Which is why (per @Silyak’s link) seven people have been arrested for engaging in this behavior.
It looked so fun when those Iraqi dudes did it. Some Army guys even helped.
Of course the Selfie kids in the US want to try.
Why were the police standing with their hands in the pockets in the first place is what I wonder…
I suppose for the same reason they decline to engage in high-speed pursuits for trivial crimes.
Not trying to whataboutism here, but if these Nazis were ISIS members who weren’t currently breaking any laws and were just preaching their view with ISIS, organizing protests in the streets, garnering national attention, and getting what is akin to “well there’s 2 sides to every story guys,” (which only strengthens the cause due to the clearly implied support to them) would you feel the same way?
Agreed. People are being stupid. A lot of that is stemming from the fact that a Nazi murdered someone in cold blood in America in 2017 and the POTUS made it, what, 24 hours before walking back his condemnation of Nazis. I will wholeheartedly agree they’re still going about this wrong. By being violent you only add opposition to your cause. They should be doing this via the govt the way the South has been.
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Are they going to put the statue back?
I have no idea.
It’s like NAMBLA and PRIDE combined forces to defeat an old hunk of concrete and steel! Inspiring! My favorite parts were when the fat guy spit on the statue and flipped it the bird, and when the courageous transgender individual in the red shirt led a charge to kick it! It was also inspiring to watch that fat thing climb the ladder and manage not to fall, early in the video!
I hope they weld a black penis into his mouth for reparations, if they do! Maybe they can chop him off at the knees and let a female statue use a strap-on on him! That would serve his bigoted, racist, chauvinist, sexist statue-ass right!
Scariest part is that I think the one that climbed the ladder is female.
You have no idea, so please don’t use terms like that. This link may help you avoid being a bigot in the future: http://www.transstudent.org/definitions
It may be a Boi, according to my studies. Please note that I used the word “thing” to describe it in my earlier post, and that’s because I view that as a less offensive way of referring to such individuals.
*I’m not saying I’m an Ally(because one does not self-identify as such but shows one is such through action), but you may correctly see me as being one.
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Well, I have to. As long as they obey the law and are not violent they have the right to say what they want. Hell no I wouldn’t like it, I would hate it, but I firmly believe in the 1st ammendment and free speech is protected. As long as don’t break the law and hurt people or insight violence, the I just have to eat it.
But I have the right to speak out against them too. And I can organize a counter if I want to. And that, my friend, is the good news.
They are there to enforce the law, that’s why they call it ‘Law enforcement’. It was not an unmanageable crowd and the could have called for backup. I understand if the cops were not there, but they were. If they are there,they are to be proactive not reactive.
My opinion is that the people they arrested should be forced to pay for its replacement.
Then, during the election cycle put a vote on the ballot. If the majority wants it gone, then respect the vote and remove it. If not, tough shit.
Yeah, it’s not brave to tear down a chunk of copper. Would they have picked up a front load riffle musket and stand in the line with the US in the Civil War? I doubt it. I can’t say I wouldn’t have shit my pants fighting that war. A lot of people died, a lot. And there are angels and demons on both sides.
There is a story of a Confederate soldier after a day of battle, who collected everything he could from his comrades, jumped the defenses and cared for the wounded Federal troops. Is he a bad guy?
The 20/20 vision of the past seems more like 20/200 vision right now. Lincoln declared ‘malice toward none’.
They also are expected to exercise something called ‘discretion.’
I don’t think you’re in a position to make that call.
Well, yes. By those lights, the Governor could have called out the National Guard as well. But that might well have escalated the situation. Again, discretion.
A decision to exercise restraint is proactive.
Specifically in regards to what recently happened, is that not EXACTLY what happened? I mean it obviously ended with a Nazi murdering someone, but it doesn’t seem that out of place for the POTUS to publicly condemn the side that murdered someone, right?
I’m all for keeping the govt out of shit that isn’t their business, but a Nazi rally (group of people America has literally gone to war with) held around a govt owned piece of land where said Nazi’s murdered someone in the streets seems like a pretty good time for the govt to weigh in.
Well, I would retort that neither Obama or the Bush’s who weighed in called out the neo-nazi’s by name. The condemned racial bigotry of all sorts, which is fine with me, there was not shortage of bigotry there.
In regards to that particular gathering, it was peaceful for a time, I suppose. But who threw the ‘first punch’? That’s information I have not been able to get. Aside from the nazi murderer doing his best ISIS impression, who started the melee? I think that is an important fact to know and other than reporting that there was a confrontation, it doesn’t mention which side, the whities, or the couterprotesters who started it.
If people were destroying your property, would you want the police to exercise such restraint?
I think there is a balance that needs to be reached. I don’t want the police to baton and beat the shit out of people, but I do want them to do something about the destruction of public or private property if they are there.
If it’s out of control, that’s different, but it looked very much to me like a few bad actors in mostly peaceful crowd.
At least no one got hurt. I reckon that’s the good news.
Want has nothing to do with it. It is what I would expect.
You are second-guessing the decisions of the police who were on the ground at the time that statue was pulled down.
Neither of these people are sitting Presidents. What they do with their free time doesn’t really impact what POTUS
Is there an answer that makes murdering someone with a car less “murder-y” here? Is there a world where we ever call it self defense? Is there any possible outcome or set of information that would come close to justify a Nazi killing an American citizen in the streets in 2017?
In a realistic sense, it’s probably impossible to truly discern which side “started it.” Personally I wouldn’t care, as this case is pretty straightforward to me. On one side you have people (pussies) who are touting the beliefs of a group that murdered millions of innocent people and started WWII, fucking Nazis. On the other side, it doesn’t matter, because Nazis.
That’s all I’ve got, because that’s all I need. If I knew nothing other than “Nazis are publicly gathering for Nazi things” I would automatically KNOW I don’t support it.