Per aspera ad astra (strongman Koestrizer)

Sorry to hear about Nala

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Maybe he/she prefer it if you have to decrease your protein intake that the first thing that is taken out is the supplemental processed one.

Not impossible but if that was true, he did a terrible job of explaining that.

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Do you have any idea how much protein you consume in a day?

I’m a smaller human being but there is no difficulty in getting above 1g/lbs or even 1.25g/lbs for me without supplements.

I do not but I could probably calculate. I wouldn’t need supplements to get sufficient protein in. Tbh I only use half a spoon in my morning skyr or quark and that’s it. Occasionally I will have a shake after training if dinner takes to long but it’s not an everyday thing.

If I was using whey like you I would probably answer “no” if a doctor asked if I was taking it. Or, to be honest what I’d say is “I use a tablespoon for flavouring”.

In life I’ve found it to be quite convenient to do this

Breakfast, yeah, eat that
Lunch, have that to
Eat something before the gym. Usually a meal, just earlier than dinner time
Train
2 scoop whey shake
Take time to cook dinner. Eat late-ish.

And if someone was on a whey crusade I’d have a tub of quark.

Yeah that would have been better in hindsight :smiley:

That’s pretty much what I do except I have a snack (usually nuts) between breakfast and lunch. At least on worl days.

my urologist agrees with you, so there’s that…
I asked him specifically and he said what really matters is total protein. He said that the biggest difference between protein powder and “regular protein” that may be of concern is that unlike protein powder, “regular protein” is usually consumed with/ contains fat and/or fiber, which slows down the digestion and thus the amount of protein the kidneys have to process at any given time.

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21.10

Forgot my usual deadlifting belt and had to use the inzer.

1 oh squat
3 x 8 @ 30 kg

2 deadlift
3 x 6 @ 162,5 kg

3 db hang snatch
5 x 3 @ 32 kg

4 bench press
3 x 15 @ 72, 5kg

5 bent over row
3 x 20 @ 85kg

6 banded wood choppers
4 x 6

7 cardio
2 km Treadmill walk. Incline 5; 5 km/h

  • deadlifts were horrrible as usual. I took the time to compare today’s videos to older videos of me lifting 160 kg and noticed that my hips were way too low. Speed wasn’t that different, so that’s a misconception. I do know it didn’t feel this heavy last build up though. . I tried to correct that on the last set but it didn’t work and just felt heavier. Also the area around my tailbones got stressed more than usual so bracing was off. That affected the rows
  • I am not happy with training. But maybe with all things going on we can call this a big adjustment period and it’s going to get better soon again
  • this is the last week of this training phase. Let’s just hope a change of pace is somehow going to help me figure this out. Otherwise I might have to take up indoor jo-jo as a new sport.
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As always, everyone’s opinion is welcome but since I’ve attempted to straight up copy your approach to diet and have had substantial success so far, I want to ask you specifically, @T3hPwnisher : I am about to enter a hypertrophy phase of training. So the goal is to build muscle as well as prepare for the next strength phase.

I am uncertain of what to do nutrition wise in this phase. I haven’t yet reached my diet goal but I am unsure if I will get the whole benefit of a hypertrophy training phase if I am still cutting weight.

I’ve had a bad streak of bad trainings lately but I’m not convinced that has much to do with the diet because I actually still recover really well.

So what would your approach be in my situation?

Obviously I am also going to take this up with my coach but I’d welcome the advice I can get here.

For me, I always eat to support my goals. So if you’re in a hypertrophy phase of training: you need to eat. What’s worth noting is, during your stint with fat loss, you observed just how easy it is to accomplish. This is great to have mentally in your back pocket: now you know that, when the time comes to shed any accumulated fat, you can knock that out no problem. That can allow you to focus hard on the weight gain.

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I think @T3hPwnisher is spot on when he says eat to recover. But I still think that can come from good food choices and it will be possible to build some muscle and still lose a little fat. Eating to recover is not the same as going on a seefood diet (as in see food, eat it). Keep your protein and fats high and still moderate carbs and you might be surprised.

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There’s a great article on elitefts right now that talks to this…and, unfortunately, the conclusion isn’t great regarding accomplishing those ends. But really, it’s fine: you don’t NEED to build muscle and lose fat at the same time. Phases are GOOD. Focus is good.

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I actually managed to tweak my back/ SI joint on deadlifts yesterday… on 162,5 kg deadlifts. Fuck me.

Paul said he thinks it would be okay to continue cutting weight for another month or so under the condition that the deficit is really small. I think ultimately I am going to play it by ear. Supporting my training is my number one priority.

Well, see, the problem with 162.5 kilo deadlifts is that they still weigh like 360 pounds.

Undeniably, still we are talking about only 72% of my max. Coach said that light pulls like that tend to happen more in phases of caloric deficits. Sounds plausible.

Sounds right to me.

It’s nothing serious anyway. Sucks a bit to get out of bed and get into/ out of some positions but definitely nothing serious.
I am just angry above all tbh. This shouldn’t have happened.
Whatever, next training phase is going to get better.

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