Pat Robertson: Legalize Pot

The Operation Blessing thing was shady, he was using planes supposed to do charity work for a profit venture into diamond mining and when it was all brought to light his response was “well we we’re planning on using that diamond money to free the people of the Congo”–yeah right, bs artist! This particular misappropriation of charity resources is scandalous honestly and me thinks if he wasnt such a staunch figure in the Republican party you would see this plain as day. In 1994 he made an emotional plea on The 700 Club for cash donations to Operation Blessing to support airlifts of refugees from the Rwandan civil war to Zaire (now Congo). Reporter Bill Sizemore of The Virginian Pilot later discovered that Operation Blessing’s planes were transporting diamond-mining equipment for the African Development Corporation, a Robertson-owned venture initiated with the cooperation of Zaire’s then-dictator Mobutu Sese Seko.

Just did and his un-Christian like quotes are all over the web, pages of them. This is not the religion of peace that Jesus promoted kind of Christianity that he spews.

Actually what he said was : “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.”
Love thy enemy, right?

Pat Robertson â?? one of the most prominent leaders of the pro-life movement in the United States â?? recently condoned Chinaâ??s |one-child policy| and said the United States should not try to interfere with Chinaâ??s alleged policy of forced abortions.

In an interview with CNNâ??s Wolf Blitzer, Robertson said,

I donâ??t agree with it [the one-child policy]. But at the same time, theyâ??ve got 1.2 billion people, and they donâ??t know what to do. If every family over there was allowed to have three or four children, the population would be completely unsustainable â?¦ I think that right now theyâ??re doing what they have to do. I donâ??t agree with the forced abortion, but I donâ??t think the United States needs to interfere with what theyâ??re doing internally in this regard.

not what I would call a staunchly anti-abortion stance

Nowhere but the dealings and way he goes about making money is what I’m talking about not just the simple act of making money. "The network’s Family Channel, which promoted family-friendly entertainment, was spun off in 1990 to International Family Entertainment Inc., led by Pat Robertson and his son Tim. In 1997, that company was sold for $1.9 billion to Fox Kids Worldwide Inc., which later sold it to the Disney Co.

“He built this company by getting donations and then took this network and sold it for well over $1 billion,” said David John Marley, who teaches history at Vanguard University of Southern California. “That’s money that he and his sons got to keep.”

I think he has broken laws to be honest. I think he has intermingled tax free funds into for profit ventures. I hope history shows this to be true in plain sight. This guy does a much better sum up. http://www.gregpalast.com/pat-robertson-i-dont-have-to-be-nice-to-the-spirit-of-the-antichrist/

I posted what I have.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
You’ve shown me no proof that he was involved in anything “shady.” People use jets for many different reasons. He feeds kids, he helps his buiness, he fly’s VIP’s around the country. So what? And what’s wrong with profits? Because he is a man of God he’s not allowed to make money? Don’t be silly. Christ talked more about money than anything else.

The Operation Blessing thing was shady,[/quote]

Everyone knows about it no charges were preferred and no IRS investigation. So whichever “I hate Robertson” Website you got that from is hurting for information.

At this point there are so many Christian haters I think I’d actually have to see him say it before I believed it. Kind of like the Obama haters…If he said something I want to hear it and see before I believe it. And I’m no fan of Obama, but I do know how the human mind works and when a person does not like someone anything and everything someone says about them, that is bad…must be true. I’ve told many of my rabid Obama hating friends “he just has a different view of America that doesn’t make him good or evil. It just makes his opinion different than ours.”

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Actually what he said was : “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.”
Love thy enemy, right?[/quote]

Read the OT my friend. Robertson is exactly right with his analysis. How many young men and women do we need to see die before we smarten up and take out the dictator first? I admire him for his position, he’s right!

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Pat Robertson one of the most prominent leaders of the pro-life movement in the United States recently condoned Chinas |one-child policy| and said the United States should not try to interfere with Chinas alleged policy of forced abortions.[/quote]

This is one of those things that I’d have to see and hear him say myself. However, with that said, how can we interfere with China’s policy anyway? So it’s sort of pointless. But I doubt he said this.

[quote]In an interview with CNNs Wolf Blitzer, Robertson said,

I dont agree with it [the one-child policy]. But at the same time, theyve got 1.2 billion people, and they dont know what to do. If every family over there was allowed to have three or four children, the population would be completely unsustainable �??�??�??�?�¦ I think that right now theyre doing what they have to do. I dont agree with the forced abortion, but I dont think the United States needs to interfere with what theyre doing internally in this regard.[/quote]

There you have it “I don’t agree with the forced abortion…” I didn’t think that he would. Put this one to bed.

[quote]Yet, he’s brought people to Christ. Built churches all over the globe, fed the hungry and built homes for the poor. AND…he’s never held elected office. Has he made a lot of money -YES, but no where in the Christian Bible does it say making money is evil.

Nowhere but the dealings and way he goes about making money is what I’m talking about not just the simple act of making money. "The network’s Family Channel, which promoted family-friendly entertainment, was spun off in 1990 to International Family Entertainment Inc., led by Pat Robertson and his son Tim. In 1997, that company was sold for $1.9 billion to Fox Kids Worldwide Inc., which later sold it to the Disney Co.

“He built this company by getting donations and then took this network and sold it for well over $1 billion,” said David John Marley, who teaches history at Vanguard University of Southern California. “That’s money that he and his sons got to keep.”[/quote]

And what’s wrong with that? The people who donated the money were doing so toward a good cause, “family entertainment.” I’m not understanding the problem that you have with that. If I begin a not for profit business and raise funds through donations it is still MY business. The people who donate are doing so because we are like minded. And they feel that they have a stake in causing the organization to grow. Once again he did nothing illegal or immoral.

[quote]maybe you should have you could have helped far, far more people. And since he has broken no law and in any sort of trouble I think you are making far more of this than you should. But you don’t like him so I guess you are entitled—right?

I think he has broken laws to be honest. I think he has intermingled tax free funds into for profit ventures. I hope history shows this to be true in plain sight.[/quote]

In 8 years of Bill Clinton’s administration and so far over 3 years of Obama and the Justice Department did not even blink in the direction of Pat Robertson. Nor has the IRS given him a second look. NOTHING. Now do you remember the Rev. Jim Baker’s enterprise? They brought him down without any hesitation. If the feds can make a name for themselves taking out a public figure they do it and they do it quickley. They are as much out for glory as they are for anything else regardless of who occupy’s the White House.

You’re going to have to step back and look at this again my friend. You can say that YOU personally don’t like Robertson, but to allege that the man has actually broken laws isn’t fair to him. He’s a public figure and guys like us can take cheap shots at public figures all day but in the end I think we can do better. You don’t like the way he runs his business empire based on some hate sites that you visited. You don’t like Christianity. You don’t like the way his forheard is running away with his face… I get it. But in all of your posts I’ve not seen anything that convinces me that he’s bad guy. Is he the perfect Christian? No, because perfect Christian’s do not exist. Stop looking for him or any religious leader to be perfect. They are all human and they will occasionally say nutty stuff, or do something that doesn’t square with what YOU think is Christian behavior.

(shrugs)

I still like the guy and realize how much good that he has done. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the poor over the past 25 years. If he’s made some money trough his business dealings, good for him, so what? Larry Flynt the slime ball who runs Hustler has made millions and who has he helped? My point in bringing him up is that there are a whole lot of detestable people out there who are in it just for the buck and do nothing for anyone else. And what they peddle is bad for you too. You can pick on the cigarette companies for starters. Or, you can even pick on Coke and Pepsi…sugar water causes people to become obese. Ah…but they’ve done nothing illegal, or even immoral you say. I agree, and neither has Robertson and in fact on the road to making his millions he’s helped many a starving child.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:
You’ve shown me no proof that he was involved in anything “shady.” People use jets for many different reasons. He feeds kids, he helps his buiness, he fly’s VIP’s around the country. So what? And what’s wrong with profits? Because he is a man of God he’s not allowed to make money? Don’t be silly. Christ talked more about money than anything else.

The Operation Blessing thing was shady,[/quote]

Everyone knows about it no charges were preferred and no IRS investigation. So whichever “I hate Robertson” Website you got that from is hurting for information.

At this point there are so many Christian haters I think I’d actually have to see him say it before I believed it. Kind of like the Obama haters…If he said something I want to hear it and see before I believe it. And I’m no fan of Obama, but I do know how the human mind works and when a person does not like someone anything and everything someone says about them, that is bad…must be true. I’ve told many of my rabid Obama hating friends “he just has a different view of America that doesn’t make him good or evil. It just makes his opinion different than ours.”

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Actually what he said was : “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.”
Love thy enemy, right?[/quote]

Read the OT my friend. Robertson is exactly right with his analysis. How many young men and women do we need to see die before we smarten up and take out the dictator first? I admire him for his position, he’s right!

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate

Their was an investigation, not from the IRS but from the VA attorney general’s office. What is disturbing is the potential for conflict of interest and favoritism that plays into it. Also he did have to reimburse his own charity for the activities to the tune of $400,000

"Last summer, the Virginia Office of Consumer Affairs issued a report to Attorney General Mark Earley, examining allegations that Robertson’s tax-exempt charity, Operation Blessing, was misusing the organization’s airplanes to assist Robertson’s diamond-mining operation in Zaire (for more background on these allegations, read the Church & State story from the June 1997 issue). Yesterday, Gilmore appointed Robertson to the board of directors of the Virginia Economic Development Partnership.

“We have been informed this morning that this matter is still under investigation, and lawyers in the consumer division of the attorney general’s office are currently reviewing the allegations,” Lynn said in a letter sent to Gilmore today. "With these serious legal matters still unresolved, it is imperative to wait and see the results of the investigation before appointing Mr. Robertson to an important state board relating to business practices.

Lynn noted that the governor may be under political pressure on this matter, in light of Robertson’s contributions totaling over $100,000 to Gilmore’s campaigns for attorney general and governor in recent years. “However,” Lynn added, “I am confident of your ability to put the interests of the public far ahead of any political allegiances.”

Again if this was a lefty or even worse a lefty/atheist type, you would be crying foul big time. You can keep your head in the sand but to say Robertson doesn’t have political clout and leverage through his donations is a bit naive.

On a side note ol’ Pat has been investigated by the IRS and had his 501 status revoked for years in question on a different issue.

fair enough, I’ll say it out loud though. Yes it is my OPINION that he is ultimately a scumbag. Have good deeds happened under his watch? Yep, same thing with plenty of other scumbags, should we count the charitable donations of say a Bill Maher or someone like that as superseding his scumbaggery?

Mmmm…I’ll agree to disagree on this one. I like the NT much better as an accurate portrayal of what Christianity should be.

If this was an Obama or liberal outfit you wouldnt feel the same, guaranteed.

[quote]In 8 years of Bill Clinton’s administration and so far over 3 years of Obama and the Justice Department did not even blink in the direction of Pat Robertson. Nor has the IRS given him a second look. NOTHING. Now do you remember the Rev. Jim Baker’s enterprise? They brought him down without any hesitation. If the feds can make a name for themselves taking out a public figure they do it and they do it quickley. They are as much out for glory as they are for anything else regardless of who occupy’s the White House.

You’re going to have to step back and look at this again my friend. You can say that YOU personally don’t like Robertson, but to allege that the man has actually broken laws isn’t fair to him. He’s a public figure and guys like us can take cheap shots at public figures all day but in the end I think we can do better. You don’t like the way he runs his business empire based on some hate sites that you visited. You don’t like Christianity. You don’t like the way his forheard is running away with his face… I get it. But in all of your posts I’ve not seen anything that convinces me that he’s bad guy. Is he the perfect Christian? No, because perfect Christian’s do not exist. Stop looking for him or any religious leader to be perfect. They are all human and they will occasionally say nutty stuff, or do something that doesn’t square with what YOU think is Christian behavior.

(shrugs)

I still like the guy and realize how much good that he has done. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the poor over the past 25 years. If he’s made some money trough his business dealings, good for him, so what? Larry Flynt the slime ball who runs Hustler has made millions and who has he helped? My point in bringing him up is that there are a whole lot of detestable people out there who are in it just for the buck and do nothing for anyone else. And what they peddle is bad for you too. You can pick on the cigarette companies for starters. Or, you can even pick on Coke and Pepsi…sugar water causes people to become obese. Ah…but they’ve done nothing illegal, or even immoral you say. I agree, and neither has Robertson and in fact on the road to making his millions he’s helped many a starving child.
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I think you’re grabbing at straws as well here. Monsanto gives millions to charity and I think they’re the devil. Larry Flynt has also donated millions and he is a scumbag. The point isnt just what good has trickled out of his network. It is the shady actions as well. Again if he wasnt such a strong right wing figure I dont think we’d even be having this discussion.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:
You’ve shown me no proof that he was involved in anything “shady.” People use jets for many different reasons. He feeds kids, he helps his buiness, he fly’s VIP’s around the country. So what? And what’s wrong with profits? Because he is a man of God he’s not allowed to make money? Don’t be silly. Christ talked more about money than anything else.

The Operation Blessing thing was shady,[/quote]

Everyone knows about it no charges were preferred and no IRS investigation. So whichever “I hate Robertson” Website you got that from is hurting for information.

At this point there are so many Christian haters I think I’d actually have to see him say it before I believed it. Kind of like the Obama haters…If he said something I want to hear it and see before I believe it. And I’m no fan of Obama, but I do know how the human mind works and when a person does not like someone anything and everything someone says about them, that is bad…must be true. I’ve told many of my rabid Obama hating friends “he just has a different view of America that doesn’t make him good or evil. It just makes his opinion different than ours.”

I said that the feds busted Baker. Read the post pit.

[quote]storey420 wrote:

If this was an Obama or liberal outfit you wouldnt feel the same, guaranteed.[/quote]

RIGHT! And that is my entire point. I would sit back and say “well they finally caught up to Obama.”…or some such statement. But I am smart enough to realize that I would have that reaction. And that those on the left would have the same reaction to Robertson or any right wing public figure. We first emotionally bond with these people and then we lust toward some sort of fact that makes us right!

Pat Robertson is a good Christian, a good guy and a humanitarian. You think some nonsense posted on the Internet will change my thinking?

We must be smart enough to at least recognize this.

No?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

I suspect this enjoys as much real-world support as your other conspiracy theories (insurers in cahoots with Big Pharma against potheads, gov’t released warning on pot without any studies or “footnotes”, etc.).

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]LOL!!!

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]

Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

I suspect this enjoys as much real-world support as your other conspiracy theories (insurers in cahoots with Big Pharma against potheads, gov’t released warning on pot without any studies or “footnotes”, etc.).

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]

Good , you did forget another conspiracy being asset forfeiture laws

Reading some of your posts would be reason enough to start toking up

Oh I almost forgot Prison Industries just another conspiracy

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Good , you did forget another conspiracy being asset forfeiture laws[/quote]

I contend no studies were ever done on this.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

I suspect this enjoys as much real-world support as your other conspiracy theories (insurers in cahoots with Big Pharma against potheads, gov’t released warning on pot without any studies or “footnotes”, etc.).

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Good , you did forget another conspiracy being asset forfeiture laws[/quote]

I contend no studies were ever done on this.[/quote]

Thunderdolt :)you contend wrong

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

If this was an Obama or liberal outfit you wouldnt feel the same, guaranteed.[/quote]

RIGHT! And that is my entire point. I would sit back and say “well they finally caught up to Obama.”…or some such statement. But I am smart enough to realize that I would have that reaction. And that those on the left would have the same reaction to Robertson or any right wing public figure. We first emotionally bond with these people and then we lust toward some sort of fact that makes us right!

Pat Robertson is a good Christian, a good guy and a humanitarian. You think some nonsense posted on the Internet will change my thinking?

We must be smart enough to at least recognize this.

No?

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Thats my point is I dont think he is a good guy or really a good Christian to be honest. He may have done more for Christianity than I could ever imagine but I really don’t think he is a savory character and especially not as a religious figure. As a business magnate, sure, impressive actually. I’m not sure what all I posted is “nonsense” it is quotes or references from investigative journalists and/or organizations that shed light on corruption. I could see if everything just came from atheists.net or something but that isn’t the case.

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

If this was an Obama or liberal outfit you wouldnt feel the same, guaranteed.[/quote]

RIGHT! And that is my entire point. I would sit back and say “well they finally caught up to Obama.”…or some such statement. But I am smart enough to realize that I would have that reaction. And that those on the left would have the same reaction to Robertson or any right wing public figure. We first emotionally bond with these people and then we lust toward some sort of fact that makes us right!

Pat Robertson is a good Christian, a good guy and a humanitarian. You think some nonsense posted on the Internet will change my thinking?

We must be smart enough to at least recognize this.

No?

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Thats my point is I dont think he is a good guy or really a good Christian to be honest. He may have done more for Christianity than I could ever imagine but I really don’t think he is a savory character and especially not as a religious figure. As a business magnate, sure, impressive actually. I’m not sure what all I posted is “nonsense” it is quotes or references from investigative journalists and/or organizations that shed light on corruption. I could see if everything just came from atheists.net or something but that isn’t the case.[/quote]

But, when all is said and done you cannot charge a man with “corruption” as you just did without solid proof. And that means having far more than hateful Internet articles. And if there were solid proof he would be behind bars like Jim Baker. So aside from the fact that YOU, or some third party thinks he’s a bad guy you still need the proof. You don’t have it, what you have is simply some guys opinion on the Internet. I’m sure there’s some truth to some of it but when you ad it all up it really doesn’t amount to anything. Because if it did, as I said he would have been bagged a long time ago.

And with that said, I can only reiterate what I’ve said in the past. He’s done a ton of good things for people all over the world, Christians and non Christians alike. The fact that some non Christians hate him is not a surprise as they hate most high profile Christians, it’s part of their “religin.”

Hey, they crucified Jesus Christ and it wasn’t because he did anything wrong.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Pat Robertson is jumping from the evangelical camp to the libertarian camp. Jerry Falwell wouldn’t have stood for this legalise marijuana crap. The moral minority is evanescing before our very eyes.[/quote]

Hey Zeb, I called Raj out on this video a few pages back because it had no relevence. Since this thread is now solely focused on Reb Robertson I was curious to your thoughts on it?

[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

Hey Zeb, I called Raj out on this video a few pages back because it had no relevence. Since this thread is now solely focused on Reb Robertson I was curious to your thoughts on it?[/quote]

Yeah, I remember when the media jumped on Falwell for this. As a fundamentalist Christian he believed with all his heart that there would eventually be retribution for the many “sins of America.” And that 9/11 may have just been the beginning. I can only quote a joke I heard from a Jay Leno a few years back, “If God doesn’t do something to San Francisco he owes Sodom and Gomorah an apology.”

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]

Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]

That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.

If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.

Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.

Again.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you are old as me , you know you are not telling the whole story about Jim Baker , he was with out a doubt defrauding people in the guise of Real Estate[/quote]

Keep 'em coming. If there is a stronger, better message not to do drugs than reading your posts, I don’t know of it.[/quote]

Although I support the legalization of THC for financial reasons mostly…this made me snort out loud.[/quote]

That is one of the arguments that makes no sense.

If legalized it would be dirt cheap, like tobacco, there is no reason to believe that you could receive significant revenue by taxing it.

Unless of course you tax it very heavily, but then you would just get a black market.

Again. [/quote]

It’s not the taxes Orion…that’s the red herring…its the cost of law enforcement and incarceration of non violent offenders…many in jail for YEARS for simple possession.