[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Only Cincinnatus in the list was worthy of respect. Churchill was a criminal, who admitted in his diary that he suckered the Germans into attacking the USA, thus bringing us into the war (WWI). Napolean had an opportunity to make France a great nation and instead chose to murder his neighbors.
It’s well known that Churchill wanted war. And believe me, I’m not a fan of his attitudes towards either the Irish or the Unions. But the man led his country, which was a democracy, through the darkest of days, and eventually to victory against an enemy that seemed indestructible. Stop being asinine and give credit where it’s due.
Napolean indeed had noble intentions at the beginning, and was doing wonderfully until he declared himself Emperor. Of course, any man who makes the hieracrchies of Europe tremble in fear is a man who is OK with me, minus his own vanity or personal ambitions.
You need to stop being so fucking idealistic. Washington owned other humans, as did Jefferson (and he banged’em). Lincoln, as much as I love him, did suspend Habeas Corpus and imprison politicians. Roosevelt was a huge drinker who married his damn cousin. This shit happens… you have to decide whether the good was worth the bad.
Anyone who deals in absolutes is an imbecile. You are toeing that line carefully… and falling.
America is actually the ONLY moral country ever purposely created. Americans were the first to understand that your life belongs to YOU, not to the government, the king, or the herd. Only when we began to copy the Europeans, especially adopting altruism as our morality, did we begin to suck. Hillary or Barack will probably complete the transformation — then I will agree with you, that America sucks donkey balls.
Really? So the Athenian democracy was terrible compared to ours? After the Romans created a senate with two consuls just so one man could not have power for too long… there’s was inferior also?
No country sets out from the start to be the baddest motherfuckers on the block. They turn that way slowly after they get drunk on military might and overwhelming influence on their neighbors. America is heading down this road because of Republican led imperialistic ventures… although the Democrats have not been much better either. That was not the original American intention, but the we know what the road to hell was paved with.
No one can be a saint and a politician. Sure, we all know that. That’s why our Founding Fathers tried to set it up so no one could make our government wicked. Trouble is, that conflicts with the principles of Altruism, and Altruism won. You no longer own yourself — try skipping your income tax or real estate tax.
Churchill used innocent crews on neutral ships as bait. He ordered his ships to charge periscopes and never surrender, to even attack a white flag. The Germans, understandably, shot at everything in sight. Churchill was a war criminal. If you give him a pass, you have to praise Bush.
When people accept altruism, they accept the use of force in relationships. You’re allowed to rob someone to help the needy. You become a thug, just like most of DC and Hillary.
Now, why did the Athenians kill Socrates again?
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Because he perverted the youth and showed no respect for the gods?
His idea for an alternative sentence did not help.