Today my mom was studying her medical homework. It says that you don’t need supplements to build muscle, which I agree halfway. True you don’t need supplements to build muscle but for damn sure you need supplements to build muscle MASS. But then again, food is a supplement if you think of it that way.
Also it said that at my weight, I should only consume around 70 grams of protein. I think that’s a bit off to me. Not only them but people only hear what they want to hear without thinking about other things. She didn’t consider what types of foods the person’s eating, body type and other variables.
She just read it and went away with it. Chalking it up to I think I know everything but in reality, I’ve studied far more on building muscle and everything than the average person that reads something and believes it on the spot. Then here my dad goes saying that you need to eat some fat and turn it into muscle. I just can’t get through to some people.
I keep telling him that there are different types of fat and not all of them can be turned into muscle, or better yet fat isn’t turned into muscle once its stored its just burned off. I guess he just has the basic bulking mentality(magically turning fat into muscle) which I think is bull.
How would they explain how I’ve made such a huge improvement in my body composition with the use of supplements. I guess some people will always chalk it up to wisdom beats knowledge when its really the exact opposite in terms of research. Do you guys encounter arguements like this?
LOL, dont bother trying to explain this kind of stuff to your parents. They are used to being right and knowing more than you.
Plus if your parents are smart they can double talk you into agreeing with what they are saying. and if all else fails they will just smirk and think they are right.
EXAMPLE:
Parent: Brownies are great for weight loss.
Me: no they arent, where did you hear that?
Parent: well when you eat brownies they have alot of calories so your body gets used to eating alot more calories. Then when you drop the calories you lose weight real fast.
Me: that can work with any food tho and you will probably gain more fat than you will lose weight by trying that.
Parent: No its specificaly brownies, besides brownies wont make you gainf at they are only carbohydrates there is almost no fat in them.
Me: fat dosent make you fat carbs do.
Parent: so if you ate 1000000 calories of fat a day you wouldnt gain weight?
Me: well yeah I would.
Parent: exactly, so Im right.
Me: “prints article off T-Nation to prove it and reads it out load to parent”
Parent: That dosent make sence,
-by now the parent would be smirking and makeing faces at me to act like Im a dumbass and they are way smarter than me.
I know I’m going out on a limb to say that me, at 16, knows more than my parents about nutrition and lifting, but I agree with all of you. I tried to tell my mom about the dangers of Soy, but she just shrugged it off saying, “You believe everything you read off the Internet?” I sent her the entire soy article on T-Nation, and she refuses to read it. I’m buying her “The Whole Soy Story” for Christmas, though.
It makes it worse because my mom’s the kind of person that thinks ‘She’s Always Right No Matter What’ and I picked up on that too.
This only applies to her children though. She almost changed her computer to Linux, from Windows, just because a guy who fixed her computer told her it’s easier for doing work. I luckily talked her out of it because my mom can barely use Windows properly, and I’m constantly helping her. I’ve never even seen a Linux system, so she’d be screwed.
She almost bought an Apple computer too, just so she could run 1 program on it that her friend told her is great. I guess I really wouldn’t care except that we aren’t exactly rolling in money, and I thought it’d help save some of my college money. Turns out I’m not getting a dime for college. Goodbye getting a car
I’ve never seen her do anything more than check her emails on her computer, and she’s home a lot. Because hey! she’s only been working part time her whole life, and since my parents divorced, she shouldn’t have to work any more! I just don’t get how she can spend all her fucking time watching TV and sleeping during the day, when I’m going to struggle going to college. How can a parent stand by and let that happen?
[quote]sed26 wrote:
Today my mom was studying her medical homework. It says that you don’t need supplements to build muscle, which I agree halfway. True you don’t need supplements to build muscle but for damn sure you need supplements to build muscle MASS. [/quote]
Your statement doesn’t make sense. Muscle mass = muscle.
The truth is that you do not need supplements to build muscle (or muscle mass if that’s what you want to call it) if you cover your bases nutritionally.
The right supplements will make it easier for most of us, however,
Your missing the point. Keep in mind that she also said that you would only need around 70 grams of protein. Sure you could build a great amount of muscle without supplements, but surely not with eating just 70grams of protein a day. Not muscle mass atleast.
Supplements aren’t needed, but the good ones amplify the effects of good training and diet, period.
Next, fat cannot be turned into muscle, or vice versa. Fat can be used as an energy source for exhausting a muscle, but not for the actual process of rebuilding it.
Uber N3wb, carbs don’t make a person fat, they’re meant to be the chief and main source of energy, and anyone who follows a low carb diet in the hopes of getting big mass is as smart as someone trying to lift weights in hopes of outpowering a grizzly bear. People get fat from excessive amounts of total calories, constantly eating sugars and empty calories like soda(like I said, sugar), eating high amounts of High GI carbs late at night, close to their bedtime, when the metabolism is at its slowest(this doesnt apply to late night lifters/exercisers).
People get fat from ingesting 2500 calories a day of useless crap, a fast food value meal may give you 50g of protein…along with what, 40 grams of saturated fat, and 125grams of High GI, mostly processed carbs.
To prove my point, vegetables are basically just colorful carbohydrates. You can eat broccoli and green beans till they come out your ears, and you WILL NOT GET FAT…not due to the consumption of these, anyway.
First of all, I, for one, don’t consider food to be a supplement in the traditional sense of the term (in the same vein as creatine, Alpha Male, etc…), and I certainly wouldn’t blame a medical text for doing the same.
Second, you’re not “getting through” to your parents because they probably don’t give a shit to begin with.
I remember a few of your past posts. You sound young. In her eye, it was just yesterday you were shitting your diaper and shoving crayons up your nose, so excuse her for not thinking you to be the most credible source of information when it comes to her med school homework.
Oh, and newb - printing off a T-Nation article and reading it out loud to someone wouldn’t convince them you are in the right so much as it would put them to sleep. Not only is it just too much damn reading (and waaay too many lame jokes), but you can find an article saying just about anything on the 'net nowadays, from people of varying credentials. So pardon your parents for not listening to what they may perceive as random Internet junk. Besides, T-Nation articles shouldn’t be taken as gospel, anyhow (one sign your parents are STILL smarter than you - they know this), and certainly not as a silver bullet for winning any health-related discussion.
Learn to articulate your point of view through a sound understanding of the material (id est, without the crutch of printed T-Nation articles) and combine it with a practiced knack for “dumbing down” your information into common sense points an Average Joe or Jane can understand (the latter can really only be accomplished after the former). Then, maybe you can win an argument without defeating yourself through a lazy generalization (which is untrue, anyhow), and putting your “opponent” into a boredom induced coma.
Uber N3wb, carbs don’t make a person fat, they’re meant to be the chief and main source of energy, and anyone who follows a low carb diet in the hopes of getting big mass is as smart as someone trying to lift weights in hopes of outpowering a grizzly bear.
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While carbs are a quick and efficient source of energy (and the primary source for the majority of the population), I disagree with your statement about low carb diets. When you do them correctly you are far from an “idiot” as you suggest.
[quote]RealtorNick wrote:
Supplements aren’t needed, but the good ones amplify the effects of good training and diet, period.
Next, fat cannot be turned into muscle, or vice versa. Fat can be used as an energy source for exhausting a muscle, but not for the actual process of rebuilding it.
Uber N3wb, carbs don’t make a person fat, they’re meant to be the chief and main source of energy, and anyone who follows a low carb diet in the hopes of getting big mass is as smart as someone trying to lift weights in hopes of outpowering a grizzly bear. People get fat from excessive amounts of total calories, constantly eating sugars and empty calories like soda(like I said, sugar), eating high amounts of High GI carbs late at night, close to their bedtime, when the metabolism is at its slowest(this doesnt apply to late night lifters/exercisers).
People get fat from ingesting 2500 calories a day of useless crap, a fast food value meal may give you 50g of protein…along with what, 40 grams of saturated fat, and 125grams of High GI, mostly processed carbs.
To prove my point, vegetables are basically just colorful carbohydrates. You can eat broccoli and green beans till they come out your ears, and you WILL NOT GET FAT…not due to the consumption of these, anyway.
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Belive me man, I know.
I just dont waste my time explaining even half of that to people when I can say something as simple as. Fat dosent make you fat, carbs do.
If the person actualy cared what I had to say I would but everyone wants to be right. They would probably think Im just some stuck up fat ass if I corrected thier diet knowledge.
EDIT: 2500 calories isnt very much. Most people would drop weight with that…
[quote]sed26 wrote:
Today my mom was studying her medical homework. It says that you don’t need supplements to build muscle, which I agree halfway. True you don’t need supplements to build muscle but for damn sure you need supplements to build muscle MASS. But then again, food is a supplement if you think of it that way. [/quote]
Can you please explain the difference between “muscle” and “muscle MASS”? If you have built muscle, you have built muscle mass.
[quote]Chris82362 wrote:
I tried to tell my mom about the dangers of Soy, but she just shrugged it off saying, “You believe everything you read off the Internet?” I sent her the entire soy article on T-Nation, and she refuses to read it. [/quote]
In all fairness, can you blame her? The internet’s full of absolute crap - type in ‘creatine’ and ‘dangerous’ together in google and you will get tons of “medical articles” saying creatine will give you cancer, creatine is a dangerous steroid etc. Would you believe them if your mum printed them off and showed them to you?
[quote]RealtorNick wrote:
Supplements aren’t needed, but the good ones amplify the effects of good training and diet, period.
Next, fat cannot be turned into muscle, or vice versa. Fat can be used as an energy source for exhausting a muscle, but not for the actual process of rebuilding it.
Uber N3wb, carbs don’t make a person fat, they’re meant to be the chief and main source of energy, and anyone who follows a low carb diet in the hopes of getting big mass is as smart as someone trying to lift weights in hopes of outpowering a grizzly bear. People get fat from excessive amounts of total calories, constantly eating sugars and empty calories like soda(like I said, sugar), eating high amounts of High GI carbs late at night, close to their bedtime, when the metabolism is at its slowest(this doesnt apply to late night lifters/exercisers).
People get fat from ingesting 2500 calories a day of useless crap, a fast food value meal may give you 50g of protein…along with what, 40 grams of saturated fat, and 125grams of High GI, mostly processed carbs.
To prove my point, vegetables are basically just colorful carbohydrates. You can eat broccoli and green beans till they come out your ears, and you WILL NOT GET FAT…not due to the consumption of these, anyway.
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as someone who is currently on a low carb diet and IS gaining mass and consistently adding weight to exercises, i beg to differ. perhaps you should read up on the Anabolic Diet.
OK so let me throw in another factor that I was thinking about. For one, I was including the average person’s diet and not a bodybuilder’s diet. Could someone tell me how its possible to consume around just 70 grams of protein a day and become a beast?
Sure its easy to get ripped but as far as gaining more mass, I don’t see how that could happen. Only with more protein and the right foods that I see a person can go easy without supplements and gain a good amount of mass.
