I’m 45 and on a-gel every day.(Dr. prescribed)My question is: Do I need pct such as clen for a cycle that I plan on doing or should I just concern myself with anti-e such as a-dex? I would like to keep as much of my gains as possible, as most people probably do…
Thanks, timhlbrk
actually I would go back to the doctor and request the test shots. most on this board on hrt have found the shots to be better, but some have had success with andro gel.
andro gel, I dont believe will be strong enough to help keep the gains you want to keep from the clen.
andro gel is just designed to replace what your body was supposed to produce, so if you run a cycle you should run it as though you were not on the gel. yes with pct!!!
now if you were taking shots of a test base product then you would be able to look at it differently, and I belive this would give you more options.
my experience is with hrt not cycles, maybe someone with cycle more experience will chime in.
I would think you’d need an Anti-E or Aromatase inhibitor to cancel out the conversion of the excess levels to estrogen but you shouldn’t need PCT cause you aren’t going off (“post cycle” denotes that you stop no?).
As long as your exogenous levels are staying above normal then it doesn’t matter anyways (who cares what your boys are putting out if you’re putting more in yourself). Just taper the Test shots down until you are back around normal levels so it isn’t too much of a shock dropping back down.
Correct me if I’m wrong guys.
I was under the impression that pct was required due to the lack of one’s own production of T after a cycle.Being on hrt, I wouldn’t be experiencing that problem, I realize that an anti-E needs to be used, I was just concerned about maintaining gains post-cycle.I am not using clen for my cycle by the way.
A-drol 100mg ED
Winny 100mg ED
Nolvadex 20mg ED
Milk thistle,nac,ala etc....
I intend for this to be an eight week cycle. I am on androgel 7.5 g ED which has my test level at or around 900ng/dl, which is where I would be post cycle.
Hey Bulldogg, I dig your avatar
Ya know, I would try out the shots before you use AAS(I know, basically the same thing). Alot of people have commented that the shots are much stronger/better results for everything HRT concerned.
Get the shots first, then see how you feel if your still hell bent on a cycle THEN go for it.
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
Ya know, I would try out the shots before you use AAS(I know, basically the same thing). Alot of people have commented that the shots are much stronger/better results for everything HRT concerned.
Get the shots first, then see how you feel if your still hell bent on a cycle THEN go for it.[/quote]
Problem is, I’m at around 900ng/dl on gel and doc feels that is borderline too high! He won’t budge, plus I really want some more mass. I am however re-thinking my choice of cycles.After researching this sites archives and searches (love them) I think OT is the way to go for me. Not too toxic, gains are not easily lost etc…
[quote]timhlbrk wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
Ya know, I would try out the shots before you use AAS(I know, basically the same thing). Alot of people have commented that the shots are much stronger/better results for everything HRT concerned.
Get the shots first, then see how you feel if your still hell bent on a cycle THEN go for it.
Problem is, I’m at around 900ng/dl on gel and doc feels that is borderline too high! He won’t budge, plus I really want some more mass. I am however re-thinking my choice of cycles.After researching this sites archives and searches (love them) I think OT is the way to go for me. Not too toxic, gains are not easily lost etc…[/quote]
God dam! Its no wonder he won’t budge. Hell, big props to your doc for letting you go that high without lowering your dose!
Im assuming your on 10mg of androgel right?
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
timhlbrk wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
Ya know, I would try out the shots before you use AAS(I know, basically the same thing). Alot of people have commented that the shots are much stronger/better results for everything HRT concerned.
Get the shots first, then see how you feel if your still hell bent on a cycle THEN go for it.
Problem is, I’m at around 900ng/dl on gel and doc feels that is borderline too high! He won’t budge, plus I really want some more mass. I am however re-thinking my choice of cycles.After researching this sites archives and searches (love them) I think OT is the way to go for me. Not too toxic, gains are not easily lost etc…
God dam! Its no wonder he won’t budge. Hell, big props to your doc for letting you go that high without lowering your dose!
Im assuming your on 10mg of androgel right?
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7.5mg ,I was on 10mg and scored off the chart and doc lowered me to 7.5 
correct you wont need pct for restarteing your test production I was thinking in terms of using pct to help keep your gains made from the cycle. and yes I agree that OT is a better choice!!
I too am looking at a cycle of OT.
[quote]timhlbrk wrote:
I was under the impression that pct was required due to the lack of one’s own production of T after a cycle.Being on hrt, I wouldn’t be experiencing that problem, I realize that an anti-E needs to be used, I was just concerned about maintaining gains post-cycle.I am not using clen for my cycle by the way.
A-drol 100mg ED
Winny 100mg ED
Nolvadex 20mg ED
Milk thistle,nac,ala etc....
I intend for this to be an eight week cycle. I am on androgel 7.5 g ED which has my test level at or around 900ng/dl, which is where I would be post cycle.
Hey Bulldogg, I dig your avatar[/quote]
thanks yours to.
(I love my Baby)
OK, bushidobadboy, again thanks for the valued reply. If I were to do a-drol/winny, how long could I get away with in your opinion?Also, if I were to do say, 60 mg ot ED would I basically end up with the same amount of mass and strength post cycle as a-drol/winny after losing water weight etc? I’m looking to pack on as much mass as possible, but muscle not fat.
Bulldogg, you nailed it. I’m concerned with maintaining what I payed for! I want to know what pct should be done post cycle of OT to achieve that. Thanks, timhlbrk
OK you guys have seemed to help somewhat. I’m still a little torn though, the promise of great mass and strength from a’drol/winny seems enticing but, if it’s all pissed away I don’t want it… If I do manage to keep gains, how long of a a’drol/winny cycle would be safe in your opinion bushidobadboy? How much mass/strength can be gained on say, 60mg. OT ED for 8-10 weeks or whatever is tolerable?
Bulldogg, is that a Neopolitan?
OK, I f------ up, I didn’t realize my last post was going up, so I typed another, my bad…
Switch to test injections instead and there is no reason why your doc can put you in range of up to 1500. The best TRT would be following the protocols of Dr. John Crisler. He is one of the best antiaging docs in the nation. Ask your doc about him, Im sure he will know of him and probably has been to one of his courses. www.allthingsmale.com you will find two articles on there that shows you the best way for TRT. Basically, you will be on your test cyp injection along with HCG which is shot twice a week. 250IU’s 2 days before your test injections and another 250IU’s 1 day before your test injection. I have been on this for some time now and I have seen great results. Just be sure to add some arimidex in there to control the estrogen which can be from the HCG.
Bushy,
I appreciate your taking the time to reply to a novice.I’m trying to put together what I think will be the best (most productive/safe/retained gains) cycle and this is my way of doing my homework.
I’ve done alot of searches here and read a fair amount of archives, unfortunately I’m a pipeline worker and not a f***ing chemist LOL.Some of the reading material here is pretty deep. How long could/should I stay on OT at say 60mg ED and how much gains could I conservatively expect to see/keep?
Alternatively I'm considering;
Test cyp. 500mg wk wks 1-10
Eq. 300mg wk wks 1-10
A-drol. 50mg ED wks 1-4
Nolvadex 20mg ED wks 1-10
Milk thistle,NAC etc…
Any good words on those little catsup package injectables ( I don’t want to say their name)
Thanks, Timhlbrk
I’m on a-gel hrt, will this keep my test levels up post cycle?