Just be honest about what you actually believe and why you are here.
The real giveaway is the Hitler denialism coupled with the way you asked that question, expecting me to not know the DSA platform.
Hitler was a socialist AND a racist, through-and-through. Just like DSA are today.
I denied Hitler? As in, I denied his existence?
I denied he was a socialist? No shit, he was a Nazi.
Does it bother you that I consider Hitler a Nazi? Thatās weird.
LOL LOL LOL
Youāre really frustrated by me being able to easily point out cases to back up my point.
Iāve suspected the whole time, but now I know for sure. Youāre a freaking DSA cult member. You guys can never speak plainly.
And yes, itās totally a cult. Iām genuinely sorry youāve been sucked into it.
Iām not, but your need to believe that is telling.
Is this the part where I start defending myself against your brutal attacks?
You can do whatever you like, as you have been here for years on end.
It seems like weāre actually getting through to you on some things, but youāre still clinging to your warped visions for humanity that you worked so hard to learn all about.
Have you been on some kind of mission to subvert a patriarchal power structure the entire time?
Thatās another narrative that deserves to be challenged. We have an 8 hour workday because of the industrial revolution and in spite of what socialism the unions have achieved.
An 8 hour workday as the norm is only possible with sufficient productivity. Had farmers in medieval Europe somehow unionized and succeeded in getting an 8 hour workday, everyone dies from starvation.
This is the perfect thread for it at this point, with all of these DSA cult members coming out of the woodwork to celebrate a murderer.
What? No, thatās literally the opposite of the truth. We had to pass legislation for that.
That was a radically different economic system. Guilds should make a comeback.
The idea Marxists have successfully indoctrinated you with is that, barring unions and/or legislation, it would have never been achieved. That businesses would not have to also compete for labor as productivity increases. That they would be able to endlessly exploit the people who choose to work there, without another business coming along and scooping them up as productivity rises.
Thatās still how it works today, in reality. Thatās why it wouldnāt be good for workers in a remote factory village in Africa to unionize and cause the only business that is willing to employ them to close.
Generally speaking, it has been my experience that union shop floors do absolutely nothing for their employees compared to non union shop floors. You get more room to fuck off and keep your job, in practice. Workers get treated well pretty much everywhere these days, and bad practices get found out quickly.
Iām not entirely against the idea of unions, especially trade guilds, but they have probably done far more harm than good for poor and working class people. The city of Detroit provides a case study in this. Where did all of the union jobs go for the people living there?
Donāt do this, it makes people take you less seriously. I do like your arguments though.
Overseas.
C-suite.
I think itās interesting how instead of having a work day with hourly pay, it allowed people to relax and live life according to seasonal demand. You might work 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, but then you might have a few months off.
But Iām lucky enough to be self-employed and do that.
Mass production and assembly line work were low-skilled and tied to a few employers and industry (cars) the rise in pensions, benefits etc. made it easy to replace with overseas workers.
Trade unions like electricians and plumbers are difficult to replace. The wage difference between union and non-union workers in the trades is drastic (hourly wages of $20 versus $60+ in some areas).
That was the most serious part of the post. The more I wake up to it, the more I see it. So many of these narratives are based on total lies and unsupported historical distortions. 100 years of reality playing out and people diligently working to understand it is causing many to crumble.. Our understanding of economics and history have come a long way.
Re-read my morning exchange with zecarlo for a good example of this. Realize I could instantly reply to his nonsense DSA narratives, which are standard in academic circles, with clear facts to support my arguments.
Iāve barely worked at all for the last few months by choice, thanks to no trade union ever. Itās been a great opportunity to work on my little project, which has led me down a lot of interesting rabbit holes, including Mein Kampf (which I just skimmed, but yeah, total socialist).
Thatās called leverage, which is why Iām not fundamentally opposed to the idea of a trade union, as long as it is all voluntary.
Actual fascists were big into unions as well. Itās literally in the name. A fascio was a bundle or something like that, which was a term used to refer to syndicates in Giovanni Gentileās time. Generally speaking, fascism is also a cult when you get into Gentileās applications of the dialectic. Fascism and socialism share ideological origins in Hegelās dialectic.
Itās all wildly bizarre ramblings of guys who, like me, didnāt want to get a real job (but I did).
Paradigms are such an interesting concept.
I agree with your point. The Industrial Revolution also made the abolition of slavery viable. However, machines making these things feasible didnāt make them happen. It was legislation that did that. Legislation is an important part of capitalism.
How can we be certain that we wouldnāt have a four hour workday if we had no unions or legislation hampering productivity growth?
Such as?
How do you imagine this taking place in a hypothetical situation without legislation? Letās assume unions donāt exist for the thought experiment, since only about 10% of workers today are unionized. What path towards that level of productivity do you see?
Never heard of it before.
Human resource development and competition for labor. It has to be possible for it to happen. It doesnāt happen by political decree. It canāt.
Nobody from the government is going to come and place a purchase order for you or design your next product.
Wasnāt Oppenheimer a government employee?