First of all why did they let an arab muslim in the U.S. Army. Were they afraid to say “Im sorry Mr.Muslim, but youre an arab and a muslim and we just dont feel that it would be a good idea for you to be in the U.S. Army right now, you know with all the death to america talk by arab muslims.”
And they still say what a peace loving religion Islam is. Despite how the muslim holy book, the quran which muslims hold to be the supreme word of allah, tells them to kill all unbelievers. The “extreme” muslims are actually following islam the way its meant to be followed.
Number two, why was a female cop given credit for bringing down the terrorist in the Ft Hood shooting when it really was a male cop that did it. Was it am attempt by the media to say “A petite single mother came in and saved the day while all the big strong men cowered in fear, so therefore, women can do any job a man can do”?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
First of all why did they let an arab muslim in the U.S. Army. Were they afraid to say “Im sorry Mr.Muslim, but youre an arab and a muslim and we just dont feel that it would be a good idea for you to be in the U.S. Army right now, you know with all the death to america talk by arab muslims.”
And they still say what a peace loving religion Islam is. Despite how the muslim holy book, the quran which muslims hold to be the supreme word of allah, tells them to kill all unbelievers. The “extreme” muslims are actually following islam the way its meant to be followed.
Number two, why was a female cop given credit for bringing down the terrorist in the Ft Hood shooting when it really was a male cop that did it. Was it am attempt by the media to say “A petite single mother came in and saved the day while all the big strong men cowered in fear, so therefore, women can do any job a man can do”?[/quote]
Well…I could care less about any debate of muslims in the Army…but I do take issue with you discrediting officer Munley and making a sexist issue. Regardless of who did what,she still is a hero for putting her life on the line and being first responder to confront Hasan. She helped stopped a massacre…plain and simple…fuck you AND the media.
Replace Muslims and Islam with Nazism. Say we also have a war with them. Would Openly Nazi recruits be allowed to train with and serve with our soldiers?
To put it another way, say it’s circa 1940. Would the US military have allowed the US Nazi party members to enlist? You know the answer and also know how much America has Changed.
Your point about PC may be valid; Hasan was clearly behaving for years like someone who had radical and violent views. Somebody should have spoken up. Either they were afraid of seeming anti-Muslim, or they were simply incompetent, but at any rate somebody should have been able to catch the warning signs of a potential terrorist.
I’m going to make my second point in hopes that you actually might take it to heart. One of the strengths of this country is freedom of religion. We do not discriminate based on creed, and nobody is persecuted for how he worships. Why is such tolerance a virtue? It allows people to think for themselves, and it prevents the brutal harrying of religious sects that was common before America was founded. If you are from a minority religion or a religion that was persecuted in the past, you have an instinctive recollection of this; if not, you’ll need to exercise a little imagination. The miracle of modern democracies is that, unlike most governments throughout history, they do not enforce religious belief, and offices - including the military – are open to the qualified, regardless of their background and religion.
By all means fire people who go around saying things supportive of terrorism. But we’d lose our core values if we disqualified anyone based on religion. I’m willing to assume you don’t have close Muslim friends and have never met a patriotic one. I have (he wants to serve his country as a diplomat) and he has the same rights as any other American citizen.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Let’s speculate for a second.
Replace Muslims and Islam with Nazism. Say we also have a war with them. Would Openly Nazi recruits be allowed to train with and serve with our soldiers?
To put it another way, say it’s circa 1940. Would the US military have allowed the US Nazi party members to enlist? You know the answer and also know how much America has Changed. [/quote]
Don’t forget that America (and Canada) ‘interred’ citizens of Japanese descent during WW2.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Let’s speculate for a second.
Replace Muslims and Islam with Nazism. Say we also have a war with them. Would Openly Nazi recruits be allowed to train with and serve with our soldiers?
To put it another way, say it’s circa 1940. Would the US military have allowed the US Nazi party members to enlist? You know the answer and also know how much America has Changed. [/quote]
Don’t forget that America (and Canada) ‘interred’ citizens of Japanese descent during WW2. [/quote]
[quote]clip11 wrote:
First of all why did they let an arab muslim in the U.S. Army. Were they afraid to say “Im sorry Mr.Muslim, but youre an arab and a muslim and we just dont feel that it would be a good idea for you to be in the U.S. Army right now, you know with all the death to america talk by arab muslims.”
And they still say what a peace loving religion Islam is. Despite how the muslim holy book, the quran which muslims hold to be the supreme word of allah, tells them to kill all unbelievers. The “extreme” muslims are actually following islam the way its meant to be followed.
Number two, why was a female cop given credit for bringing down the terrorist in the Ft Hood shooting when it really was a male cop that did it. Was it am attempt by the media to say “A petite single mother came in and saved the day while all the big strong men cowered in fear, so therefore, women can do any job a man can do”?[/quote]
Well…I could care less about any debate of muslims in the Army…but I do take issue with you discrediting officer Munley and making a sexist issue. Regardless of who did what,she still is a hero for putting her life on the line and being first responder to confront Hasan. She helped stopped a massacre…plain and simple…fuck you AND the media. [/quote]
Yeah and fuck you too. The problem is is why is the media giving her credit for doing something a male officer really did, while not giving him any credit at all because its politically incorrect to do so? Why are they playing up a falsehood by making her to be the only hero? Why werent any men who helped given credit? If she really did what the media tries to say she did, it would be them just reporting a fact. But they are promoting a falsehood for the sake of political crrectness.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Your point about PC may be valid; Hasan was clearly behaving for years like someone who had radical and violent views. Somebody should have spoken up. Either they were afraid of seeming anti-Muslim, or they were simply incompetent, but at any rate somebody should have been able to catch the warning signs of a potential terrorist.
I’m going to make my second point in hopes that you actually might take it to heart. One of the strengths of this country is freedom of religion. We do not discriminate based on creed, and nobody is persecuted for how he worships. Why is such tolerance a virtue? It allows people to think for themselves, and it prevents the brutal harrying of religious sects that was common before America was founded. If you are from a minority religion or a religion that was persecuted in the past, you have an instinctive recollection of this; if not, you’ll need to exercise a little imagination. The miracle of modern democracies is that, unlike most governments throughout history, they do not enforce religious belief, and offices - including the military – are open to the qualified, regardless of their background and religion.
By all means fire people who go around saying things supportive of terrorism. But we’d lose our core values if we disqualified anyone based on religion. I’m willing to assume you don’t have close Muslim friends and have never met a patriotic one. I have (he wants to serve his country as a diplomat) and he has the same rights as any other American citizen.[/quote]
I understand your second point. Im not saying arab american muslims should be dragged away at gunpoint for being muslim. But is allowing them yo serve in the U.S. military wise when more than likely, they’re a muslim first and a soldier second.
In the 1940’s would a japanese or a german nazi be allowed to be in the U.S. military? No, and for obvious reasons, the same reasons an arab muslim shouldnt be in the military. Its just that 1940’s America was much more “politically incorrect” compared to now.
Im not against their right to be muslim, just questioning the intelligence of letting them be in the military at this time.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
First of all why did they let an arab muslim in the U.S. Army. Were they afraid to say “Im sorry Mr.Muslim, but youre an arab and a muslim and we just dont feel that it would be a good idea for you to be in the U.S. Army right now, you know with all the death to america talk by arab muslims.”
And they still say what a peace loving religion Islam is. Despite how the muslim holy book, the quran which muslims hold to be the supreme word of allah, tells them to kill all unbelievers. The “extreme” muslims are actually following islam the way its meant to be followed.
Number two, why was a female cop given credit for bringing down the terrorist in the Ft Hood shooting when it really was a male cop that did it. Was it am attempt by the media to say “A petite single mother came in and saved the day while all the big strong men cowered in fear, so therefore, women can do any job a man can do”?[/quote]
Well…I could care less about any debate of muslims in the Army…but I do take issue with you discrediting officer Munley and making a sexist issue. Regardless of who did what,she still is a hero for putting her life on the line and being first responder to confront Hasan. She helped stopped a massacre…plain and simple…fuck you AND the media. [/quote]
Yeah and fuck you too. The problem is is why is the media giving her credit for doing something a male officer really did, while not giving him any credit at all because its politically incorrect to do so? Why are they playing up a falsehood by making her to be the only hero? Why werent any men who helped given credit? If she really did what the media tries to say she did, it would be them just reporting a fact. But they are promoting a falsehood for the sake of political crrectness.
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You might want to check your sources as to “who” did “what” before diving into a rant about political correctness and sexism. She was the first to shoot Hasan…he took him into custody.
He has been on several TV interviews with his partner,Munley. He doesn’t want the publicity…he has stated so. So maybe there is a hint of too much focus on Munley because of that fact. But that doesn’t make an argument for “political correctness” in making falsehoods to trump her as a hero. Maybe it’s your sexist views that are providing a false political correctness.
I’m going to make my second point in hopes that you actually might take it to heart. One of the strengths of this country is freedom of religion. We do not discriminate based on creed, and nobody is persecuted for how he worships. Why is such tolerance a virtue? It allows people to think for themselves, and it prevents the brutal harrying of religious sects that was common before America was founded. If you are from a minority religion or a religion that was persecuted in the past, you have an instinctive recollection of this; if not, you’ll need to exercise a little imagination. The miracle of modern democracies is that, unlike most governments throughout history, they do not enforce religious belief, and offices - including the military – are open to the qualified, regardless of their background and religion.
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Alisa, one thing to keep in mind is that serving in the military is not a “right”. The military can and does discriminate. Maj. Hasan had every right to practice his religion, but NO right to gain a commission in the army. Military service requires stricter standards. When I served, I was a Combat Crew Commander for nuclear missiles (Minuteman III). Imagine if Maj. Hasan had not been a mere psychologist, but had been in my job. The potential consequences are grave. Make no mistake, he could have committed his crime in civilian life just as easily, but the broader risk in other military fields is much greater. As I said, he had every right to his religion, but no right to serve in the military.
Well…I will play along with that. BUT would this truly be a case of “political correctness” OR just plain misinformation?? After all,there was a lot of initial misinformation with the whole situation.
And the Killeen police has nothing to do with what information was released. There was no “agenda” from them because Munley/Todd are Department of the Army police officers for the base,NOT KPD officers.
The FBI/Department of the Army is responsible for the misinformation(IF it is). The PC is fault of the media…mainly in not correcting the story(IF finally true). But I have seen him on numerous TV interviews…even with Munley. Remember,I did say fuck the media…my friendly “fuck you” still stands though.
Officer Todd did say that he went around the building and found Munley on the ground and Hasan fumbling with weapon. He also stated that he didn’t know if Munley OR Hasan had been shot beforehand. He didn’t witness their exchange. So there is nothing to draw a final conclusion on until ballistics tests come out.
Both have always been equally credited here in Killeen media with stopping the shooting…which they did. This isn’t Jessica Lynch.