I just turned 20 and am planning on doing my first juice cycle ever,I got a pretty solid strenght/size base. just wondering if a 8 week test E+dbol cycle would be good.
my pct is as follows:
SERM -taximofen citrate (1 bottle from chemone will do the trick?)
Nolvadex XT (supplement)
Nitro t3, it’s a mix of ZMA,tribulus and nitrogen retention ingredients to maybe hold some gains
milkthistle
hawthorn
bottle of prostate cleanser or something,not sure the exact name but I had it for a while and never used it
I need to know how to do my cycle too if anyone experienced could tell me… like
weeks 1-8 test E
week 1+2 dbol
week 6+8 dbol
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and right now I’m doing HST training because I find it’s good for natural training but I heard working every muscle seperatly once a week with high volume works better since it doesn’t burn your body out from blasting it with set after set on gear. should I do high volume or stick with high intensity ?
[quote]celltek wrote:
I just turned 20 and am planning on doing my first juice cycle ever,I got a pretty solid strenght/size base. just wondering if a 8 week test E+dbol cycle would be good.
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Question 1) What exactly are we talking about as far as a solid base? Give us stats.
To this day, I still don’t know why the hell people throw in this bogus stuff.
Question 2) Why didn’t you do more research on a proper cycle before buying all that stuff?
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and right now I’m doing HST training because I find it’s good for natural training but I heard working every muscle seperatly once a week with high volume works better since it doesn’t burn your body out from blasting it with set after set on gear. should I do high volume or stick with high intensity ?[/quote]
Question 3) Why not both? You don’t have to take it easy on yourself while on cycle, that’s the idea. Push yourself, reach new levels.
thanks for answering bro…stats:lifting four years,205-210 lbs, 10-12 BF? I never used a caliper but I box too and abs are visible but I don’t look shreded by no means haha,I incline press 225,flat dbell press 100s,I do A2G squats with 275,my DL is poo rather not say haha…
now about milk thistle and hawthorn why did you call it bogus that shit is suppose to work isn’t it…and yeah I did research it before posting here, I just wanted some opinions from people who cycled before!
I know i’m being like a 5 year old asking millions of questions but could ya guys deal with me haha because I’m new to this deal. What would be the best type of training split for someone using super supps?
heres my thoughts.
8 weeks is kinda short for test-e. how about 10 or 12 weeks would be better. 500mg/wk is usually a good first cycle. Should be injected twice a week. You might want to forget the dbol for first cycle just to see how you react to the test. Then you can build off that for following cycles. for PCT you just need nolva. You may also want to have an AI on hand for during the cycle in case you need it. Are you looking for strength or mass? A good classic bodybuilding style program would be the growth surge program.
I don’t know how much Test or Dianabol you have available, but the usual approach is to use the fast-acting orals (Dianabol) to kick-start the cycle. Basically, you want to load up on it for your first 3,4, or 5 weeks (depending on how much you have).
Remember that results are dose-dependent, the higher your daily dose… the more results you get. I’d shoot for 30mg to 50mg. During this, you want to start your injections. Test E has a pretty long ester, as you probably know, so try to inject every 3rd day (E3D). Here’s the thing: Your first cycle is usually your best cycle if you do it right. So keep that Test E dosage around 500mg split every 3rd day.
You say you box, here’s the downfall: The more calories you burn training cardio, the more you’re robbing your muscles of fuel for growth. In layman’s terms, keep your cardio moderate and take in plenty of calories. Remember to get plenty of sleep, take in lots of protein, and lift heavy.
alright…got all that down pat I think I’ll do a 9 week cycle,first four weeks I’ll take Dbol and see how that works. Yeah I might cut down on the boxing for a while when I start this cycle up…so i’m aiming for 1G of test e a week split up in 2 doses,30 mg of dbols for the first four weeks…and I didn’t buy the test E yet but it’s all I can get for injection that I know of…There’s only know of 1-2 dealers around here locally and all they have is M1T,Dbol,test E…how much do you think 9 grams of test e would cost me in Canada
i think you misunderstood. 500mg/wk split into 2 250mg doses. You really should try to stretch the cycle out a little longer. Be sure to get your PCT stuff BEFORE you start the cycle as well.
I agree. My first cycle was a lot like yours, but it was 12 weeks long. 8 or 9 sounds a bit too short to get the full benefits. And you definitely need to have something to combat gyno beforehand. I personally don’t worry too much about the bit of water bloat. That film of water is necessary to max out on growth.
yeah I ain’t worry about water bloat haha…could someone give me the price range for about a gram of test E. I guess I’ll run for 10 weeks but no longer
[quote]celltek wrote:
yeah I ain’t worry about water bloat haha…could someone give me the price range for about a gram of test E. I guess I’ll run for 10 weeks but no longer :p[/quote]
What he saying is that you do not need a gram a week, 500 mg will be just fine. So you will get 5 weeks out of 1 10ml jug @ 250 mg per ml. Typically you will prolly be paying around $75 per jug…give or take depending on who you know or who you dont.
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Why the Fu*ck is ANYONE giving a 20YEAR OLD advice on using AAS!!!
Seriously!? is this what the forum is coming to?!!
PLEASE! CALLING ALL VETS - P22, Bushy, Rain Jack, Ubi, DC Trainer Schwarzenegger etc etc etc please tell me you havent left! what is happening around here!?
To the OP - You really have no idea what your doing…GO REASEARCH and then come back when you can put a cycle together worth doing and worth anyones critique.
Your body is still producing enough T to be utilised, using at this age is a very dumb mistake.
haha thanks for the warning, but I’ve made up my mind…I’m 20 years old dude and know what I’m getting myself into…
I was considering it when I was 18 but my gym buddies told me I should wait until I’m done my teen years then go for it so there’s no turning back now and I already baught the DBOL and ordering PCT and I researched tons about PCT and different types of AAS but there’s too many different opinions on it all…I know a shitload more now thanks to everyone who helped me out so here is what my plan is
Weeks 1-4 DBOL @ 30 MG split up in 3 doses, Morning,pre-workout, bed time
Week 1-10 test E @ 500mg a week
Week 12-whenever Start PCT of Nolvadex XT and taximofen citrate.
NOW ANOTHER QUESTION! how should I run my taximofen I baught off chemone,what doses do you guys recommend?
[quote]celltek wrote:
haha thanks for the warning, but I’ve made up my mind…I’m 20 years old dude and know what I’m getting myself into…
I was considering it when I was 18 but my gym buddies told me I should wait until I’m done my teen years then go for it so there’s no turning back now and I already baught the DBOL and ordering PCT and I researched tons about PCT and different types of AAS but there’s too many different opinions on it all…I know a shitload more now thanks to everyone who helped me out so here is what my plan is
Weeks 1-4 DBOL @ 30 MG split up in 3 doses, Morning,pre-workout, bed time
Week 1-10 test E @ 500mg a week
Week 12-whenever Start PCT of Nolvadex XT and taximofen citrate.
NOW ANOTHER QUESTION! how should I run my taximofen I baught off chemone,what doses do you guys recommend? [/quote]
looks like you’re getting it figured out.
The dosing can be done many different ways. Personally I would do 40mg/day week 1 with the first day being a large dose (something like 80mg). 30mg/day week 2. 20mg/day week 3. 10mg/day week 4. Then a couple days at 5mg/day.
This is on the conservative side as far as the taper goes, but I like to be on the safe side. Some people do 40/mg for 2 weeks and then 20 mg for 2 weeks. Do a search-there are many threads on different protocols. You could also throw in some TRIBEX if you wanted to help get things back to normal a little quicker.
alright sounds good so 60ML @ 25mg per ml bottle from chemone should do the trick,and yeah I’ll definatly get that TRIBEX or any tribulus if I can’t find it. And my final questions are where to inject it but I can probably ask my dealer that haha…but if you guys got any recommendations…shoot
And I didn’t really look on how to use taximofen yet in liquid form but I’m guessing you mix it with water and drink it
and my final question how much weight should I expect to gain from a average bulk diet…I’ll be eating atleast 2 grams of protein per BW along with 250-300 carbs a day and around 25g of healthy fat a day… and if anyone can give me an advanced high volume routine or tell me how much I should be able to train on a weekly basis so I can plan out my workout schedule before I start…like if I do 15 sets of chest mon and maybe do like only 4 outa the 15 sets to failure or dropsets when’s it gonna be good to go again
[quote]celltek wrote:
alright sounds good so 60ML @ 25mg per ml bottle from chemone should do the trick,and yeah I’ll definatly get that TRIBEX or any tribulus if I can’t find it. And my final questions are where to inject it but I can probably ask my dealer that haha…but if you guys got any recommendations…shoot
And I didn’t really look on how to use taximofen yet in liquid form but I’m guessing you mix it with water and drink it
and my final question how much weight should I expect to gain from a average bulk diet…I’ll be eating atleast 2 grams of protein per BW along with 250-300 carbs a day and around 25g of healthy fat a day… and if anyone can give me an advanced high volume routine or tell me how much I should be able to train on a weekly basis so I can plan out my workout schedule before I start…like if I do 15 sets of chest mon and maybe do like only 4 outa the 15 sets to failure or dropsets when’s it gonna be good to go again
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I think you have some more reading before you start this cycle. from your diet layout, you’re looking at like maybe 3000 cals. You are not going to gain on those cals. I weigh less then you and thats like 600 cal under my maint cals. also, find a good program before you start-don’t just try to half ass something.
Like I said before, the growth surge project is a good program to follow. I usually train 3 on 1 off using that routine and do a couple exercises for the lacking group-calves on the off day.
As far as the TC goes, just suck out the amount you want and squirt it in your mouth. There is no need to mix it with anything.
I agree with fire, read up some more champ it will only take you a week or what not to know what you need re: training and cals.
I mean I am yet to do my cycle but I have been reading and talking to alot of people about it and I’m still learning on some aspects like training while using and diff pct items and what not.
not trying to be a dick bro just giving my thought, because for real you want to gain as much muscle am I right? but if you want to keep the maority of it you should have your whole plan from start to finish down tight, Hell I’d be so strict and on a tight line while doing mine I’d even put down the time’s I will piss and sneez.
read up more and you’ll be fine champ.
oh p.s. as for where to inject most would go the ass cheek, or the thigh. But read up on that to some sites have a pic of where to do it make sure you read that though and look at the pics they show because you do have a few nervs to avoid.
Is nolvadex XT some stupid OTC supplement you get from GNC or something? Because tamoxifen citrate is the REAL nolvadex. You seriously don’t need that OTC crap, the tamox will be fine.
[quote]JoeyD20 wrote:
Is nolvadex XT some stupid OTC supplement you get from GNC or something? Because tamoxifen citrate is the REAL nolvadex. You seriously don’t need that OTC crap, the tamox will be fine.[/quote]
i think you need to find some buddies in real life to help assist you. Thats the way to do things, do it with people who do it. Especialy when starting. Believe me thers alot to know. Starting with fake gear. Injections, sources, PCT. your Nolva is whack buy the real stuff Nolva. GNC doesnt gear PCT please…
