So far i have asked a bunch of questions. In response to my question about the 12 tons of titanium that apparently evaporated, i have this: “the engines are not missing”. And also this, “jet fuel wasnt the only thing that was burning”, and that “titanium becomes soft at high temperatures”. So, to clarify, i did NOT ask why they found 12 tons of soft titanium, i asked why there are no jet engines at all. Good game guys.
[quote]Prince Vegeta wrote:
So, to clarify, i did NOT ask why they found 12 tons of soft titanium, i asked why there are no jet engines at all. Good game guys. [/quote]
[quote]metalsluggx wrote:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
I thought you may need it 5 times since you missed this the other 3 times, you seem to have a very easy time ignoring particular points of an argument.
[/quote]
That is rambling bullshit. There is no PROOF of anything, just confused opinions.
The fact that you think there is any proof or logic in that site makes me question your mental well being.
Nice find doogie. I am sure they will deny the picture of the engine components and claim it is something else or it is faked.
Do you fruitcakes really expect the engines to be intact after crashing into the Pentagon?
I don’t know whether to laugh at you or be scared that so many of you lunatics are functional enough in society to have internet connections.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nice find doogie. I am sure they will deny the picture of the engine components and claim it is something else or it is faked.
Do you fruitcakes really expect the engines to be intact after crashing into the Pentagon?
I don’t know whether to laugh at you or be scared that so many of you lunatics are functional enough in society to have internet connections.[/quote]
Do you feel better now?
[quote]Prince Vegeta wrote:
PGJ your response to my questions was extremely rude. I am not sure how I should respond. I put these questions out there to try to get some back and forth going, so i can understand a little more why you think the way you do. My first reaction was wow, you got very defensive, you were probably pissed that you have no idea why those things happened. It had to be humbling, to have no idea why two huge buildings would collapse so perfectly only after being hit by a plane. I also very seriously wondered how smart you really are, my guess is not very.
Question: how hot does jet fuel burn?
Question: at what temperature does titanium melt?
Question: why are you in the army?
Question: Why did you get so upset with me for asking these questions?[/quote]
I wasn’t defensive I was being a smart ass.
How hot does jet fuel burn? I don’t know. Was it JP5, JP4, JP7, JP8, Jet-A? Lots of different jet fuels out there. What does that matter?
Titanium? I don’t know either. But I did see two big building burning with probably 10,000 gallons of that jet fuel pouring down the inside. In a normal building fire, it’s not aggravated by lots of combustable gasoline.
Why am I in the army? Are you serious? I’m a Marine, by the way. Aircraft maintenance. I love my country and love serving it. My country has given me many great things and I want to give back. Kind of a “What can I do for my country”. What does this have to do with your conspiracy theories? What don’t you join the military and give a little back to your nation?
I wasn’t upset, I was laughing out loud and being as sarcastic as possible.
Why is it so hard for some people to look at what we know…two giant airliners smashed into the World Trade Center and another smashed into the Pentagon…and accept that. Especially when there are so many witnesses. Instead, you guys believe the government is evil and satanic (you have to believe this in order to believe it was orchestrated by the President) and is covering up the truth. How can you believe that the government flew a ballistic missile over Washington D.C., in broad daylight, at low level, and hit the biggest building in the country? From a planning perspective, wouldn’t that be risky with all those witnesses stuck in traffic watching the whole thing? Just because the damage to the Pentagon doesn’t resemble what YOU expect it to look like you are willing to believe it’s fake?
I have come to the conclusion you people are willing to believe ANYTHING that is anti-government.
<<I also very seriously wondered how smart you really are, my guess is not very.>>
You’re about 18 years old, right? Look, I’ve been in the aviation community for 14 years. I have a Masters Degree from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Aviation Management. I know a little about airplanes. They are very big, very fast and very fragile (even the engines). I have seen pieces of paper and very small pebbles destroy jet engines. Jet fuel burns VERY fast and VERY hot. The pentagon does not have ARFF (Airport Rescue and Fire Fighters) on call. ARFF is mandatory at ALL airports. It is rerquired to be at the scene of a mishap within 2 minutes because that is about how long it takes for the fuselage to burn through. Meaning, if you don’t get there within 2 minutes, forget about survivors because the aircraft will be completely burned. How long did it take the regular fire department to get to the Pentagon? I would bet longer than 5 minutes. Even without the impact damage that would be long enough to completely incenerate a burning jet. Jets are mostly made of composite material, NOT steel. Steel is somewhat resistant to fire. Composites sometimes just disappear, especially in frontal impacts. This was not a low-speed sliding crash landing on a smooth runway. This thing hit a reinforced concrete building head on at 500mph. Fill the inside of a car with JP5 and smash it into a building at 500mph and see what left. I guarantee it won’t look like a car anymore.
I’m not defensive, just concerned that you (and others) are not willing to consider what is reasonable and prefer to believe anything that is scandalous and anti-establishment.
I think someone was questioning the flammability of titanium.
Titanium burns very easily and is extremely difficult and dangerous to work with.
There are few qualified titanium machinists and welders. I have worked with some of them. I have heard stories about how frequently titanium bursts into flames when welded.
The only 2 comapanies in the US I am aware of that does the titanium work I occassionally need are Titanium Industries and Astro Metals.
Give them a call.
?How hot does jet fuel burn? I don’t know. Was it JP5, JP4, JP7, JP8, Jet-A? Lots of different jet fuels out there. What does that matter??
It matters because apparently 2 jet engines weighing 6 tons each are gone, vaporized. This could only happen if jet fuel burns hot enough to vaporize titanium. I personally don?t know how hot it burns, but if I remember correctly titanium melts at about 1600 degrees Celsius. Again if I remember correctly jet fuel burns in an oxygen rich environment at 1, 120 Celsius after 40 minutes, only if the fuel is maintained. I know I saw a fireball in the 5 whole frames of film the government released on the pentagon attack, meaning most of the jet fuel was consumed in the initial fireball.
?Instead, you guys believe the government is evil and satanic (you have to believe this in order to believe it was orchestrated by the President) and is covering up the truth.?
This is another statement I am not sure how to react to. Evil and satanic? Those are some heavy words. I don?t believe anyone on the planet can adequately define evil, so how can we say who is and who isn?t evil. What I do believe is that George Bush, and probably many other presidents we have had (Abraham Lincoln) would do just about anything to, as Lincoln put it, ?preserve the Union?.
I believe Bush has convinced himself that he needs to eradicate every possible perceived threat to the ?Union? and that if he believes he is saving more lives in the long run, he would gladly sacrifice a few thousand Americans to ?save America?. He has pushed the patriot act through just by invoking the tragedy of 911, that has apparently been the pretense behind killing a bunch of innocents in Baghdad as well.
?Composites sometimes just disappear, especially in frontal impacts.?
Well that makes me wonder how such a fragile aircraft can punch neat holes through reinforced concrete at the pentagon.
?Just because the damage to the Pentagon doesn’t resemble what YOU expect it to look like you are willing to believe it’s fake??
Absolutely. I judge everything on what I think, not what the television or the government tells me. Until I hear something more substantial I will believe the government is not being totally honest with us. I have seen pictures of other Boeing 757 crashes ad they don?t look ANYTHING like what I see at the pentagon.
?What(sic) don’t you join the military and give a little back to your nation??
This will probably be viewed as the most controversial thing I have said so far. But I don?t owe my country anything. They take so much of my money, and then they give 9billion dollars a year to Israel. I can live in many other countries where there is less crime, and I can do anything I can do in America in many other countries in the world. America isn?t quite as special as people think, it could be certainly, but since out constitution has been stomped on by presidents for quite some time, we are not the country we were initially designed to be.
So I will not be flamed ad infinitum I will say I completely and utterly support the soldiers, I admire their courage, but to truly support a soldier is not to say, ?I hope he dies in defense (read offense, in Iraq?s case) of our country.? It is to hope that they won?t be put in harms way at all so they can come home to their families and friends and live lives with the people they love, not die on some sandy battlefield so in 50 years children read about the noble president Bush in history class.
[quote]Prince Vegeta wrote:
?How hot does jet fuel burn? I don’t know. Was it JP5, JP4, JP7, JP8, Jet-A? Lots of different jet fuels out there. What does that matter??
It matters because apparently 2 jet engines weighing 6 tons each are gone, vaporized. This could only happen if jet fuel burns hot enough to vaporize titanium. I personally don?t know how hot it burns, but if I remember correctly titanium melts at about 1600 degrees Celsius. Again if I remember correctly jet fuel burns in an oxygen rich environment at 1, 120 Celsius after 40 minutes, only if the fuel is maintained. I know I saw a fireball in the 5 whole frames of film the government released on the pentagon attack, meaning most of the jet fuel was consumed in the initial fireball.
?Instead, you guys believe the government is evil and satanic (you have to believe this in order to believe it was orchestrated by the President) and is covering up the truth.?
This is another statement I am not sure how to react to. Evil and satanic? Those are some heavy words. I don?t believe anyone on the planet can adequately define evil, so how can we say who is and who isn?t evil. What I do believe is that George Bush, and probably many other presidents we have had (Abraham Lincoln) would do just about anything to, as Lincoln put it, ?preserve the Union?.
I believe Bush has convinced himself that he needs to eradicate every possible perceived threat to the ?Union? and that if he believes he is saving more lives in the long run, he would gladly sacrifice a few thousand Americans to ?save America?. He has pushed the patriot act through just by invoking the tragedy of 911, that has apparently been the pretense behind killing a bunch of innocents in Baghdad as well.
?Composites sometimes just disappear, especially in frontal impacts.?
Well that makes me wonder how such a fragile aircraft can punch neat holes through reinforced concrete at the pentagon.
?Just because the damage to the Pentagon doesn’t resemble what YOU expect it to look like you are willing to believe it’s fake??
Absolutely. I judge everything on what I think, not what the television or the government tells me. Until I hear something more substantial I will believe the government is not being totally honest with us. I have seen pictures of other Boeing 757 crashes ad they don?t look ANYTHING like what I see at the pentagon.
?What(sic) don’t you join the military and give a little back to your nation??
This will probably be viewed as the most controversial thing I have said so far. But I don?t owe my country anything. They take so much of my money, and then they give 9billion dollars a year to Israel. I can live in many other countries where there is less crime, and I can do anything I can do in America in many other countries in the world. America isn?t quite as special as people think, it could be certainly, but since out constitution has been stomped on by presidents for quite some time, we are not the country we were initially designed to be.
So I will not be flamed ad infinitum I will say I completely and utterly support the soldiers, I admire their courage, but to truly support a soldier is not to say, ?I hope he dies in defense (read offense, in Iraq?s case) of our country.? It is to hope that they won?t be put in harms way at all so they can come home to their families and friends and live lives with the people they love, not die on some sandy battlefield so in 50 years children read about the noble president Bush in history class.
[/quote]
Evil is as Evil does, and 9/11 was perpetrated by evil people. You are sick in your mind if you think ANY American president is capable of ordering an attack on his own people. Ungreatful people like you make me sick. YOU are the most importint thing in the world to yourself. You have no concept of service to others, sacrifice or honor. You are willing to believe the conspiracy theories because you WANT them to be true.
Engine components are made out of hundreds of different materials. It’s not a big block of titanium.
<<he (President Bush) would gladly sacrifice a few thousand Americans to ?save America?.>>
You are crazy. That’s the dumbest, most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard on any internet site.
You think we’re the bad guys.
I have nothing more to say to you.
[quote]Prince Vegeta wrote:
…
It matters because apparently 2 jet engines weighing 6 tons each are gone, vaporized. This could only happen if jet fuel burns hot enough to vaporize titanium. I personally don?t know how hot it burns, but if I remember correctly titanium melts at about 1600 degrees Celsius. …[/quote]
Doogie already showed pictures of parts of the jet engine that were recovered.
How do you resolve this or do you just ignore it?
Titanium burns easily and doesn’t need to melt first. It is quite likely a significant amount of titanium burned.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
You are sick in your mind if you think ANY American president is capable of ordering an attack on his own people. [/quote]
And they would most certainly never ever edit an EPA report and tell rescue workers, etc that the air quality at ground zero was okey dokey – even after the company in charge of measuring air quality said quote: “For each of these four classes of pollutant, we recorded the highest levels we have ever seen in over 7,000 measurements we have made of very fine air pollution throughout the world, including Kuwait and China.”
White House edited EPA’s 9/11 reports
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Aug 23, 2003
WASHINGTON – At the White House’s direction, the Environmental Protection Agency gave New Yorkers misleading assurances that there was no health risk from the debris-laden air after the World Trade Center collapse, according to an internal inquiry.
President Bush’s senior environmental adviser yesterday defended the White House involvement, saying it was justified by national security.
The White House “convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones” by having the National Security Council control EPA communications after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, according to a report issued late Thursday by EPA Inspector General Nikki Tinsley
Ground Zero Air Wasn’t That Safe?
CBS News
March 17, 2003
(CBS) Ground Zero tests by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in the days immediately after the World Trade Center collapse did not support the agency’s own statements the air around the site was safe to breathe, a newspaper reported.
A report by the EPA’s Office of Inspector General said the agency reached its conclusion on the safety of the air using a cancer risk level 100 times greater than what it normally considers acceptable for public exposure to toxic contaminants.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/health/main544217.shtml
EPA Misled Public on 9/11 Pollution
White House ordered false assurances on air quality, report says
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0823-03.htm
Health problems linger for most 9/11 escapees
More than 56 percent of the survivors said they had new or worsening respiratory ailments, including sinus problems, shortness of breath and a persistent cough.
World trade center dust: U.S. geological survey analysis
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
02/10/2002
“It was important to get the information out to those who needed it,” Clark said. “What we wanted to indicate to emergency response workers and those making decisions about people returning to their homes and offices was that in addition to the high pH, there were heavy metals, especially chromium and aluminum, in the dust which could be released by water.”
On Sept. 27, the information was e-mailed to all the government contacts the team had.
“Then it was sent to EPA, FEMA, OSHA and everyone else that seemed to be in charge,” Clark said. “It was just obvious that people needed to know what was in that dust.”
But even today, most New Yorkers have never been told what the USGS team found in the dust.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/asbestos.nsf/0/8DC49C62C3BDFD2186256CAD0076A1ED?OpenDocument
DEADLIEST SHIRT IN THE WORLD
9/11 survivor’s toxic clothing sparks cancer fear
17 April 2006
THIS deadly 9/11 shirt contains so much asbestos it is feared thousands of the disaster’s survivors could be hit with cancer.
The garment worn by survivor Yehuda Kaploun, 39, has 93,000 times higher levels of asbestos than normal - 47 TIMES the safety limit.
It is also saturated with toxic zinc, mercury, antimony, barium, chromium, cobalt, copper, lead and molybdenum.
Yehuda, who spent two days battling to save lives at Ground Zero, said: "I saw thousands of people covered in the dust. We were told there was no danger. Obviously, this isn’t the case.
“It goes to show how wrong these people were who we trusted.”
Trade Center Debris Pile Was a Chemical Factory, Says New Study
September 10, 2003
The fuming World Trade Center debris pile was a chemical factory that exhaled pollutants in particularly dangerous forms that could penetrate deep into the lungs of workers at Ground Zero, says a new study by UC Davis air-quality experts.
[…]
In the 2002 report, DELTA researchers described their analysis of over 8,000 air samples collected Oct. 2-30, 2001, on a rooftop at 201 Varick St., one mile north-northeast of the trade center complex.
They detailed very high levels of very fine airborne particles – particles that pre-Sept. 11 EPA summaries had showed could raise a person’s risk of lung damage and heart attacks. That analysis has been accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed journal Aerosol Science and Technology.
[…]
In the trade-center air samples, Cahill identified four classes of particles that have been named by the EPA as likely to harm human health:
Fine and very fine transition metals, which interfere with lung chemistry.
Acids, in this case sulfuric acid, which attack cilia and lung cells directly.
Very fine, un-dissolvable (insoluble) particles, in this case glass, which travel through the lungs to the bloodstream and heart.
High-temperature organic matter, many components of which are known to be carcinogens.
“For each of these four classes of pollutant, we recorded the highest levels we have ever seen in over 7,000 measurements we have made of very fine air pollution throughout the world, including Kuwait and China,” Cahill said.
http://delta.ucdavis.edu/WTC.htm
They expect more people to die from the air the “good guys” told them was “safe” than died in the actual attacks – how’s that for irony?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I love you conspiracy theory guys. Please keep posting. When I have a hard day I just click over to your latest nutty thread and break out in laughter.
(Banging hands on table and belly laughing)
Again…many thanks.
Please continue…
Do you think this is God’s military machine we’re talking about, Zeb? For a self-proclaimed Christian, you don’t seem very astute – I think the “master of deception” pulled a fast one on you.
So everyone should except without question this 757 – identical to Flt 77…
is laying right here?
http://www.911truth.org/readingroom/image_archive/pentagon/sgt_jason/in-tact_D.jpg
http://www.911truth.org/readingroom/image_archive/pentagon/sgt_jason/in-tact_C.jpg
Speaking of nutty – how bout’ that Pat Robertson?
Pat Robertson’s Age-Defying Shake
Did you know that Pat Robertson can leg-press 2000 pounds! How does he do it?
YOU of course won’t need to see it to believe it…
[/quote]
Thank you once again for yet more entertainment.
This beats TV by a long shot!
Oh…and those are partial reps that Robertson is doing, they don’t count in my book.
Please write back and not just about President Bush blowing up the Twin Towers (Wahhahaha). But please talk about the Bermuda Triangle and the Kennedy assasination.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Thank you once again for yet more entertainment.
This beats TV by a long shot!
Oh…and those are partial reps that Robertson is doing, they don’t count in my book.
Please write back and not just about President Bush blowing up the Twin Towers (Wahhahaha). But please talk about the Bermuda Triangle and the Kennedy assasination.
[/quote]
One thing you rarely ever hear – “The aliens told me to kill my whole family”
Andrea Yates told her jail psychiatrist, “It was the seventh deadly sin. My children weren’t righteous. They stumbled because I was evil. The way I was raising them they could never be saved. They were doomed to perish in the fires of hell.”
In interview, mother details delusions that spurred her to kill sons
TYLER, Texas (Court TV) – Dressed in white pajamas, Deanna Laney slipped out of bed without disturbing her husband of 18 years and headed down the hall to kill her children.
It was 11:30 p.m. on the Friday before Mother’s Day last year, and God was speaking to the 39-year-old, devoutly religious housewife again.
The Lord told Laney the end was near, He was coming and she needed to kill her sons to prove her complete and unconditional faith in Him, Laney told a forensic psychiatrist in December.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/01/laney/
Mom of drowned kids tried ‘to get devil out’
Bridget Stovall, charged in the drowning of her two small children, told mental health workers she was trying to exorcise the devil and baptize them in the bathtub.
http://www.cincypost.com/2001/may/03/drown050301.html
God Told Him to Kill Parents
A college student who confessed to shooting his parents and then breaking a chain saw trying to cut up their bodies said, “God told me to” in a interview with police.
Father: God Told Me To Sacrifice Wife, Children
A man sentenced to 90 years in prison for attempting to set his Orlando home on fire with his family sleeping inside said God commanded him to sacrifice his wife and children, according to a Local 6 News report
http://www.local6.com/news/9009375/detail.html
David Berkowitz: Son of Sam
In David’s diseased mind demons lived within the dogs and their howling was the way they ordered David to go hunting for blood – the blood of pretty young women.
David warned people that they should take him seriously. “This Sam and his demons have been responsible for a lot of killing.” Unfortunately, in David’s scheme of things, only God could destroy Sam at Armageddon. At various times in David’s mind, Sam was the Devil.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/berkowitz/21.html
Joseph Edward Duncan III: Compulsive Child Molester/Killer
Rather than just shoot them, he chose instead to bind them and use the claw hammer to bludgeon them to death. Each person heard the others being killed, which bears witness to Duncan’s need to inflict psychological as well as physical torture. He also described to Shasta and Dylan what he had done to their family and recorded his treatment of them for his later enjoyment.
Duncan, 42, had grown mean over the years, and viewed his treatment as unjust. He’d kept a Web diary labeled “Blogging the Fifth Nail,” a reference to the nails used on Jesus Christ during his crucifixion. In some entries, Duncan discussed the idea of right and wrong and his awareness that he did not know the difference. “God has shown me the right choice,” he wrote in April 2005, “but the demons have tied me to a spit and the fire has already been lit.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0102_joseph_duncan_profile.html
Eddy Gein: The Model for Buffalo Bill and Psycho
The funny-looking bowl was a top of a human skull. The lampshades and wastebasket were made from human skin.
A ghoulish inventory began to take shape: an armchair made of human skin, female genitalia kept preserved in a shoebox, a belt made of nipples, a human head, four noses and a heart.
The more they looked through the house, the more ghastly trophies they found. Finally a suit made entirely of human skin. Their heads spun as they tried to tally the number of women that may have died at Eddie’s hands.
How does a child evolve into an Eddy Gein? A close look at his childhood and home life provides a number of clues.
Augusta, a fanatically religious woman, was determined to raise the boys according to her strict moral code. Sinners inhabited Augusta’s world and she instilled in her boys the teachings of the Bible on a daily basis. She repeatedly warned her sons of the immorality and looseness of women, hoping to discourage any sexual desires the boys might have had, for fear of them being cast down into hell.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/gein/bill_1.html
George Bush: ‘God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq’
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Thank you once again for yet more entertainment.
This beats TV by a long shot!
Oh…and those are partial reps that Robertson is doing, they don’t count in my book.
Please write back and not just about President Bush blowing up the Twin Towers (Wahhahaha). But please talk about the Bermuda Triangle and the Kennedy assasination.
One thing you rarely ever hear – “The aliens told me to kill my whole family”
Andrea Yates told her jail psychiatrist, “It was the seventh deadly sin. My children weren’t righteous. They stumbled because I was evil. The way I was raising them they could never be saved. They were doomed to perish in the fires of hell.”
In interview, mother details delusions that spurred her to kill sons
TYLER, Texas (Court TV) – Dressed in white pajamas, Deanna Laney slipped out of bed without disturbing her husband of 18 years and headed down the hall to kill her children.
It was 11:30 p.m. on the Friday before Mother’s Day last year, and God was speaking to the 39-year-old, devoutly religious housewife again.
The Lord told Laney the end was near, He was coming and she needed to kill her sons to prove her complete and unconditional faith in Him, Laney told a forensic psychiatrist in December.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/01/laney/
Mom of drowned kids tried ‘to get devil out’
Bridget Stovall, charged in the drowning of her two small children, told mental health workers she was trying to exorcise the devil and baptize them in the bathtub.
http://www.cincypost.com/2001/may/03/drown050301.html
God Told Him to Kill Parents
A college student who confessed to shooting his parents and then breaking a chain saw trying to cut up their bodies said, “God told me to” in a interview with police.
Father: God Told Me To Sacrifice Wife, Children
A man sentenced to 90 years in prison for attempting to set his Orlando home on fire with his family sleeping inside said God commanded him to sacrifice his wife and children, according to a Local 6 News report
http://www.local6.com/news/9009375/detail.html
David Berkowitz: Son of Sam
In David’s diseased mind demons lived within the dogs and their howling was the way they ordered David to go hunting for blood – the blood of pretty young women.
David warned people that they should take him seriously. “This Sam and his demons have been responsible for a lot of killing.” Unfortunately, in David’s scheme of things, only God could destroy Sam at Armageddon. At various times in David’s mind, Sam was the Devil.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/berkowitz/21.html
Joseph Edward Duncan III: Compulsive Child Molester/Killer
Rather than just shoot them, he chose instead to bind them and use the claw hammer to bludgeon them to death. Each person heard the others being killed, which bears witness to Duncan’s need to inflict psychological as well as physical torture. He also described to Shasta and Dylan what he had done to their family and recorded his treatment of them for his later enjoyment.
Duncan, 42, had grown mean over the years, and viewed his treatment as unjust. He’d kept a Web diary labeled “Blogging the Fifth Nail,” a reference to the nails used on Jesus Christ during his crucifixion. In some entries, Duncan discussed the idea of right and wrong and his awareness that he did not know the difference. “God has shown me the right choice,” he wrote in April 2005, “but the demons have tied me to a spit and the fire has already been lit.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0102_joseph_duncan_profile.html
Eddy Gein: The Model for Buffalo Bill and Psycho
The funny-looking bowl was a top of a human skull. The lampshades and wastebasket were made from human skin.
A ghoulish inventory began to take shape: an armchair made of human skin, female genitalia kept preserved in a shoebox, a belt made of nipples, a human head, four noses and a heart.
The more they looked through the house, the more ghastly trophies they found. Finally a suit made entirely of human skin. Their heads spun as they tried to tally the number of women that may have died at Eddie’s hands.
How does a child evolve into an Eddy Gein? A close look at his childhood and home life provides a number of clues.
Augusta, a fanatically religious woman, was determined to raise the boys according to her strict moral code. Sinners inhabited Augusta’s world and she instilled in her boys the teachings of the Bible on a daily basis. She repeatedly warned her sons of the immorality and looseness of women, hoping to discourage any sexual desires the boys might have had, for fear of them being cast down into hell.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/gein/bill_1.html
George Bush: ‘God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq’
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That was perfect how you tied all of the above in and then ended with a similar slam on Bush!
I FREAKIN LOVED IT!
Do more…
Don’t stop.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
That was perfect how you tied all of the above in and then ended with a similar slam on Bush!
I FREAKIN LOVED IT!
Do more…
Don’t stop.
[/quote]
Hey I couldn’t disappoint you – and that was a pretty good tie-in if i do say so myself.
I just assumed it was the same pro-life, pro-war God they were all talking to.
“‘Please,’ Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, ‘don’t kill me.’”
-Talk Magazine, Sept. 1999
JustTheFacts,
Not that you are not entertaining me as it is. But, would you mind expanding your thought process to include other government cover ups.
Now…I’ve listed them before, but I don’t want to hem you in.
Simply feel free to bring up any and all government cover ups that you think have occurred.
I anxiously await.
Zeb
ZEB, have you seen the loose change video? I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but it definitely tweaks my curiosity:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194
[quote]Mishima wrote:
when there were 1.0000000000 witnesses why has nobody taken just one picture. proof me wrong, but there is not ONE picture showing a crashed plane.[/quote]
There are pictures showing debris from a crashed plane at the Pentagon, but the plane was reportedly nowhere near the size of a Boeing jet… A wheel hub of the aircraft was reported as only being 3’ in diameter (more appropriate for a military plane rather than a commercial airliner). This makes the critics wonder and to date, this phenomenon hasn’t been explained. I’d also further note, that despite the newly released video, nobody here can conclusively verify that whatever aircraft smacked into the Pentagon was indeed a commercial airliner.
Peace be with all.
In the mid-1990’s, the governing authorities of the U.S. and the U.N. prohibited themselves from using the word “genocide” during official meetings to describe the atrocities taking place in Africa, particularly Rwanda and Sierra Leone, even though fully realizing that over 800,000 innocent victims were being massacred. The use of this word - genocide - would mandate sufficient peacekeeping forces to action, so world leaders made certain to severely downplay events in these third world countries. Assistance was eventually sent, but far too little and far too late, and quite possibly for non-humanitarian motivates. Their peoples suffer to this day.
Of the nine ways of participating in another’s sin, one is through silence. One could argue that the U.S. has done its fair share of that. It’s plausible to assume that a nation / international community with a weak conscience sins in more ways than one…
Peace be with all.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
ZEB, have you seen the loose change video? I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but it definitely tweaks my curiosity:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194[/quote]