Perry and Immigration

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]

Obama inherited an economy that was certainly damaged in part by Bush and Republicans but he absolutely poured gas on the fire.[/quote]

It is a quandry that we will never solve , two different opinions , and I do disagree[/quote]

I bet you don’t disagree that Obama should not have run up a 15 Trillion dollar deficit. No way you’d agree to that you’re too smart.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I will summarize my feelings on the economy , maybe they are not exact , but I do feel they are close.

Bush inherited an economy that was healthy, there was enough money to pay all the bills
( A BALANCED Budget)
[/quote]

Pretty fair statement I would agree.

This is false. Why do you say it like this? We’ve covered this one. The Bush tax cuts were an across the board 5% cut for all working Americans. How does that translate to tax cuts for the wealthy. It just as easily be called tax cuts for the middle class. Come on Pitt, don’t buy into the class warfare lines. It is what it is a 5% tax cut for EVERY ONE. And moreover Obama extended them! As he should have done.

I agree with you. We can also agree that two wars were and are costly.

He ran for President with his eyes wide open, he was well aware of what he was inheriting, it was a mess. But my question to you is this, what has he done to make things better? I’m not saying that we should expect any President to heal these finanical wounds in three years, not at all. But if you look at unemployment and the HUGE 15 Trillion dollar deficit Obama has actually made things worse. I know you’re a loyal democrat but those two things cannot be denied. He was busy pushing health care when he should have been working on the economy. Especially in light of the fact that he had democrat control in both houses. Let’s be fair.

Better hold onto your wallet along with you nose. Because if Obama took every single dime from every millionaire and billionaire in the country the government would only run for something like 9 months! There are just not enough “rich” people to steal from. That means that if he should win a second term he is coming after the middle class and he’ll be doing so with a vengeance.

We cannot get out of this financial mess by hiking anyone’s taxes. We need to do two things

1-Stimulate the economy by offering small business incentives since small business employs 67% of the work force. This could be done and backed by both parties because there are no “evil” corporations involve, just Mom and Pop businesses. Both parties can put their arms around them -Right?

2-Reduce spending. And this is something that both parties have been really bad at. But Obama has been the king of bad -He has had his chance and all he’s done is INCREASE spending and run away deficits.

Think about it Pitt.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

While being one of those people that have paid into SS all my life , mostly in the form of self employment tax, I would like to think when I am tired of work , that I will get some of my investment back.

I personally doubt I will see it, I believe the Republicans want to farm out to Wall Street to Raid , just my humble opinion
[/quote]

I too am one that has paid into this my entire working life, and I do realize when I retire I will not draw SS. I look at it differently since my wife is currently drawing SSD, I like to think she is pulling the $ that I won’t ever receive.

But SS is going to run out of funds long before anybody “Raids” it to to and move it to investments.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]

Obama inherited an economy that was certainly damaged in part by Bush and Republicans but he absolutely poured gas on the fire.[/quote]

It is a quandry that we will never solve , two different opinions , and I do disagree[/quote]

I bet you don’t disagree that Obama should not have run up a 15 Trillion dollar deficit. No way you’d agree to that you’re too smart.[/quote]

I will try to keep it simple , we have a diminished income and more demand on social programs .

I personally believe some of those stimulus measures are good , infrastructure.

We are in a recession , Obama did not drive the economy in the ditch, the Republicans want
us to believe that the conditions that were in place when the economy went in the ditch would get us out , can’t see the logic there.

I got a question for you , can you remember Johnny Carson goofing on Reagan for running up our National Debt ?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I will summarize my feelings on the economy , maybe they are not exact , but I do feel they are close.

Bush inherited an economy that was healthy, there was enough money to pay all the bills
( A BALANCED Budget)
[/quote]

Pretty fair statement I would agree.

This is false. Why do you say it like this? We’ve covered this one. The Bush tax cuts were an across the board 5% cut for all working Americans. How does that translate to tax cuts for the wealthy. It just as easily be called tax cuts for the middle class. Come on Pitt, don’t buy into the class warfare lines. It is what it is a 5% tax cut for EVERY ONE. And moreover Obama extended them! As he should have done.

I agree with you. We can also agree that two wars were and are costly.

He ran for President with his eyes wide open, he was well aware of what he was inheriting, it was a mess. But my question to you is this, what has he done to make things better? I’m not saying that we should expect any President to heal these finanical wounds in three years, not at all. But if you look at unemployment and the HUGE 15 Trillion dollar deficit Obama has actually made things worse. I know you’re a loyal democrat but those two things cannot be denied. He was busy pushing health care when he should have been working on the economy. Especially in light of the fact that he had democrat control in both houses. Let’s be fair.

Better hold onto your wallet along with you nose. Because if Obama took every single dime from every millionaire and billionaire in the country the government would only run for something like 9 months! There are just not enough “rich” people to steal from. That means that if he should win a second term he is coming after the middle class and he’ll be doing so with a vengeance.

We cannot get out of this financial mess by hiking anyone’s taxes. We need to do two things

1-Stimulate the economy by offering small business incentives since small business employs 67% of the work force. This could be done and backed by both parties because there are no “evil” corporations involve, just Mom and Pop businesses. Both parties can put their arms around them -Right?

2-Reduce spending. And this is something that both parties have been really bad at. But Obama has been the king of bad -He has had his chance and all he’s done is INCREASE spending and run away deficits.

Think about it Pitt.[/quote]

You and I will have to agree to disagree , surprise :)and I do think about it

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

While being one of those people that have paid into SS all my life , mostly in the form of self employment tax, I would like to think when I am tired of work , that I will get some of my investment back.

I personally doubt I will see it, I believe the Republicans want to farm out to Wall Street to Raid , just my humble opinion
[/quote]

I too am one that has paid into this my entire working life, and I do realize when I retire I will not draw SS. I look at it differently since my wife is currently drawing SSD, I like to think she is pulling the $ that I won’t ever receive.

But SS is going to run out of funds long before anybody “Raids” it to to and move it to investments.[/quote]

I personally would be eligible in 9 years , I personally want to work until I die , but I may not be able to do that.

If the American Gov. would pay back all the money they have borrowed from it , it would probably be flush with cash .

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Funny story, and has pertinence to this topic.

President Obama’s uncle was arrested for drunk driving, hitting a police car, and being AN ILLEGAL ALIEN…

So will he be deported ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]

Obama inherited an economy that was certainly damaged in part by Bush and Republicans but he absolutely poured gas on the fire.[/quote]

It is a quandry that we will never solve , two different opinions , and I do disagree[/quote]

I bet you don’t disagree that Obama should not have run up a 15 Trillion dollar deficit. No way you’d agree to that you’re too smart.[/quote]

I will try to keep it simple , we have a diminished income and more demand on social programs .

I personally believe some of those stimulus measures are good , infrastructure.

We are in a recession , Obama did not drive the economy in the ditch, the Republicans want
us to believe that the conditions that were in place when the economy went in the ditch would get us out , can’t see the logic there.[/quote]

I am not denying that Obama inherited an economic mess. All I am saying is that he could have and should have done more. The country was behind him and he had both houses of congress run by his party!

Come on Pitt - When you are a new leader you are expected to do more than say “I didn’t create this mess Bush did.” We elected him to get us out of the mess. Did he do it? No. Did he come close? No. What did he do? He ran all over the country trying to pass yet one more entitlement program national health care.

It’s fine to be partisan, I am most of the time. But right now we cannot afford to play that game. four more years of Obama’s social experiments and we could be down the tubes. The man has NOT succeeded!!

[quote]I got a question for you , can you remember Johnny Carson goofing on Reagan for running up our National Debt ?
[/quote]

Absolutely. But keep in mind that Reagan had to deal with Tip O’ Neil and a very hostile congress that is responsible for spending money. And please don’t turn this thread into a Regan hating fest, I don’t really feel like that will help.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]

Obama inherited an economy that was certainly damaged in part by Bush and Republicans but he absolutely poured gas on the fire.[/quote]

It is a quandry that we will never solve , two different opinions , and I do disagree[/quote]

I bet you don’t disagree that Obama should not have run up a 15 Trillion dollar deficit. No way you’d agree to that you’re too smart.[/quote]

I will try to keep it simple , we have a diminished income and more demand on social programs .

I personally believe some of those stimulus measures are good , infrastructure.

We are in a recession , Obama did not drive the economy in the ditch, the Republicans want
us to believe that the conditions that were in place when the economy went in the ditch would get us out , can’t see the logic there.[/quote]

I am not denying that Obama inherited an economic mess. All I am saying is that he could have and should have done more. The country was behind him and he had both houses of congress run by his party!

Come on Pitt - When you are a new leader you are expected to do more than say “I didn’t create this mess Bush did.” We elected him to get us out of the mess. Did he do it? No. Did he come close? No. What did he do? He ran all over the country trying to pass yet one more entitlement program national health care.

It’s fine to be partisan, I am most of the time. But right now we cannot afford to play that game. four more years of Obama’s social experiments and we could be down the tubes. The man has NOT succeeded!!

[quote]I got a question for you , can you remember Johnny Carson goofing on Reagan for running up our National Debt ?
[/quote]

Absolutely. But keep in mind that Reagan had to deal with Tip O’ Neil and a very hostile congress that is responsible for spending money. And please don’t turn this thread into a Regan hating fest, I don’t really feel like that will help.[/quote]

OK Reagan is another thread :slight_smile:

I personally am not mad at Obama for the reasons you are , IMO it would not matter who was elected our economy would still be in the ditch.

I am mad at Obama for not delivering change , plain and simple

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
And did you know that the great disparity between rich and poor has never been greater than under President Obama? His policies are not helping the rich, the middle class, or the poor!

This is not a fair statement, Obama inherited this economy, that the wealthy are doing OK and the poor and working class are taking it in the shorts[/quote]

Look, I didn’t give GW Bush high grades as president. But it is time to pass the baton. Obama has been President for almost 3 years. And more importantly for 2 of those years he had a democratic majority in both houses of congress! And what did he do? Did he try hard enough to fix the economy? Come on Pit you are not an idiot, Obama now owns this mess. AND he’s only dug us in deeper by hiking the debt to over 15 Trillion.

You should be just as pissed off at Obama as I was at Bush.

Where is your non partisan outrage? [/quote]

I agree, obama could not be bothered to fix the economy because he was to busy worrying about other things. You can’t just drop a stimulus and hope it works. There are hundreds if not thousands of other areas that could have been worked on economically speaking… Examining business crippling legislation, hell there is so much inefficiency to be addressed it’s not even funny.

Well, he get’s the bed he made. He paid little attention to it and now he’s in deep shit because of it.

If they attack obama’s economic policies and propose good solutions that people can get behind then they could take the WH easily but I ain’t that dumb. This campaign is going to be vicious and dirty on both sides.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am mad at Obama for not delivering change , plain and simple
[/quote]

Uh yes he did. Everybody is a little poorer and the cost of both healthcare and insurance is skyrocketing.
He did too deliver change, I have less change as a result of it, but everything is just a little worse. Which is a change from the way it was before.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am mad at Obama for not delivering change , plain and simple
[/quote]

You mean for sending more troops abroad? For keeping the same defense Secretary? For continuing the Bush tax cuts? And other than introducing a national health care plan doing everything the same as Bush?

Is that why you’re upset with him?

I can’t say that I blame you my friend. And I think a lot of people who voted for him expecting change are not going to make that mistake again.

Remember the wise old proverb:

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am mad at Obama for not delivering change , plain and simple
[/quote]

Uh yes he did. Everybody is a little poorer and the cost of both healthcare and insurance is skyrocketing.
He did too deliver change, I have less change as a result of it, but everything is just a little worse. Which is a change from the way it was before.[/quote]

Health care has been sky rocketing for a long time , this is one area I lay right at the feet of the Republicans . America had Health Care on the table and what did the Republicans do to their own plan ? They Demagogued the whole subject , and I agree we do not have the best system we could have had

The Change I am talking about is the change that would save money by doing away with ineffective and nonsensical programs .

Example we send money to foreign Countries to combat our war on drugs , we spend money stopping , investigating , prosecuting and Incarcerating people who do drugs. In that process we inflate to value of the drugs , which cause hard ships to not only the people that use them , it also costs you and I . The people that use them have to come up with the money to buy them , they steal it from you and I .

I personally think the superior form of health care would be Socialized Medicine .

The wars are something we can not afford. I am all for killing bad men. Cost is the issue.

The last thing that pissed me off was Some one wanted to release some missing minutes in Nixon’s white house recordings and the4 Obama Admin said no , I say WTF

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Funny story, and has pertinence to this topic.

President Obama’s uncle was arrested for drunk driving, hitting a police car, and being AN ILLEGAL ALIEN…

So will he be deported ?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/aug/28/picket-obamas-illegal-uncle-arrested-uncle-omar-hi/[/quote]
Nope he will be with Aunt Zituni and get free housing in a snior home ss and food stamps.

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The president of the United States has an aunt and uncle both living in the country illegally.

Un-fucking-believable.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The president of the United States has an aunt and uncle both living in the country illegally.

Un-fucking-believable. [/quote]
Recieving government assistance welfare, food stamps, section 8 and ss that they did not pay inot. If you aren’t furious you aren’t paying attention

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The president of the United States has an aunt and uncle both living in the country illegally.

Un-fucking-believable. [/quote]

But according to the mainstream liberal media that’s nothing to worry about. Better they focus on Perry having been a democrat at one time.

See why it is going to be so difficult to unseat that snake?

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I am curious what people think would be different if Perry were elected president rather than Obama , OK Perry’s Aunt and Uncle would not be in America Illegally

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The person who is not overly bat-shit crazy will be the one to unseat Obummer. That is why I like Christie. A Christie-Rubio ticket could be quite interesting.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The person who is not overly bat-shit crazy will be the one to unseat Obummer. That is why I like Christie. A Christie-Rubio ticket could be quite interesting. [/quote]

That is a sad commentary , elect the first person that is not bat shit crazy, that will probably be Obummar