 21 days) and took another 125mg - then 3 days later another 125mg. So I’m basically following a TRT protocol - the kind that might be prescribed - but just spacing each ampoule out by around 14 days instead of 21. I’m not trolling.

I get that it’s not the done thing with bodybuilders to wait that long but it is more in-line with what the label says. Bearing in mind I’m not trying to build large amounts of muscle. I did this for a long time and had no issues whatsoever. A couple of people here have recommended proviron now. What will that do?

Yes proviron is mesterolone.

No libido etc that you described.
Get some and take 100mg a day.
I am not a doc so don’t listen to me :slight_smile:
Let us know how it goes.

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OK so you are doing a self managed TRT protocol. A very poor one if I might say.

Your symptoms are starting to make sense.
The amount of T you are injecting has shut your natural production down. This is why your ball hurt and are atrophying. In America TRT clinics give you HCG for this you take 300-400IU per week. This stops the atrophy and the pain goes away.
Lose of libido can be your body just trying to adjust to new hormone levels.

You really do need a male hormone blood panel. Everyone here who is trying to help you has to guess. Can you not afford to go buy a blood test yourself. Screw that whole government owned insurance. Go find a private clinic and buy the intro male hormone blood panel.

Thanks. I’ve done around 4 so far this year. The last one showed that I’d bounced back. I’m aware I need to do them regularly and I’ll do another, definitely. I’m just confused as to why this amount, be it large or small (that changes depending who I’m talking to) has given me problems when not so long ago it was perfect. I could handle a lot more.

If this is a poorly managed, self-managed TRT protocol…what is a good one? I HAD thought I was mid-way between label guidance for TRT and the kind of strategies recommended on here. Is it that far off the mark? Is the formal on-label guidance from docs/pharma companies that far off the mark? Like I said it differs wildly depending on who you talk to. I saw an endocrinologist both here in the UK and in Colombia last year and both dismissed PCTs saying your normal function should return when you stop (albeit with the warning that the odd unlucky guy ends up impotent for life). And seeing as my problems started back in March 2020 I’m feeling like I’m that guy even when my bloods come back totally normal.