If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, when all is said and done you cannot charge a man with “corruption” as you just did without solid proof. And that means having far more than hateful Internet articles. And if there were solid proof he would be behind bars like Jim Baker. So aside from the fact that YOU, or some third party thinks he’s a bad guy you still need the proof. You don’t have it, what you have is simply some guys opinion on the Internet. I’m sure there’s some truth to some of it but when you ad it all up it really doesn’t amount to anything. Because if it did, as I said he would have been bagged a long time ago.
And with that said, I can only reiterate what I’ve said in the past. He’s done a ton of good things for people all over the world, Christians and non Christians alike. The fact that some non Christians hate him is not a surprise as they hate most high profile Christians, it’s part of their “religin.”
Hey, they crucified Jesus Christ and it wasn’t because he did anything wrong.
[/quote]
Actually other folks have charged corruption. Ol’ Pat has connections politically big time and he funnels lots of money into political figures, this buys clout, he uses said leverage to avoid charges, it’s like corruption 101 ZEB. I get it, it’s kind of like you’re view on the legal pot thing, just say you want it legal cause you like it. Same here. Just say you’re gonna like Pat cause he’s a conservative Christian and he’s done good things for the party and the religion regardless of whatever shady ventures he’s been involved in.
He actually was found in violation but because of his political connections he essentially got a slap on the wrist “geez we’re real sorry and we’ll promise to watch those books tighter…here’s another campaign contribution”
“Also unreported-- until two pilots came forward with the story in 1997-- was the fact that Operation Blessing’s tax-exempt cargo planes were used almost exclusively for Roberton’s diamond-mining operation, not for humanitarian purposes. A subsequent investigation by Virginia authorities turned up evidence for charging Operation Blessing with violations of the state’s charitable solicitation law. But the office of Virginia Attorney General Mark Earley, who had received a $35,000 campaign contribution from Robertson, declined to prosecute. Robertson reimbursed Operation Blessing for the use of the planes, and the charity agreed to tighten its financial controls.”
–This is not opinion, it is fact. You don’t have to all of a sudden not like the guy but there’s more here than just internet haters. In that whole time period what we did learn is that Pat has no issue cozying up with murderers/thieves/warlords (Charles Taylor, Mobutu Sese) if it meant prospective business for him, so the tripping over yourself you are doing to justify his Chavez comments is a bit weak my friend.
"“Based on their track record, I would say that, as an individual, I would not give to Operational Blessing,” admitted the Rev. Charles Henderson, a Presbyterian minister, who is the executive director of the Association for Religion and Intellectual Life.
According to its most recent filing with the Internal Revenue Service, Operation Blessing gave more than half of its yearly allocation of cash donations – $885,000 – to the Christian Broadcasting Network, or CBN, of which Robertson is also the chairman."
If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
What to do with them?[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that…I know Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientists who use THC to relax.
If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
What to do with them?[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that…I know Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientists who use THC to relax.
[/quote]
If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
What to do with them?[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that…I know Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientists who use THC to relax.
[/quote]
I actually meant the cops, DAs and prison guards. [/quote]
Keep them at current levels, and stop letting folks who get DUI’s/Illegal Immigrants ect…walk for lack of prison space.
Federal law mandates that drug arrests get a higher priority than lots of other nasty folks…eliminate the non-violent weed arrests and suddenly you have lots of space and money for the baddies.
If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
What to do with them?[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that…I know Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientists who use THC to relax.
[/quote]
I actually meant the cops, DAs and prison guards. [/quote]
Keep them at current levels, and stop letting folks who get DUI’s/Illegal Immigrants ect…walk for lack of prison space.
Federal law mandates that drug arrests get a higher priority than lots of other nasty folks…eliminate the non-violent weed arrests and suddenly you have lots of space and money for the baddies.
[/quote]
But catching, prosecuting and imprisoning real criminals is, like, though work dude?
What they gonna do?
Collect evidence, make a case in court, be careful when they lock someone up?
What in their lives so far could have possibly prepared them for that?
If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]
Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]
Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]
That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.
If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.
Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.
Again. [/quote]
It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.
[/quote]
But the people doing that right now have never held a decent job in their entire life!?!
What to do with them?[/quote]
Not sure what you mean by that…I know Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientists who use THC to relax.
[/quote]
I actually meant the cops, DAs and prison guards. [/quote]
Keep them at current levels, and stop letting folks who get DUI’s/Illegal Immigrants ect…walk for lack of prison space.
Federal law mandates that drug arrests get a higher priority than lots of other nasty folks…eliminate the non-violent weed arrests and suddenly you have lots of space and money for the baddies.
[/quote]
But catching, prosecuting and imprisoning real criminals is, like, though work dude?
What they gonna do?
Collect evidence, make a case in court, be careful when they lock someone up?
What in their lives so far could have possibly prepared them for that?[/quote]
[quote]storey420 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
But, when all is said and done you cannot charge a man with “corruption” as you just did without solid proof. And that means having far more than hateful Internet articles. And if there were solid proof he would be behind bars like Jim Baker. So aside from the fact that YOU, or some third party thinks he’s a bad guy you still need the proof. You don’t have it, what you have is simply some guys opinion on the Internet. I’m sure there’s some truth to some of it but when you ad it all up it really doesn’t amount to anything. Because if it did, as I said he would have been bagged a long time ago.
And with that said, I can only reiterate what I’ve said in the past. He’s done a ton of good things for people all over the world, Christians and non Christians alike. The fact that some non Christians hate him is not a surprise as they hate most high profile Christians, it’s part of their “religin.”
Hey, they crucified Jesus Christ and it wasn’t because he did anything wrong.
Actually other folks have charged corruption. Ol’ Pat has connections politically big time and he funnels lots of money into political figures, this buys clout, he uses said leverage to avoid charges, it’s like corruption 101 ZEB. [/quote]
Well those “other folks” should come up with really good evidence. Because those “other folks” are doing nothing more than spreading rumors othewise. That’s why we have a criminal justice system in the US. If there are charges preferred then the accused can answer those charges in a court of law. BUT…Robetson has never been charged, and as far as I know never even been investigated. Oh my …how could those “other folks” be so wrong? As for the accusation of “clout” I suspect that no one had more clout than say John Edwards the multi-millionaire democratic Presidential candidate. Yet, he’s standing trial in April. Bill Clinton had some clout too as President of the US, yet he was impeached. Hmm…let’s see who else had plenty of clout? How about former Governor Blagojevich? Yet, he’s doing what? 15 years? Nothing is as upsetting as someone who is NOT in the know assuming that because someone has money and or power he can break laws and not pay the price. Many times it’s just the opposite because of their high profile they are more of a target. As I’ve said before the feds love to bust High profile people it makes their organization look good.
Come back when you have more than rumor and innuendo from “other folks.”
I’ve already told you now at least twice that no question people tend to believe the best of others who hold similar views. That’s not secret it’s human nature! Aside from that you’ve posted nothing more than pot shots taken from those who have a different world view. It’s more like YOU don’t share his view therefore YOU want to believe the worst.
One more time:
SHOW ME THE PROOF!
If you can I will agree that he is a bad guy. But you can’t so droning on and on about how you don’t like him and “other folks” allege this and that…means NOTHING! And as a side note I do have just a bit better objectivity than most people. I don’t buy into the Obama is a Muslim crap that some on the far right try to push. Nor did I buy into the Clinton’s killing people to gain power, one more nutty theory spread by some on the far right. Take a deep breath and admit that because you don’t like someone does not make them bad.
When there’s no proof I tend to give the person the benefit of the doubt. You should try that sometime for several reasons. not the least of which is that YOU may want the benefit of the doubt someday.
LOL…Show me the proof. Where is it? What was the incident? Where was he charged? What was the slap on the wrist? What agency gave him this wrist slap?
You have nothing! And there is a reason for that.
It is just like the pot issue - Just say you don’t like him and move on. The rest of this is borderline comical.
If there was solid evidence he would have been prosecuted. ESPECIALLY by an Attorney General who is up for reelection every four years or so. Now you are in essence accusing the head law enforcement offical of a state of malfeasance and bribery! This is pure hogwash. You now have to prove that the Attorney General of the state of Virginia has committed multiple crimes. Stop thinking like Joe average and rise above your hatred.
I don’t think you have to worry about that. You have in fact proven that it is ALL Internet haters as you are one of them. Why in the wide blue world would you spend 7 or 8 posts trying to convince me and anyone else who reads this stuff that Robertson is a bad guy if you didn’t hate him? And ask yourself why you hate him so much. I think that is far, far more interesting than this Robertson non story.
More empty charges that you cannot prove. Plenty of hate though, that’s evident.
Ha ha…the Pastor in our Church just told our congregation that their primary giving should be to their church. One Pastor telling someone that they shouldn’t give to Robertson’s church? Oh my…the utter horror! LOL
By the way I disagreed with our Pastor-- But that’s another story.
Good for him I would do the same thing! CBN does a lot of good for a very wide group of people on many different levels. You assume that because he owns it that it is wrong to make such a contribution. Now you have to explain why it’s wrong. It’s certainly not illegal, or immoral in any way.
(yawn)
Got anything else?
So far I’ve not asked you for sources to any of your baseless innuendo because up to this point even if it was true it amounts to nothing. But if you want to continue throwing stones make sure that you give me the source for each of your “charges.” For example, if you have IRS records on his charity post where you got them and then the allegations which they allude to.
Aside from that we’ve reached a point where debating this back and forth is getting redundant. You say something that has no merit I point it out etc. Don’t get me wrong obviously your option to keep posting anyway (or you can stop trying to tarnish a good man’s name). I get a kick out of your seething hatred for a guy you never met…But somehow just KNOW that he’s bad. He must be bad after all because…YOU DON’T LIKE HIM!
Hey Storey how many people have you and I effected in such a positive way? We should be as “bad” as Pat Robertson.
[quote]By implementing programs that provide hunger relief, medical aid, disaster relief, clean water, microenterprise and sommunity development, OBI has helped more than 202.7 million people in more than 105 countries and all 50 states as well as distributed goods valued at more than $1.4 billion.
…delivered and given away more than 164 million pounds of food
provided more than 109 million meals to the needy
driven more than 4.4 million miles
provided 9.7 million pounds of relief and disaster relief supplies assistance.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Storey how many people have you and I effected in such a positive way? We should be as “bad” as Pat Robertson.
[quote]By implementing programs that provide hunger relief, medical aid, disaster relief, clean water, microenterprise and sommunity development, OBI has helped more than 202.7 million people in more than 105 countries and all 50 states as well as distributed goods valued at more than $1.4 billion.
…delivered and given away more than 164 million pounds of food
provided more than 109 million meals to the needy
driven more than 4.4 million miles
provided 9.7 million pounds of relief and disaster relief supplies assistance.
Again I never said good things weren’t done. I acknowledge that, merely pointing out that there is another side to the story. And for the record I don’t hate Pat Robertson. I don’t hate anyone, I consider myself a true christian in that regard (Jesus didnt “hate” anyone) regardless of what Westboro baptist thinks. If ol’ Pat needed help truly I would give it to him despite my views on him.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
But, when all is said and done you cannot charge a man with “corruption” as you just did without solid proof. And that means having far more than hateful Internet articles. And if there were solid proof he would be behind bars like Jim Baker. So aside from the fact that YOU, or some third party thinks he’s a bad guy you still need the proof. You don’t have it, what you have is simply some guys opinion on the Internet. I’m sure there’s some truth to some of it but when you ad it all up it really doesn’t amount to anything. Because if it did, as I said he would have been bagged a long time ago.
And with that said, I can only reiterate what I’ve said in the past. He’s done a ton of good things for people all over the world, Christians and non Christians alike. The fact that some non Christians hate him is not a surprise as they hate most high profile Christians, it’s part of their “religin.”
Hey, they crucified Jesus Christ and it wasn’t because he did anything wrong.
Actually other folks have charged corruption. Ol’ Pat has connections politically big time and he funnels lots of money into political figures, this buys clout, he uses said leverage to avoid charges, it’s like corruption 101 ZEB. [/quote]
Well those “other folks” should come up with really good evidence. Because those “other folks” are doing nothing more than spreading rumors othewise. That’s why we have a criminal justice system in the US. If there are charges preferred then the accused can answer those charges in a court of law. BUT…Robetson has never been charged, and as far as I know never even been investigated. Oh my …how could those “other folks” be so wrong? As for the accusation of “clout” I suspect that no one had more clout than say John Edwards the multi-millionaire democratic Presidential candidate. Yet, he’s standing trial in April. Bill Clinton had some clout too as President of the US, yet he was impeached. Hmm…let’s see who else had plenty of clout? How about former Governor Blagojevich? Yet, he’s doing what? 15 years? Nothing is as upsetting as someone who is NOT in the know assuming that because someone has money and or power he can break laws and not pay the price. Many times it’s just the opposite because of their high profile they are more of a target. As I’ve said before the feds love to bust High profile people it makes their organization look good.
Come back when you have more than rumor and innuendo from “other folks.”
I’ve already told you now at least twice that no question people tend to believe the best of others who hold similar views. That’s not secret it’s human nature! Aside from that you’ve posted nothing more than pot shots taken from those who have a different world view. It’s more like YOU don’t share his view therefore YOU want to believe the worst.
One more time:
SHOW ME THE PROOF!
If you can I will agree that he is a bad guy. But you can’t so droning on and on about how you don’t like him and “other folks” allege this and that…means NOTHING! And as a side note I do have just a bit better objectivity than most people. I don’t buy into the Obama is a Muslim crap that some on the far right try to push. Nor did I buy into the Clinton’s killing people to gain power, one more nutty theory spread by some on the far right. Take a deep breath and admit that because you don’t like someone does not make them bad.
When there’s no proof I tend to give the person the benefit of the doubt. You should try that sometime for several reasons. not the least of which is that YOU may want the benefit of the doubt someday.
LOL…Show me the proof. Where is it? What was the incident? Where was he charged? What was the slap on the wrist? What agency gave him this wrist slap?
You have nothing! And there is a reason for that.
It is just like the pot issue - Just say you don’t like him and move on. The rest of this is borderline comical.
If there was solid evidence he would have been prosecuted. ESPECIALLY by an Attorney General who is up for reelection every four years or so. Now you are in essence accusing the head law enforcement offical of a state of malfeasance and bribery! This is pure hogwash. You now have to prove that the Attorney General of the state of Virginia has committed multiple crimes. Stop thinking like Joe average and rise above your hatred.
I don’t think you have to worry about that. You have in fact proven that it is ALL Internet haters as you are one of them. Why in the wide blue world would you spend 7 or 8 posts trying to convince me and anyone else who reads this stuff that Robertson is a bad guy if you didn’t hate him? And ask yourself why you hate him so much. I think that is far, far more interesting than this Robertson non story.
More empty charges that you cannot prove. Plenty of hate though, that’s evident.
Ha ha…the Pastor in our Church just told our congregation that their primary giving should be to their church. One Pastor telling someone that they shouldn’t give to Robertson’s church? Oh my…the utter horror! LOL
By the way I disagreed with our Pastor-- But that’s another story.
Good for him I would do the same thing! CBN does a lot of good for a very wide group of people on many different levels. You assume that because he owns it that it is wrong to make such a contribution. Now you have to explain why it’s wrong. It’s certainly not illegal, or immoral in any way.
(yawn)
Got anything else?
So far I’ve not asked you for sources to any of your baseless innuendo because up to this point even if it was true it amounts to nothing. But if you want to continue throwing stones make sure that you give me the source for each of your “charges.” For example, if you have IRS records on his charity post where you got them and then the allegations which they allude to.
Aside from that we’ve reached a point where debating this back and forth is getting redundant. You say something that has no merit I point it out etc. Don’t get me wrong obviously your option to keep posting anyway (or you can stop trying to tarnish a good man’s name). I get a kick out of your seething hatred for a guy you never met…But somehow just KNOW that he’s bad. He must be bad after all because…YOU DON’T LIKE HIM!
[/quote]
I know its really easier to just paint me as a hateful anti-Christian or something rather than have to look at this from a non-bias view but you are really coming off like amateur hour here Zeb. I’d expect this level of lack of reading comprehension from others on these boards but not from you. Your last line there, ummm… I have met him, I actually pointed that out already.
You keep saying “show me the proof”, “you have no proof”, “these are baseless accusations by internet haters” —WRONG on all accounts. The accusations (which were sworn testimonies) are by the ACTUAL pilots that flew those planes, you know like first hand eye witnesses. These sworn testimonies (accusations) are on record, he WAS investigated by state officials, it went to the decision of the attorney general (a recipient of donations) whether or not to drop it or press charges. Charges were not pressed BUT Robertson was found in violation and had to reimburse the charity for the misappropriation. These are FACTS!!! Not hearsay, not allegations, FACTS! As in public record, you can find it yourself. His political contributions, public record. His reimbursed payment to the charity, now public record.
Obviously I can’t “prove” that the attorney general passed on prosecution because of his ties but the writing is on the wall and if it walks like a duck… it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the game of political influence.
Again, we are just going to agree to disagree on this one. You think he is just an awesome guy, I think while he has done a lot of good (see there I said it again) that there is a bit more to it than that and I personally don’t like his type that much (except as a business student-kudos to him). Cool? Now don’t try to use some tactic of sweepingly dismissing me as a hateful lunatic hell bent on bringing him down with no evidence. My whole response for the last few posts was in direct response to your post about him asking for proof that he has done some shady things. I presented what is known.
Oh yeah his support for the two murdering warlords I talked about—PUBLIC RECORD, and in fact he wrote a letter to Colin Powell (then Sec. of State) directly that is now public record to try and curry favor for Charles Taylor. Also there are recorded shows on CBN showing his pleas for Liberia in fact urging that we should send US troops to protect him and his regime from overthrow —again Fact, call up CBN and ask for the tapes from June/July shows in 2003. Do some homework on Charles Taylor, not a nice guy, certainly not worth US soldiers dying for to protect!
[quote]storey420 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
But, when all is said and done you cannot charge a man with “corruption” as you just did without solid proof. And that means having far more than hateful Internet articles. And if there were solid proof he would be behind bars like Jim Baker. So aside from the fact that YOU, or some third party thinks he’s a bad guy you still need the proof. You don’t have it, what you have is simply some guys opinion on the Internet. I’m sure there’s some truth to some of it but when you ad it all up it really doesn’t amount to anything. Because if it did, as I said he would have been bagged a long time ago.
And with that said, I can only reiterate what I’ve said in the past. He’s done a ton of good things for people all over the world, Christians and non Christians alike. The fact that some non Christians hate him is not a surprise as they hate most high profile Christians, it’s part of their “religin.”
Hey, they crucified Jesus Christ and it wasn’t because he did anything wrong.
Actually other folks have charged corruption. Ol’ Pat has connections politically big time and he funnels lots of money into political figures, this buys clout, he uses said leverage to avoid charges, it’s like corruption 101 ZEB. [/quote]
Well those “other folks” should come up with really good evidence. Because those “other folks” are doing nothing more than spreading rumors othewise. That’s why we have a criminal justice system in the US. If there are charges preferred then the accused can answer those charges in a court of law. BUT…Robetson has never been charged, and as far as I know never even been investigated. Oh my …how could those “other folks” be so wrong? As for the accusation of “clout” I suspect that no one had more clout than say John Edwards the multi-millionaire democratic Presidential candidate. Yet, he’s standing trial in April. Bill Clinton had some clout too as President of the US, yet he was impeached. Hmm…let’s see who else had plenty of clout? How about former Governor Blagojevich? Yet, he’s doing what? 15 years? Nothing is as upsetting as someone who is NOT in the know assuming that because someone has money and or power he can break laws and not pay the price. Many times it’s just the opposite because of their high profile they are more of a target. As I’ve said before the feds love to bust High profile people it makes their organization look good.
Come back when you have more than rumor and innuendo from “other folks.”
I’ve already told you now at least twice that no question people tend to believe the best of others who hold similar views. That’s not secret it’s human nature! Aside from that you’ve posted nothing more than pot shots taken from those who have a different world view. It’s more like YOU don’t share his view therefore YOU want to believe the worst.
One more time:
SHOW ME THE PROOF!
If you can I will agree that he is a bad guy. But you can’t so droning on and on about how you don’t like him and “other folks” allege this and that…means NOTHING! And as a side note I do have just a bit better objectivity than most people. I don’t buy into the Obama is a Muslim crap that some on the far right try to push. Nor did I buy into the Clinton’s killing people to gain power, one more nutty theory spread by some on the far right. Take a deep breath and admit that because you don’t like someone does not make them bad.
When there’s no proof I tend to give the person the benefit of the doubt. You should try that sometime for several reasons. not the least of which is that YOU may want the benefit of the doubt someday.
LOL…Show me the proof. Where is it? What was the incident? Where was he charged? What was the slap on the wrist? What agency gave him this wrist slap?
You have nothing! And there is a reason for that.
It is just like the pot issue - Just say you don’t like him and move on. The rest of this is borderline comical.
If there was solid evidence he would have been prosecuted. ESPECIALLY by an Attorney General who is up for reelection every four years or so. Now you are in essence accusing the head law enforcement offical of a state of malfeasance and bribery! This is pure hogwash. You now have to prove that the Attorney General of the state of Virginia has committed multiple crimes. Stop thinking like Joe average and rise above your hatred.
I don’t think you have to worry about that. You have in fact proven that it is ALL Internet haters as you are one of them. Why in the wide blue world would you spend 7 or 8 posts trying to convince me and anyone else who reads this stuff that Robertson is a bad guy if you didn’t hate him? And ask yourself why you hate him so much. I think that is far, far more interesting than this Robertson non story.
More empty charges that you cannot prove. Plenty of hate though, that’s evident.
Ha ha…the Pastor in our Church just told our congregation that their primary giving should be to their church. One Pastor telling someone that they shouldn’t give to Robertson’s church? Oh my…the utter horror! LOL
By the way I disagreed with our Pastor-- But that’s another story.
Good for him I would do the same thing! CBN does a lot of good for a very wide group of people on many different levels. You assume that because he owns it that it is wrong to make such a contribution. Now you have to explain why it’s wrong. It’s certainly not illegal, or immoral in any way.
(yawn)
Got anything else?
So far I’ve not asked you for sources to any of your baseless innuendo because up to this point even if it was true it amounts to nothing. But if you want to continue throwing stones make sure that you give me the source for each of your “charges.” For example, if you have IRS records on his charity post where you got them and then the allegations which they allude to.
Aside from that we’ve reached a point where debating this back and forth is getting redundant. You say something that has no merit I point it out etc. Don’t get me wrong obviously your option to keep posting anyway (or you can stop trying to tarnish a good man’s name). I get a kick out of your seething hatred for a guy you never met…But somehow just KNOW that he’s bad. He must be bad after all because…YOU DON’T LIKE HIM!
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I know its really easier to just paint me as a hateful anti-Christian or something rather than have to look at this from a non-bias view but you are really coming off like amateur hour here Zeb. I’d expect this level of lack of reading comprehension from others on these boards but not from you. Your last line there, ummm… I have met him, I actually pointed that out already.
You keep saying “show me the proof”, “you have no proof”, “these are baseless accusations by internet haters” —WRONG on all accounts. The accusations (which were sworn testimonies) are by the ACTUAL pilots that flew those planes, you know like first hand eye witnesses. These sworn testimonies (accusations) are on record, he WAS investigated by state officials, it went to the decision of the attorney general (a recipient of donations) whether or not to drop it or press charges. Charges were not pressed BUT Robertson was found in violation and had to reimburse the charity for the misappropriation. These are FACTS!!! Not hearsay, not allegations, FACTS! As in public record, you can find it yourself. His political contributions, public record. His reimbursed payment to the charity, now public record.
Obviously I can’t “prove” that the attorney general passed on prosecution because of his ties but the writing is on the wall and if it walks like a duck… it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the game of political influence.
Again, we are just going to agree to disagree on this one. You think he is just an awesome guy, I think while he has done a lot of good (see there I said it again) that there is a bit more to it than that and I personally don’t like his type that much (except as a business student-kudos to him). Cool? Now don’t try to use some tactic of sweepingly dismissing me as a hateful lunatic hell bent on bringing him down with no evidence. My whole response for the last few posts was in direct response to your post about him asking for proof that he has done some shady things. I presented what is known.
Oh yeah his support for the two murdering warlords I talked about—PUBLIC RECORD, and in fact he wrote a letter to Colin Powell (then Sec. of State) directly that is now public record to try and curry favor for Charles Taylor. Also there are recorded shows on CBN showing his pleas for Liberia in fact urging that we should send US troops to protect him and his regime from overthrow —again Fact, call up CBN and ask for the tapes from June/July shows in 2003. Do some homework on Charles Taylor, not a nice guy, certainly not worth US soldiers dying for to protect![/quote]
You are the one bringing the charges, the onus is not on me to go find proof of Robertson’s alleged wrong doing. As I’ve already told you if you have allegations from credible sources post them and post where you got them. I’m not looking at anymore baseless quotes that came from who knows where? You have not only indicted Robertson on this board but the Attorney General of Virginia as well. And still no proof on either person. Where I come from they call that libel.
You’ve said one thing that I agree with, we can agree to disagree. It is America and you can hate anyone that you want with no reason at all. But I would be very careful about carrying someone else’s vicious rumors. There are still statutes in some states which protect people (even a public figure) from libel and slander. And one thing that I’ve had a belly full of is faceless nameless nobody’s attacking public figures behind the safety of their computer. Granted politicians probably have earned what they get, but others don’t deserve to have their names dragged through the mud because YOU feel secure doing so on the Internet. And…I would expect more from you!
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You are the one bringing the charges, the onus is not on me to go find proof of Robertson’s alleged wrong doing. As I’ve already told you if you have allegations from credible sources post them and post where you got them. I’m not looking at anymore baseless quotes that came from who knows where? You have not only indicted Robertson on this board but the Attorney General of Virginia as well. And still no proof on either person. Where I come from they call that libel.
You’ve said one thing that I agree with, we can agree to disagree. It is America and you can hate anyone that you want with no reason at all. But I would be very careful about carrying someone else’s vicious rumors. There are still statutes in some states which protect people (even a public figure) from libel and slander. And one thing that I’ve had a belly full of is faceless nameless nobody’s attacking public figures behind the safety of their computer. Granted politicians probably have earned what they get, but others don’t deserve to have their names dragged through the mud because YOU feel secure doing so on the Internet. And…I would expect more from you!
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I’m really quite taken back at just how dense you are with this issue. It’s mind numbing really, I feel like I’m getting counter points from some 18 yr old asshat that just started coming on these boards. I’m not repeating rumors for christ’s sake! ITS PUBLIC RECORD!!!
His association from a business standpoint with Charles Taylor, yep, you guessed it PUBLIC RECORD. What you’re trying to do is play off the burden of proof with me to the degree that I would have to literally be involved in the investigation and if that’s what you need then fine. Then you’d better from this point forward not make a single damn accusation of any figure unless you have the lock, stock smoking gun.
If he did nothing wrong with the appropriation of the aircraft and how they were used why then Zeb would he be forced to pay the $400,000 back? Riddle me that one.
If he did nothing wrong why would they have to revoke the tax exempt status for two years that IRS deemed?
Short of somehow duping the former attorney general into confiding in me that he chose (and yes it was his choice) not to prosecute because of his connections to Pat, how am I supposed to “prove” my suspicion? I can’t of course but it darn sure quacks like a duck.
But if you want the actual source and not a quote of it, here is the original story, note now ZEB how the is the OFFICE OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS making the allegations and suggesting prosecution.
Note that the attorney general agreed that there were false claims made, but the office found no evidence that he had the INTENT to defraud. How hard is that to prove anyway? Ummm…pretty damn hard without a recording or written document.
Wake up and smell the damn coffee and quit playing stupid debate tactics of diversion to try and dismiss this or just paint me as a hater.
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And I’m taken aback by how much hate you have for someone who has a different belief system than you.
And I feel like I’m debating some guy on a bar stool who doesn’t know his ass from first base but has his biased view points and after a few beer rants and raves about things he knows nothing about and issues he doesn’t understand!
Then all you have to do is post WHERE you got your information. You throw quotes out there as if they mean something. They mean nothing to me unless they’re backed up by a SOURCE
Now how many times have I asked you for that?
Hmmm three, or four?
See watch:
First of all even if there were an association it doesn’t mean diddley.
Secondly, you have not proven that there even is an association. I know…you read it on the Internet so it must be true. Who is acting like an 18 year old?
Not at all. I have nothing to do with the John Edwards investigation but I can roll out at least 5 good sources from CNN and FOX to the NY Times which portray each step of the investigation. And all I am asking from you is the same thing. It’s easy to do when someone has actually done something wrong. The Robertson nonsense is a creation of your own mind promulgated by the many anti Christian web sites that feed suckers like you.
Show me anywhere in the past on this site where I have done anything else.
First of all paying the tax man who claims that one particular deduction is not valid does not make you John Dillenger. It’s merely a tax issue, and not a criminal issue at that. Secondly, you’ve never given valid proof that this actually happened. Again…not that it would matter as it’s a minor tax issue. One year my father claimed his nephew as a deduction as he lived with him and the IRS said that he couldn’t do that so he had to pay a couple of grand more, is he a bad guy?
You cannot and you’ve just proven my point. All you have are suspicions. That and a very deep hatred for a man who has a different belief system than you. That’s why you don’t run all over the Internet claiming the attorney general of Virginia is a crook along with Pat Robertson. It is beneath you and you would want more of a benefit of the doubt should you ever be put in such a position.
By the way, I could post the same kind of feeble evidence that you have regarding Obama being a Muslim, or Obama not having a birth certificate. But that is pure nonsense to me I don’t bother with such tripe. And you would do well to take that same pat
You cannot and you’ve just proven my point. All you have are suspicions. [/quote]
Well, one of the major side effects of marijuana use is paranoia, you know.[/quote]
I’m surprised someone as usually level headed as you can’t see the plain as day nature of what I am posting, with a source from the paper directly, with the allegations coming from an office of Virginia government. And for the record I rarely smoke marijuana if at all any more, too much on my plate.
You really do lack reading comprehension. I have no hate for the man and other than it being so plainly obvious and you being so obtuse I have no idea why I’m spending time digging up the direct links to prove to you. It’s not like you will budge from your pre-formed, everything is roses view of him. But you do know he signed a legal document with Taylor right? I’m not paying for your access, you do it
Liberian Observer. He signed the document to get rights from Taylor under “Mineral Development Agreement between the Republic of Liberia and Freedom Gold Limited”. Then he petitioned US government to send US troops to protect these interests (fairly he did disclose he had business interests). Business interests with? You guessed it Charles Taylor. Want to read up on this charming christian?