[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I aint giving Perry a pass here but doesn’t everyone have a right to repent and mend their evil ways? (I’m speaking of his switch from Gore supporting Democrat to GOP).
AND…in all fairness back in the 80s Gore was not the raving lunatic psycho-ward escapee fat fuck that he his now. In all fairness.[/quote]
No, but his wife was…She’s always been a raving lunatic.[/quote]
Pat,
May I ask how old you are?
How many Dead shows did you go to?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I agree with you about Bush and also Obama , but the Republicans are offering no better solution
[/quote]
Well, I’ll take the promise of smaller government and less taxes to the reverse. Will the republicans deliver? Who knows? But at least they start out with the right idea.[/quote]
So is taking care of the small guy [/quote]
I like the idea of taking care of the less well off. That’s why I try to give generously to charitable organizations. But would you give your money to a thief so that he could watch over it? All politics aside, we are in this economic mess because government is virtually incapable of handling the people’s money correctly. Therefore, since government is a necessary evil, I say shrink the government, and give it less to do. That way two things will be accomplished. We, at every level of the economic strata, get to keep more of our money, and government might just get a few things right if they have less of them to work on.
I humbly suggest this as an alternative to what’s been going on for the past 65 years–And I don’t care if the person who promises to do this is a republican or a democrat, rich or poor, Muslim or Mormon, Christian or Atheist, black or white. We just need it done or there won’t be much of a country left![/quote]
I can agree with your premise, how ever the Republicans are willing to shrink the top part of our economy and swell the bottom , I know it must be more complicated than that
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I agree with you about Bush and also Obama , but the Republicans are offering no better solution
[/quote]
Well, I’ll take the promise of smaller government and less taxes to the reverse. Will the republicans deliver? Who knows? But at least they start out with the right idea.[/quote]
So is taking care of the small guy [/quote]
I like the idea of taking care of the less well off. That’s why I try to give generously to charitable organizations. But would you give your money to a thief so that he could watch over it? All politics aside, we are in this economic mess because government is virtually incapable of handling the people’s money correctly. Therefore, since government is a necessary evil, I say shrink the government, and give it less to do. That way two things will be accomplished. We, at every level of the economic strata, get to keep more of our money, and government might just get a few things right if they have less of them to work on.
I humbly suggest this as an alternative to what’s been going on for the past 65 years–And I don’t care if the person who promises to do this is a republican or a democrat, rich or poor, Muslim or Mormon, Christian or Atheist, black or white. We just need it done or there won’t be much of a country left![/quote]
I can agree with your premise, how ever the Republicans are willing to shrink the top part of our economy and swell the bottom , I know it must be more complicated than that[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow. Could you explain further what you mean?
Thanks.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I agree with you about Bush and also Obama , but the Republicans are offering no better solution
[/quote]
Well, I’ll take the promise of smaller government and less taxes to the reverse. Will the republicans deliver? Who knows? But at least they start out with the right idea.[/quote]
So is taking care of the small guy [/quote]
I like the idea of taking care of the less well off. That’s why I try to give generously to charitable organizations. But would you give your money to a thief so that he could watch over it? All politics aside, we are in this economic mess because government is virtually incapable of handling the people’s money correctly. Therefore, since government is a necessary evil, I say shrink the government, and give it less to do. That way two things will be accomplished. We, at every level of the economic strata, get to keep more of our money, and government might just get a few things right if they have less of them to work on.
I humbly suggest this as an alternative to what’s been going on for the past 65 years–And I don’t care if the person who promises to do this is a republican or a democrat, rich or poor, Muslim or Mormon, Christian or Atheist, black or white. We just need it done or there won’t be much of a country left![/quote]
I can agree with your premise, how ever the Republicans are willing to shrink the top part of our economy and swell the bottom , I know it must be more complicated than that[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow. Could you explain further what you mean?
Thanks.[/quote
The Republicans want to keep the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy and want to allow pay roll deductions for the working stiff to expire
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Republicans want to keep the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy and want to allow pay roll deductions for the working stiff to expire
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
[/quote]
Let’s first start out with the premise that neither “the rich” or the working class can succeed without each other. It is a misnomer to think that either succeeds alone. For example, the Bush tax cuts (which Obama extended as even he knew the devastating effect raising taxes would have) were not just for the rich. It was a 5% across the board tax cut for every working man and woman in the country. But it’s been so politicized that many people actually believe that it was only for the rich. Every one had the advantage of that tax cut.
As for the payroll tax. It was originally a great idea to help the average working man and I liked it. But even then I wondered why wasn’t it extended to the many small businesses that employ some 67% of the workforce? The Mom and Pop ice cream stand that employs 5 people would have benefitted from a cut as well, as employers have to match each individual employee’s payment. But politics being what it is it was not extended to cover those folks.
If it had been extended to small business as well as the working people every one would have been better off. As the small business person would have had more money to reinvest in that ice cream stand. Or, perhaps put it back into the economy by making some sort of purchase which helps working men and women in other industries. But when the government keeps I think we’ve seen how responsible that they are with our money.
The bottom line is that when small business expands then more working class people are hired. It’s one economy each dependent on the other. We need to look at this in a new way and stop railing on the other side. If it were not for hard working men and women there would be no business. If it were not for creative small business people there would be no place for people to work.
Fair enough?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Republicans want to keep the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy and want to allow pay roll deductions for the working stiff to expire
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
[/quote]
Let’s first start out with the premise that neither “the rich” or the working class can succeed without each other. It is a misnomer to think that either succeeds alone. For example, the Bush tax cuts (which Obama extended as even he knew the devastating effect raising taxes would have) were not just for the rich. It was a 5% across the board tax cut for every working man and woman in the country. But it’s been so politicized that many people actually believe that it was only for the rich. Every one had the advantage of that tax cut.
As for the payroll tax. It was originally a great idea to help the average working man and I liked it. But even then I wondered why wasn’t it extended to the many small businesses that employ some 67% of the workforce? The Mom and Pop ice cream stand that employs 5 people would have benefitted from a cut as well, as employers have to match each individual employee’s payment. But politics being what it is it was not extended to cover those folks.
If it had been extended to small business as well as the working people every one would have been better off. As the small business person would have had more money to reinvest in that ice cream stand. Or, perhaps put it back into the economy by making some sort of purchase which helps working men and women in other industries. But when the government keeps I think we’ve seen how responsible that they are with our money.
The bottom line is that when small business expands then more working class people are hired. It’s one economy each dependent on the other. We need to look at this in a new way and stop railing on the other side. If it were not for hard working men and women there would be no business. If it were not for creative small business people there would be no place for people to work.
Fair enough?[/quote]
I agree that neither can live alone , the problem is the growing disparity . The disparity is happening because of policy, tax codes and the like . The Wealthy like to mention all the different taxes we as Americans pay and I agree we pay too much tax. But when the wealthy discuss the way we devide the bill , the wealthy want us to believe that because the bottom %50 pay no income taxes that they are some how exempt from paying taxes at all.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Republicans want to keep the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy and want to allow pay roll deductions for the working stiff to expire
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
[/quote]
Let’s first start out with the premise that neither “the rich” or the working class can succeed without each other. It is a misnomer to think that either succeeds alone. For example, the Bush tax cuts (which Obama extended as even he knew the devastating effect raising taxes would have) were not just for the rich. It was a 5% across the board tax cut for every working man and woman in the country. But it’s been so politicized that many people actually believe that it was only for the rich. Every one had the advantage of that tax cut.
As for the payroll tax. It was originally a great idea to help the average working man and I liked it. But even then I wondered why wasn’t it extended to the many small businesses that employ some 67% of the workforce? The Mom and Pop ice cream stand that employs 5 people would have benefitted from a cut as well, as employers have to match each individual employee’s payment. But politics being what it is it was not extended to cover those folks.
If it had been extended to small business as well as the working people every one would have been better off. As the small business person would have had more money to reinvest in that ice cream stand. Or, perhaps put it back into the economy by making some sort of purchase which helps working men and women in other industries. But when the government keeps I think we’ve seen how responsible that they are with our money.
The bottom line is that when small business expands then more working class people are hired. It’s one economy each dependent on the other. We need to look at this in a new way and stop railing on the other side. If it were not for hard working men and women there would be no business. If it were not for creative small business people there would be no place for people to work.
Fair enough?[/quote]
I agree that neither can live alone ,[/quote]
Hey my Dad was a democrat voting union man all his life. And I’ve seen first hand how hard he worked and I’d take great exception with people who claim that otherwise.
And did you know that the great disparity between rich and poor has never been greater than under President Obama? His policies are not helping the rich, the middle class, or the poor!
[quote]The Wealthy like to mention all the different taxes we as Americans pay and I agree we pay too much tax. But when the wealthy discuss the way we devide the bill , the wealthy want us to believe that because the bottom %50 pay no income taxes that they are some how exempt from paying taxes at all.
[/quote]
Did you know that the top 10% of all taxpayers pay 70% of the all taxes? Here is a report from the NTU (National Taxpayers Union) they are a non partisan group.
http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
What I would like to see is a fair flat tax. But aside from that let’s close all the loopholes for anyone making the big bucks. I think we can agree on that one.
And did you know that the great disparity between rich and poor has never been greater than under President Obama? His policies are not helping the rich, the middle class, or the poor!
[quote]
This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts
Did you know that the top 10% of all taxpayers pay 70% of the all taxes?
What I would like to see is a fair flat tax. [/quote]
The top may pay 70% of the taxes but “STEWART” says the bottom 50% of people control 2% of the wealth
I may agree with your flat tax if they abolished ALL OTHER TAXES.
That guys that makes a hundred dollars a week and pay the cell phone tax of $10 compared to the guy that makes $2,500 a week it is a huge disparity
sorry i can’t work the page right 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
And did you know that the great disparity between rich and poor has never been greater than under President Obama? His policies are not helping the rich, the middle class, or the poor!
This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]
Look, I didn’t give GW Bush high grades as president. But it is time to pass the baton. Obama has been President for almost 3 years. And more importantly for 2 of those years he had a democratic majority in both houses of congress! And what did he do? Did he try hard enough to fix the economy? Come on Pit you are not an idiot, Obama now owns this mess. AND he’s only dug us in deeper by hiking the debt to over 15 Trillion.
You should be just as pissed off at Obama as I was at Bush.
Where is your non partisan outrage?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I may agree with your flat tax if they abolished ALL OTHER TAXES.
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Exactly, close every single loop hole for the rich and tax everyone at say 20%. You can send your taxes in each year on a piece of paper the size of a post card. We can all do our taxes without the help of an accountant and moreover this will also virtually eliminate many departments of the IRS.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
Screw those poor people :)[/quote]
Once again unable to see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
or do you mean unable to see things as you do ?[/quote]
No it means that you don’t want to fund Social Security or Medicare. Which is what the payroll tax pays for.
Aren’t these a couple of the Democrats pet programs?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I may agree with your flat tax if they abolished ALL OTHER TAXES.
[/quote]
Exactly, close every single loop hole for the rich and tax everyone at say 20%. You can send your taxes in each year on a piece of paper the size of a post card. We can all do our taxes without the help of an accountant and moreover this will also virtually eliminate many departments of the IRS.
[/quote]
A flat tax would be great but will never happen. We all know that once Uncle Sam gets his hands on the cash there won’t be anything doled out to the states and trickled down.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]
Obama inherited an economy that was certainly damaged in part by Bush and Republicans but he absolutely poured gas on the fire.[/quote]
It is a quandry that we will never solve , two different opinions , and I do disagree
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/22/20110822republican-payroll-tax.html#comments
Screw those poor people :)[/quote]
Once again unable to see the forest through the trees…[/quote]
or do you mean unable to see things as you do ?[/quote]
No it means that you don’t want to fund Social Security or Medicare. Which is what the payroll tax pays for.
Aren’t these a couple of the Democrats pet programs?[/quote]
While being one of those people that have paid into SS all my life , mostly in the form of self employment tax, I would like to think when I am tired of work , that I will get some of my investment back.
I personally doubt I will see it, I believe the Republicans want to farm out to Wall Street to Raid , just my humble opinion
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
And did you know that the great disparity between rich and poor has never been greater than under President Obama? His policies are not helping the rich, the middle class, or the poor!
[quote]
This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]
Look, I didn’t give GW Bush high grades as president. But it is time to pass the baton. Obama has been President for almost 3 years. And more importantly for 2 of those years he had a democratic majority in both houses of congress! And what did he do? Did he try hard enough to fix the economy? Come on Pit you are not an idiot, Obama now owns this mess. AND he’s only dug us in deeper by hiking the debt to over 15 Trillion.
You should be just as pissed off at Obama as I was at Bush.
Where is your non partisan outrage? [/quote]
I think if my outrage would do any good I would exercise it I am personally looking for a better alternative to Obama , Republicans are not doing me any good .
I will summarize my feelings on the economy , maybe they are not exact , but I do feel they are close.
Bush inherited an economy that was healthy, there was enough money to pay all the bills
( A BALANCED Budget) Bush gave big temporary tax cuts to the wealthy (Diminishing the Federal income (so to speak) Then the economy runs into the ditch further diminishing the Fed’s income .Then we elect a new President and blame everything on him.
So while I won’t vote for Obama with a better choice , my feeling are I will probably hold my nose and vote for him
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I may agree with your flat tax if they abolished ALL OTHER TAXES.
[/quote]
Exactly, close every single loop hole for the rich and tax everyone at say 20%. You can send your taxes in each year on a piece of paper the size of a post card. We can all do our taxes without the help of an accountant and moreover this will also virtually eliminate many departments of the IRS.
[/quote]
we would agree, but as some one says , it will never happen,