[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I didn’t usually need pre-workout carbs for the training I was doing, but then try John Meadows-type stuff and it won’t be the same story. You basically annihilate your body every single day.[/quote]
Whats Meadows take on peri-workout nutrition again? I know it was posted here a while back but i cant find it.[/quote]
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I didn’t usually need pre-workout carbs for the training I was doing, but then try John Meadows-type stuff and it won’t be the same story. You basically annihilate your body every single day.[/quote]
Whats Meadows take on peri-workout nutrition again? I know it was posted here a while back but i cant find it.[/quote]
Idk if this is still update (I know on a radio show with Kiefer he said he was removing carbs from breakfast lately) but something like this
Thanks T-bro’s !!
I would imagine now he is throwing in a shit load of Biotest stuff now he is sponsored by them
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
i remember seeing some gatorade labels and they had HFCS in them. i believe thats why its generally frowned upon in the bodybuilding community.[/quote]
Probably reading the actual bottled Gatorade. My powdered Gatorade has listed in order (I’m looking at the label right now) lol:
Sucrose, Dextrose, Citric Acid, Salt, Sodium Citrate, Monopotassium phosphate, natural flavor, modified food starch, calcium silicate, yellow 6.
I was actually thinking of adding 20g of Carbs worth of it intra-WO, but not sure yet, seeing as CBL has worked so well for me at this point. [/quote]
In CBL you are allowed peri workout carbs. especially for long workouts.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
i remember seeing some gatorade labels and they had HFCS in them. i believe thats why its generally frowned upon in the bodybuilding community.[/quote]
Probably reading the actual bottled Gatorade. My powdered Gatorade has listed in order (I’m looking at the label right now) lol:
Sucrose, Dextrose, Citric Acid, Salt, Sodium Citrate, Monopotassium phosphate, natural flavor, modified food starch, calcium silicate, yellow 6.
I was actually thinking of adding 20g of Carbs worth of it intra-WO, but not sure yet, seeing as CBL has worked so well for me at this point. [/quote]
In CBL you are allowed peri workout carbs. especially for long workouts.[/quote]
Well my lifting sessions aren’t too long (in the 1 hour range, give or take 15 minutes). And I lift at around 11 or noon, which I feel is too early for ingesting carbs, at least on CBL.
I’ve made some great gains recently NOT stressing too much about nutrient timing outside of a 14/10 (16/8 on off days) IF protocol. PeriWO nutrition for me is just a performance thing, not a protein synthesis thing. I now refuse to believe that there is a magical window of opportunity pushed by sup companies.
Seems to me there are many ways to skin this cat. Hitting daily macros and not missing workouts will carry most of us 85% of the way. Just Sayin
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You might as well count fructose as fat because it is not handled the same as glucose. Fructose has to be either changed to glycogen to be stored by liver or if already full made into fatty acids and triglycerides to be released to the bloodstream.
If you are already eating lots of fruit and other carbohydrates most/all of the carbs in your gatorade end up as fat.
Wouldn’t you just rather have full fat ice cream and ditch the gatorade?[/quote]
isnt there more to this though, like fiber and micro nutrients?
not only that, but even though you show that you do a lot of reading in my own experience with my cut I just don’t see fruit doing the kind of damage people are saying
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You might as well count fructose as fat because it is not handled the same as glucose. Fructose has to be either changed to glycogen to be stored by liver or if already full made into fatty acids and triglycerides to be released to the bloodstream.
If you are already eating lots of fruit and other carbohydrates most/all of the carbs in your gatorade end up as fat.
Wouldn’t you just rather have full fat ice cream and ditch the gatorade?[/quote]
isnt there more to this though, like fiber and micro nutrients?
not only that, but even though you show that you do a lot of reading in my own experience with my cut I just don’t see fruit doing the kind of damage people are saying
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I don’t think fruit is inherently evil - however, high consumption of fructose causes insulin resistance - which probably had a survival advantage during parts of the year when we were eking out a miserable existence hand to mouth.
People who admit to wanting to lose weight don’t need to eat excessive amounts of fruit - and especially don’t need gatorade.
Fiber isn’t a necessary component of diet and there is definitely no need to supplement with it - it is just bulk that causes the gut to have to work to eliminate more than it otherwise would have to.
My point about the ice cream is that he avoids fat in it only to add it via fructose from gatorade. Seems funny to me is all.
It would seem logical that excess fructose would turn into fat,… the same way any other macronutrients would.
While there is a direct pathway to Tryglyeride formation once the liver cant stock any more, if you tightly control kcal intake even in a surplus (i.e lean bulk), this shouldn’t be an issue. If high fructose has other negative affects on the body, then that maybe out of scope of physique enhancement.
I know there is a correlation to long term inflammation of the arteries ,but health vs. physique is a hard argument on these and other forums.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Fiber isn’t a necessary component of diet and there is definitely no need to supplement with it - it is just bulk that causes the gut to have to work to eliminate more than it otherwise would have to.[/quote]
While I cannot dispute the overall claim, I think you’re taking it too far.
Having the GI tract “work” to eliminate fiber bulk/roughage isn’t inherently bad; note how we work/damage our muscles very purposefully around these parts. Not a great analogy granted, but it does illustrate my point.
Also, supplementing with psyllium husk and the like helps clear “everything” from the tract which also cannot be bad. And something about the experience of perfect bowel movements would also seem to indicate that something “good” is going on.
All that said, I do still rate probiotics > fiber supps. (I use both)
[quote]giograves wrote:
It would seem logical that excess fructose would turn into fat,… the same way any other macronutrients would.
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He’s referring to the biochemistry that occurs. Much more precise than what logic provides.
[quote]giograves wrote:
I know there is a correlation to long term inflammation of the arteries ,but health vs. physique is a hard argument on these and other forums.
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The thing some people don’t realize is that it is nearly impossible to sustain the outward appearance of an awe-inspiring physique if one’s internal physique is not kept also as magnificent.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
My point about the ice cream is that he avoids fat in it only to add it via fructose from gatorade. Seems funny to me is all.[/quote]
Like I said, there’s not all that much fructose in the Gatorade I use haha. It’s not even listed in the the ingredients. Sucrose and dextrose are the carb sources (i know Sucrose is half fructose but still I don’t feel it’s that much).
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Fiber isn’t a necessary component of diet and there is definitely no need to supplement with it - it is just bulk that causes the gut to have to work to eliminate more than it otherwise would have to.[/quote]
While I cannot dispute the overall claim, I think you’re taking it too far.
Having the GI tract “work” to eliminate fiber bulk/roughage isn’t inherently bad; note how we work/damage our muscles very purposefully around these parts. Not a great analogy granted, but it does illustrate my point.
Also, supplementing with psyllium husk and the like helps clear “everything” from the tract which also cannot be bad. And something about the experience of perfect bowel movements would also seem to indicate that something “good” is going on.
All that said, I do still rate probiotics > fiber supps. (I use both)
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On its face, a priori it does not seem correct.
The only fiber primitive man would have eaten would have come from plant life - nearly impossible to get year-round in northern climates.
Eliminative capabilities are controlled by how much we (and all other species) consume. If he was facing issues of constipation in the wilderness (which I don’t think could be common eating a natural diet) then he would have just stopped eating to allow the gut to catch up to the volume previously consumed.
Doctors recommend fiber because we have been taught to eat too much (three squares a day!) and our digestive systems are wrecked because of it. Not only that we completely ignore our body telling us not to eat certain foods to our guts’ own further detriment.