People strike back at the "healthcare" industry

I appreciate the insight, but explaining the complexities, identifying multiple potential players who might be at fault in a game of telephone, suggesting paying for legal action as a remedy, and then claiming it would behoove me to learn about the system and do my research, is precisely my point.

No matter how advanced we get, humans truly are animals.

I get it. Two things:

  1. I made the post to hopefully provide helpful insight in the complicated system we do have, as it pertains to your situation. I sincerely hope it illuminates the right path to track if anything
  2. As it relates to the thread overall, the big picture is extremely complicated. But insurance is a reactive force. Something to keep in mind while directing discontent to affect change. And this is true whether privatized or socialized.
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Good point actually

It’s a terrible point because it intentionally confuses subjects. Police using law as a weapon in some cases vs juries and judges making erroneous judgements around presented evidence. Often times presented by the police.

Abuse of power vs. errors and omissions. Two totally different topics that are worth discussing in their own right but don’t thread the way it was presented.

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Meant the death penalty… I think as a people we should still err on the side of mercy and grace lest we gaze too long into the abyss. And I’m a violent mf

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Gotcha.

I don’t know. I haven’t seen the violence you have but I believe some people should just cease to exist.

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I think life in a cell is worse actually. Out of society but we still spared their life. There could be a reckoning for all this someday. Existential stuff…

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Yeah. Let them stew, find repentance and then have their judgement day all while keeping them separated.

I get it, I just don’t believe it. So it’s more of a practical thing for me. Can’t let them mingle, no need to pay for their subsistence.

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The root of the problem is the assumption that healthcare itself is a human right, rather than an expensive privilege of living in a first-world society.

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@marine77 @Njord @zecarlo

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about physician-assisted suicide and how does that line up with your views on the death penalty?

Having lost quite a few friends to suicide… that is really tough to answer. Mental, emotional and spiritual pain is agonizing. I’ve experienced it. That said… I suppose it hinges on what they / I believe happens after one self-deletes or does so with assistance. Can’t really answer that one.

As for the death penalty… I think it only really serves to satisfy our lust for revenge. That’s a slippery slope. That said… people that are deemed irredeemable should be incarcerated for life, studied, used for litter control, etc…

It’s like how I conducted myself as a Marine and police officer. Held onto my humanity even when faced with the horrors you experience doing those things.

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In general I don’t have a problem with it.

Especially when people are suffering end stage or terminal disease, they’re going to see a sharp and painful decline and quality of life (while racking up medical bills) until they finally die, with no real recourse to regain health and prolong life.

I wouldn’t be in support of casual suicide clinics though. Passing them out like methadone clinics do pain pills.

Nothing is ever black and white, and I don’t have an intricate, thought out system of approval to discuss but I’m in support of, as a personal choice, with guardrails.

I don’t see a comparison with crime & punishment at all though. Death might be the subject ultimately but buying a sports car doesn’t mean I’m automatically a formula 1 driver, or fan.

I’m good looking too.

I have to read police reports and see criminal records. On the one hand, I feel like some of these people should be bludgeoned to death, especially when it involves kids, but at the same time, I see that many of these criminals are broken people, many are addicts or legitimately mentally ill. It doesn’t excuse what they did but I agree, if we just look at them as monsters, subhumans, we lose a little of our own humanity. Dying of old age in a prison hospital is a pretty harsh way to go out.

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Kinda like Unitedhealthcare CEO,

In other 1st world countries where this is in effect, costs are lower and typically outcomes are better. Is it any wonder why the life expectancy has gone down in the U.S.

So it seems like the profit motive and not assumptions are at the root of the problem.

This is objectively untrue. Go back through your own thread for information, and links.

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That’s my outlook, as well