[quote]ghost87 wrote:
I’m from Wisconsin. I know about Paul Ryan well.
He will come armed to the teeth showing we are going off the fiscal cliff. He will eat Bidens lunch in the debates.
He is not some robot. He has personality. People like him in Wisconsin since he’s sincere. He also will inject some youth into the race.[/quote]
Ghost:
Biden is a pretty shrewd Politician.
I just don’t think that he will allow himself to be pulled into arguing numbers, percentages and pie charts. He will most assuredly highlight how both camps differ in how they would deal with our fiscal crises.
Mufasa [/quote]
As if numbers, percentages and pie charts actually win debates. LOL…no really Romney missed the mark on the Ryan pick so very badly that I’m still a bit shocked. He’s over estimated the average voter’s degree of interest and intelligence on the issues. And that will prove to be a very costly error. Does Romney actually think the majority of people are going to be impressed by Geek Ryan and his mastery of what we need to do to become fiscally responsible?
Oh my gosh who is advising this man? Certainly not Karl Rove I’m sure.
About 100 million people are on some sort of government assistance. I’m sure they’re going to want to hear Ryan’s big plans for cutting them off. The Obama people are going to slice and dice Ryan like so much bologna through a meat grinder. It’s going to be quite a show. And for those pulling for Obama Christmas has just come early.
Congrats guys Obama might very well be the second worst President of our modern era (after LBJ). But, he is a politically astute man who knows how to get on top and stay there. Of course Romney has helped with that hasn’t he?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
He is not the worst possible pick that Romney could have made, but very close to it.
First and foremost he has no charisma. For the umpteenth time the average Joe does NOT decide who he likes based on the man being able to rattle off facts and figures which Ryan is well capable of doing. They choose based on how the person looks and their gut reaction to those looks. Ryan looks like a big goofy kid who has his fathers sport coat on. If you look close enough you will see the word “geek” written on his forehead.
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At times he even comes off as ‘cold & heartless’.
IMO…I favor a ‘matter of fact’ approach to the issues, but that is not politics is it. [/quote]
You have it exactly right!
Ronald Reagan is a good example of the consummate politician. He was fun, likeable and charismatic. But he was dead serious on the issues. People vote for someone who makes them feel good. Rubio has a great story to tell and is not the author of a cut and slash budget that may be necessary and could have been implemented after he was elected. But for heaven sakes DON’T PICK THE GUY WHO AUTHORED THE FREAKIN THING TO RUN ON THE TICKET!
Well. If you’re right ZEB. And you very well may be. Then we have truly stepped through the door of authentically substanceless celebrity benefactor hero worship. The one hundred and eighty degree diametric opposite of what the founders told us would have to be for us to survive.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I was suprised w/the job he did on the speech in Norfolk today. Well written and delivered. [/quote]
Glad you reminded me of that. I heard a good portion of it on my car radio I was reminded of Ryan’s high pitched voice. He sounded like a High School senior giving a commencment address.
But…yeah I liked what he was saying a whole lot.
But keep in mind that in the media age how you sound means at least as much as what you are saying. Lincoln couldn’t get elected in 2012 as he had a high pitched voice as well.
Thinking it over, the repubs were never going to out ‘hope and change’ Obama anyways. A Romney campaign was never going to scoot by with vague platitudes and hope-and-changey emotion. Might as well put the facts out there every day, over and over. Big entitlement cuts, privatization, and reform will come now or later. Later will just be a hell of a lot more painful. Let 'em (us) decide between fantasy and hard reality. Let’s do this!
[quote]Sloth wrote:Thinking it over, the repubs were never going to out ‘hope and change’ Obama anyways. A Romney campaign was never going to scoot by with vague platitudes and hope-and-changey emotion. Might as well put the facts out there every day, over and over. Big entitlement cuts, privatization, and reform will come now or later. Later will just be a hell of a lot more painful. Let 'em (us) decide between fantasy and hard reality. Let’s do this![/quote]This is why I agreed with Pitbull that Ryan would have made the better candidate. Liberal lite is what lost the last election. [quote]ZEB wrote:<<< But for heaven sakes DON’T PICK THE GUY WHO AUTHORED THE FREAKIN THING TO RUN ON THE TICKET![/quote]I say that’s exactly what you DO do. More meat less bone. Full on naked transparency. If that really doesn’t win anymore than it IS over fer sher and it doesn’t matter WHO’S elected.
[quote]Sloth wrote:Thinking it over, the repubs were never going to out ‘hope and change’ Obama anyways. A Romney campaign was never going to scoot by with vague platitudes and hope-and-changey emotion. Might as well put the facts out there every day, over and over. Big entitlement cuts, privatization, and reform will come now or later. Later will just be a hell of a lot more painful. Let 'em (us) decide between fantasy and hard reality. Let’s do this![/quote]This is why I agreed with Pitbull that Ryan would have made the better candidate. Liberal lite is what lost the last election. [quote]ZEB wrote:<<< But for heaven sakes DON’T PICK THE GUY WHO AUTHORED THE FREAKIN THING TO RUN ON THE TICKET![/quote]I say that’s exactly what you DO do. More meat less bone. Full on naked transparency. If that really doesn’t win anymore than it IS over fer sher and it doesn’t matter WHO’S elected.
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IMO if McCain would have chose Lieberman McCain would be President today
Keep in mind that there’s an unusually low number of undecided voters right now. This pick wasn’t to grab more undecided voters, but it was to solidify the base and get more people to vote which could be crucial in a race that ends up being very close.
Lets not forget other factors like the many states that require voter ID and states that offer better times for voter registration and earl voting for republican districts than democratic districts. The republicans in power understand very well it’s not about the undecided votes, but more about keeping democrats from voting and getting more republicans to vote.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Keep in mind that there’s an unusually low number of undecided voters right now. This pick wasn’t to grab more undecided voters, but it was to solidify the base and get more people to vote which could be crucial in a race that ends up being very close.
Lets not forget other factors like the many states that require voter ID and states that offer better times for voter registration and earl voting for republican districts than democratic districts. The republicans in power understand very well it’s not about the undecided votes, but more about keeping democrats from voting and getting more republicans to vote.[/quote]
I’m not a big fan of politics for the mere fact that each party just degrades the other one constantly. Anyways, my parents are both Republicans and will be voting for Romney. My mom cannot stand Obama and would disown me if I voted for him, which I am not. I am not a big fan of Obama just because over and over I hear of how he has not done much for the economy. To the point, by just reading and hearing things, I am getting the idea that if Obama gets reelected that the country is literally fucked. The idea that the US will be a shitty place to live and that so on. I will be voting for Romney, but I feel like Obama is going to win due to all the idiots who vote for him just to do it.(I once heard a girl from my school say I cannot wait to vote for Obama, he is so nice.)
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
I’m not a big fan of politics for the mere fact that each party just degrades the other one constantly. Anyways, my parents are both Republicans and will be voting for Romney. My mom cannot stand Obama and would disown me if I voted for him, which I am not. I am not a big fan of Obama just because over and over I hear of how he has not done much for the economy. To the point, by just reading and hearing things, I am getting the idea that if Obama gets reelected that the country is literally fucked. The idea that the US will be a shitty place to live and that so on. I will be voting for Romney, but I feel like Obama is going to win due to all the idiots who vote for him just to do it.(I once heard a girl from my school say I cannot wait to vote for Obama, he is so nice.)[/quote]
He depends on these empty headed imbeciles and those who are dependent on a government hand out to win. And of course I don’t want to leave out the unions. He has rewarded them handsomely for his 08’ win and they’ll be there again this year.
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
I’m not a big fan of politics for the mere fact that each party just degrades the other one constantly. Anyways, my parents are both Republicans and will be voting for Romney. My mom cannot stand Obama and would disown me if I voted for him, which I am not. I am not a big fan of Obama just because over and over I hear of how he has not done much for the economy. To the point, by just reading and hearing things, I am getting the idea that if Obama gets reelected that the country is literally fucked. The idea that the US will be a shitty place to live and that so on. I will be voting for Romney, but I feel like Obama is going to win due to all the idiots who vote for him just to do it.(I once heard a girl from my school say I cannot wait to vote for Obama, he is so nice.)[/quote]
He depends on these empty headed imbeciles and those who are dependent on a government hand out to win. And of course I don’t want to leave out the unions. He has rewarded them handsomely for his 08’ win and they’ll be there again this year. [/quote]
Zeb;
I’m sure the Romney will have just as many empty headed imbeciles who are dependent on government hand outs AND Union Members voting for him.
The more I think about this pick, the more I believe that it was one done in the careful and calculated managerial style that Romney has been known for during this campaign.
He wasn’t going to go “outside-the-box” (e.g. Rice); some most likely didn’t pass some vetting issue (while it may not be true, Rubio comes to mind); and he wasn’t going to pick someone that Conservatives liked more than him (Petraeus).
He needed to make a pick, so he picked someone “safe”, in the sense that at least Ryan doesn’t lose Romney any significant voting block within the base.
As far as “firing up and solidifying the conservative base”?
The President has done that FAR better than the “Romney/Ryan” ticket can ever hope to.