Ive been on epistane for 4 weeks and am thinking of taking 6-oxo for serm,Any thought on this or ideas for a better serm.
thanks
Stay away from 6-oxo and get yourself some nolvadex from a research chem company. I would run 40/40/20/20 mg/wk, but then again I have never been on a 4 week cycle.
6-oxo is not a serm but is instead a relatively poor aromatase (sp?) inhibitor.
Some people manage to pull this off after a mild havoc cycle but Ive still come across the odd report on forums of delayed gyno.
Some nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) run alongside your normal liver support supps, etc. will do the trick at the dosing az outlined above: 40/40/20/20.
[quote]benmoore wrote:
6-oxo is not a serm but is instead a relatively poor aromatase (sp?) inhibitor.
Some people manage to pull this off after a mild havoc cycle but Ive still come across the odd report on forums of delayed gyno.
Some nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) run alongside your normal liver support supps, etc. will do the trick at the dosing az outlined above: 40/40/20/20.[/quote]
X2
and 6oxo doesn’t do shit. Patric Arnold was in trouble after a proper non sponsored clinical trial of this shit showed it actually increases estradiol.
“Relative to the ability of 6-OXO to inhibit aromatization by way of our serum hormone markers, estrone underwent overall increases of 22% and 52% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively, and estradiol underwent overall increases of 27% and 12% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively.”
Here’s the link of the article:
http://blog.anthonyrobertsonline.com/2008/12/6-oxo-from-ergopharm-study-shows-no-increase-in-muscle/
Use Clomiphene citrate (Clomid) or Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)as suggested above.
Also learn to do some research before starting a cycle. It’s for your own good man.
BC
or Toremifene.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
benmoore wrote:
6-oxo is not a serm but is instead a relatively poor aromatase (sp?) inhibitor.
Some people manage to pull this off after a mild havoc cycle but Ive still come across the odd report on forums of delayed gyno.
Some nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) run alongside your normal liver support supps, etc. will do the trick at the dosing az outlined above: 40/40/20/20.
X2
and 6oxo doesn’t do shit. Patric Arnold was in trouble after a proper non sponsored clinical trial of this shit showed it actually increases estradiol.
“Relative to the ability of 6-OXO to inhibit aromatization by way of our serum hormone markers, estrone underwent overall increases of 22% and 52% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively, and estradiol underwent overall increases of 27% and 12% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively.”
Here’s the link of the article:
http://blog.anthonyrobertsonline.com/2008/12/6-oxo-from-ergopharm-study-shows-no-increase-in-muscle/
Use Clomiphene citrate (Clomid) or Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)as suggested above.
Also learn to do some research before starting a cycle. It’s for your own good man.
BC [/quote]
Saying just take nalvadex or clomid is alot easier than actually getting some.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
benmoore wrote:
6-oxo is not a serm but is instead a relatively poor aromatase (sp?) inhibitor.
Some people manage to pull this off after a mild havoc cycle but Ive still come across the odd report on forums of delayed gyno.
Some nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) run alongside your normal liver support supps, etc. will do the trick at the dosing az outlined above: 40/40/20/20.
X2
and 6oxo doesn’t do shit. Patric Arnold was in trouble after a proper non sponsored clinical trial of this shit showed it actually increases estradiol.
“Relative to the ability of 6-OXO to inhibit aromatization by way of our serum hormone markers, estrone underwent overall increases of 22% and 52% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively, and estradiol underwent overall increases of 27% and 12% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively.”
Here’s the link of the article:
http://blog.anthonyrobertsonline.com/2008/12/6-oxo-from-ergopharm-study-shows-no-increase-in-muscle/
Use Clomiphene citrate (Clomid) or Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)as suggested above.
Also learn to do some research before starting a cycle. It’s for your own good man.
BC
Saying just take nalvadex or clomid is alot easier than actually getting some.[/quote]
Assuming you have a credit card or something its pretty easy to find on the internet.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
benmoore wrote:
6-oxo is not a serm but is instead a relatively poor aromatase (sp?) inhibitor.
Some people manage to pull this off after a mild havoc cycle but Ive still come across the odd report on forums of delayed gyno.
Some nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) run alongside your normal liver support supps, etc. will do the trick at the dosing az outlined above: 40/40/20/20.
X2
and 6oxo doesn’t do shit. Patric Arnold was in trouble after a proper non sponsored clinical trial of this shit showed it actually increases estradiol.
“Relative to the ability of 6-OXO to inhibit aromatization by way of our serum hormone markers, estrone underwent overall increases of 22% and 52% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively, and estradiol underwent overall increases of 27% and 12% for 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively.”
Here’s the link of the article:
http://blog.anthonyrobertsonline.com/2008/12/6-oxo-from-ergopharm-study-shows-no-increase-in-muscle/
Use Clomiphene citrate (Clomid) or Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)as suggested above.
Also learn to do some research before starting a cycle. It’s for your own good man.
BC
Saying just take nalvadex or clomid is alot easier than actually getting some.[/quote]
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Go to a gym. Talk up some of the biggest guys.
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Go to a random supplement store, one of those small ones (we have those around here) spend some money, talk the owner up straight,
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Easiest safest way-order some research chem nolva over the interwebs. I’ll send you a PM.
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Stare at my avatar for 3 weeks. It WILL rise your test levels.
If you live with your parents and don’t want to freak the shit out of them use a combination of 1 and 3 or 2 and 3. You can get nolva relatively easily once you have it figured out.
If you live with your parents you should not be using gear.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
If you live with your parents you should not be using gear.[/quote]
Bro, I meant in case he’s about 21 and still living with his parents. Guess in the US things are a little different then over here 
It’s normal to live with your parents until about 27 years of age around here. Go figure
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Westclock wrote:
If you live with your parents you should not be using gear.
Bro, I meant in case he’s about 21 and still living with his parents. Guess in the US things are a little different then over here It’s normal to live with your parents until about 27 years of age around here. Go figure :/[/quote]
Holy fuck. Where is this place ? China ?
I suppose I still went home for most of the summers till I was 22. But thats not really living with my folks.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Westclock wrote:
If you live with your parents you should not be using gear.
Bro, I meant in case he’s about 21 and still living with his parents. Guess in the US things are a little different then over here It’s normal to live with your parents until about 27 years of age around here. Go figure :/[/quote]
I don’t know where “here” is, but I don’t believe that. No 27 in their right mind would want to live with their parents.
Well our culture is pretty different around here 
Never heard of Malta?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
Westclock wrote:
If you live with your parents you should not be using gear.
Bro, I meant in case he’s about 21 and still living with his parents. Guess in the US things are a little different then over here It’s normal to live with your parents until about 27 years of age around here. Go figure
I don’t know where “here” is, but I don’t believe that. No 27 in their right mind would want to live with their parents. [/quote]
yeah haha ironically enough it is (sadly) true mate. Thing is even a small apartment costs a lot around here. So young couples (normally between age 24-26) get a loan, live with their parents until about age 27 to ‘save some more money’ and then marry and go live at their place. Yep.