Low, LOW dose opiates can actually increase strength quite a bit without impairing judgement or significantly masking pain. I am talking about 2.5mg or so of oxycodone or hydrocodone. That’s it. Taken orally. Snorting it will make it hit too hard for this purpose. The reason I was given for this was it lowers the perceived exertion and inhibits the parasympathetic nervous system more at this dose than it inhibits the sympathetic at this low dose (especially when taken with preworkout stimulants as well, as most people probably would pre-workout). This means that you can push a little harder before your nervous system realizes how hard it is working.
This information was first given to me by a very knowledgeable individual with a degree in pharmacy who is also into AAS use/PED use so it was a personal interest to him as well. When I have tested this I have found strength increases (estimated by the margin of PR) of 5-7% when I was less advanced and now that I am at a higher level strength increases of 3-5%. When I tested this I maxed 2 weeks in a row on the same lift. Week one without, week two with the opiate.
I have also found weed preworkout to be beneficial for the mindset, but again in moderation. Definitely not going in stoned. I am not as big of a fan of this as I used to be, mostly because I have been focusing a lot on meditation to achieve the my optimal mindset and pre-training meditation seems to be more effective for me.
All this being said, I would never advocate you to fuck with a potentially addictive substance like opiates unless they are your prescription, and you know you do not have addictive tendencies. I would also add that I didn’t see a benefit from training with opiates on a regular basis. It is more of a test out strength once or twice during a training cycle with the opiates to judge the increase you can count on at the meet. Then take them at the meet. I don’t see a purpose for bodybuilders to do it really. I don’t think it helped my progress only a short term boost.
[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
Sorry to revive an old thread, but I was bored.
Low, LOW dose opiates can actually increase strength quite a bit without impairing judgement or significantly masking pain. I am talking about 2.5mg or so of oxycodone or hydrocodone. That’s it. Taken orally. Snorting it will make it hit too hard for this purpose. The reason I was given for this was it lowers the perceived exertion and inhibits the parasympathetic nervous system more at this dose than it inhibits the sympathetic at this low dose (especially when taken with preworkout stimulants as well, as most people probably would pre-workout). This means that you can push a little harder before your nervous system realizes how hard it is working.
This information was first given to me by a very knowledgeable individual with a degree in pharmacy who is also into AAS use/PED use so it was a personal interest to him as well. When I have tested this I have found strength increases (estimated by the margin of PR) of 5-7% when I was less advanced and now that I am at a higher level strength increases of 3-5%. When I tested this I maxed 2 weeks in a row on the same lift. Week one without, week two with the opiate.
I have also found weed preworkout to be beneficial for the mindset, but again in moderation. Definitely not going in stoned. I am not as big of a fan of this as I used to be, mostly because I have been focusing a lot on meditation to achieve the my optimal mindset and pre-training meditation seems to be more effective for me.
All this being said, I would never advocate you to fuck with a potentially addictive substance like opiates unless they are your prescription, and you know you do not have addictive tendencies. I would also add that I didn’t see a benefit from training with opiates on a regular basis. It is more of a test out strength once or twice during a training cycle with the opiates to judge the increase you can count on at the meet. Then take them at the meet. I don’t see a purpose for bodybuilders to do it really. I don’t think it helped my progress only a short term boost. [/quote]
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This is true low low dose of opiates can increase weight/volume…speaking from personal experience…I took 5mg hydrocodone, one of the best workouts ive had was on 20mg of oxycodone…
dunoo how you workout on weed…ive tried doesn’t work well…
Since there is already this thread regarding the use of illicit drugs i’m gonna ask this question here.
Considering the apparent all around benefits of the once-popular GHB, what happened to it? I mean aside from it becoming a Schedule 1 controlled substance why the total fall from grace of it with fitness minded people? Especially for those of us who have no qualms about using controlled substance when we feel the benefits justify the risk.
I’ve smoked for over 15 years and always wait until after training. IME the ganja just makes me lack intensity and motivation I want when I am working out.
[quote]30intheclip wrote:
I’ve smoked for over 15 years and always wait until after training. IME the ganja just makes me lack intensity and motivation I want when I am working out. [/quote]
It does downregulate aggression though, that’s my biggest problem with it. Easy to do long hard workouts but hard to PR on it
[quote]30intheclip wrote:
I’ve smoked for over 15 years and always wait until after training. IME the ganja just makes me lack intensity and motivation I want when I am working out. [/quote]
It does downregulate aggression though, that’s my biggest problem with it. Easy to do long hard workouts but hard to PR on it[/quote]
I PR on it all the time.
To each his own, but I find that if I smoke too much or certain strains I am relaxed. If I smoke a little of a good uplifting and energizing strain then I am very focused and aggressive. If you ever smoke too much, 15-20mg of some halo will bring the aggression back. haha
But like I said, I have dropped the weed preworkout in favor of meditation now.
[quote]30intheclip wrote:
I’ve smoked for over 15 years and always wait until after training. IME the ganja just makes me lack intensity and motivation I want when I am working out. [/quote]
I agree… except with regards to cardio. Because there’s no way I can enjoy cardio enough to take it seriously while completely sober.
Before I was just a meathead I was a pothead and in between I was a pill head. Sometimes I would smoke before I worked out and never really analyzed how much it affected me then but thinking back now if stoned I would never go heavy but would always do a ton of volume.
During my opiate (and other things) phase I loved taking them and working out, I could lift way heavier and way longer. I would always pay the price the next day, on top of opiate withdrawal symptoms which make you feel like you have been hit by a train I would have terrible workout related aches and pains. I would not be able to train unless I got mor opiates that day, as you can imagine this would lead one into a vicious cycle. Ironically I made my best “natural” (if you can call it that) gains in this period of my life.
I would never consider doing either before training anymore. My goals have shifted to becoming a strength athlete, so no pre workout tokes. Injury would be a serious issue right now and I do not want to risk it, making opiates a bad option. The whole entire crappin your pants and flu like symptoms of withdrawal are just one more reason to avoid them.
[quote]iammikewatts wrote:
Since there is already this thread regarding the use of illicit drugs i’m gonna ask this question here.
Considering the apparent all around benefits of the once-popular GHB, what happened to it? I mean aside from it becoming a Schedule 1 controlled substance why the total fall from grace of it with fitness minded people? Especially for those of us who have no qualms about using controlled substance when we feel the benefits justify the risk.[/quote]
ive kinda wondered this myself. I have minimal knowledge of the substance but what ive read seems like it used to be quite popular