Paris Attacks

[quote]outlaws wrote:
Can some one tell me how many people died at the bombings in Turkey last month? How many in Beirut 2 days ago? I don’t expect the average tnation commenter to be bright but fcking hell there are still people here thinking Islam is a religion of hate.

Wake - the - fuck - up

The biggest reason lack of peace in this world is the shit stirring, money greed- blood seeking governments, politicians and bankers and USA is leading the list. Millions have been slaughtered during your endeavors in Middle East to fill the pockets of your politicians & bankers, yet none recognized by you hypocrites or bought off prostitute media.
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Hey look, another dumb fucking post.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

They knew it in the 1980’s. Just sayin’[

Yes, fuck the cradle of civilization. [/quote]

This ain’t about you or me. It’s an emotional response and nothing more. Yes, fuck the middle east. They have been a torn in our collective assed for decades.
I do expect a declaration of war by France when all this is vetted out. Cutting the head off the snake is essential. I could hardly imagine you and I disagree on that??[/quote]

Why do you insist on treating an entire region, a shatterbelt no less, as a unitary actor?

Declarations of war are made between sovereign nation states. France has been at war against al-Qaida since 2001, and against ISIL for well over a year.

Yep, I’m in favor of aggressive capture/kill missions targeting the leadership of terrorist organizations. [/quote]
Give it a rest, biz.[/quote]

Not reacting to from the hip and indiscriminate bigotry, intuition laden analysis, and magical policy prescriptions? Not likely.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]outlaws wrote:
Can some one tell me how many people died at the bombings in Turkey last month? How many in Beirut 2 days ago? I don’t expect the average tnation commenter to be bright but fcking hell there are still people here thinking Islam is a religion of hate.

Wake - the - fuck - up

The biggest reason lack of peace in this world is the shit stirring, money greed- blood seeking governments, politicians and bankers and USA is leading the list. Millions have been slaughtered during your endeavors in Middle East to fill the pockets of your politicians & bankers, yet none recognized by you hypocrites or bought off prostitute media.
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Hey look, another dumb fucking post.[/quote]

Understatement of the fiscal year.

[quote]on edge wrote:
I do not appreciate the Obama quote. It was not an attack on humanity it was an attack by Muslims on the Western way of life. This is very important to understand and not doing so, understanding and acknowledging, it is impossible to properly deal with the problem.
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Not sure what else needs to be done for people to realize muslims are at war with Western civilization.

“” A witness told BFM television that he heard rounds of automatic rifle fire and someone shouting “Allahu akbar!” at the Bataclan. “”

^ I thought terrorist usually read a passage from the Talmud before executing people??

If these people are the JV squad then i shutter to think of what the varsity team is like.

something something more gun control, and let “refugees” in …

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I do not appreciate the Obama quote. It was not an attack on humanity it was an attack by Muslims on the Western way of life. This is very important to understand and not doing so, understanding and acknowledging, it is impossible to properly deal with the problem.
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Not sure what else needs to be done for people to realize muslims are at war with Western civilization.

“” A witness told BFM television that he heard rounds of automatic rifle fire and someone shouting “Allahu akbar!” at the Bataclan. “”

^ I thought terrorist usually read a passage from the Talmud before executing people??

If these people are the JV squad then i shutter to think of what the varsity team is like.

something something more gun control, and let “refugees” in …[/quote]

ISIL and their ilk are. A quarter of the world’s population is not.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

Third, of Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. [/quote]

http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

#Parisisonfire is a pretty popular hashtag but im sure it’s only people in said groups posting that. It’s the religion of peace…

[quote]treco wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

Third, of Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. [/quote]

http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm
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The Pew Research Forum’s “The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society” is far and away the most systemic and sophisticated study in the literature. A blog post on an unambiguously biased website with a whopping five endnotes doesn’t trump a 226 page comprehensive study.

“Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land generally agree that the requirements of Islam should apply only to Muslims.”

“When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard.”

[quote]Aggv wrote:
“When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard.”[/quote]

If only saws could convey effective counter-terrorism policy. Alas, they require enormous amounts of study. If we are intent on reductionism, I suppose Edgy’s prescription of nuclear genocide could work.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
My brother lives a few streets away from the Bataclan.
My best friend lives close to the Stade de France.

Both are alive.

A friend of a friend (who happens to have bad musical taste) was IN the Bataclan and managed to escape without harm.

And according to facebook most of my parisian friends are safe.

Lucky friday the 13th for me.

going back to lurking mode now.
See you in a dozen of pages.

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I was specifically thinking of you. I thank the God of Abraham and Issac that you are ok.
Since you are closest to the situation, any any inside information would be appreciated.
Seriously, I am glad you are ok, or the world would have lost a great mind…
If you know something we don’t, please share.
I am sorry these dicks brought this bullshit to your front door. I don’t expect France to stand by idly but to reign hell on some terrorists. We are your allies, we got your back.

I also miss your commentary. It’s been to long old friend.[/quote]

Thanks.

Not much to add in matter of informations.
I’m in “ile de France” but not in Paris intra muros. Nothing moves in my area. No one in the streets. Stores are closed. Everything seems weirdly “frozen” right now.
On facebook and on tv everyone suddenly turned into a geopolitics and security expert. My bullshitOmeter exploded hours ago.

I’m afraid i won’t come back here too often. I will very busy in the future.
Cause for each of my brothers they killed, i will fuck one of their sisters.
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Haha. Kamui, I’ll break out of lurker status to let you know that I, also, am thrilled to hear that you, at least, are okay. Take care of yourself.

Also, if you get the chance, shoot me an email at the address in my hub. I’d like to meet up with you one day in the future. [/quote]

It’s good to see you too, Cort. If you get Kamui’s email, please pass it along, with his permission of course.
Hope all is well with you.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee

Syria refugee crisis: U.S. opens centres to speed vetting

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576[/quote]

They definitely had experience on the battlefields of Iraq or Syria or training from someone who had.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee

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That’s shocking

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

They knew it in the 1980’s. Just sayin’[

Yes, fuck the cradle of civilization. [/quote]

This ain’t about you or me. It’s an emotional response and nothing more. Yes, fuck the middle east. They have been a torn in our collective assed for decades.
I do expect a declaration of war by France when all this is vetted out. Cutting the head off the snake is essential. I could hardly imagine you and I disagree on that??[/quote]

Why do you insist on treating an entire region, a shatterbelt no less, as a unitary actor?

Declarations of war are made between sovereign nation states. France has been at war against al-Qaida since 2001, and against ISIL for well over a year.

Yep, I’m in favor of aggressive capture/kill missions targeting the leadership of terrorist organizations. [/quote]
Give it a rest, biz.[/quote]

Not reacting to from the hip and indiscriminate bigotry, intuition laden analysis, and magical policy prescriptions? Not likely.
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lol… The fact that I have explain everything to you at a granular level just astounds me. You know I wasn’t talking about your ‘analysis’. I was talking about your persistent, perpetual dislike of me. Give that a rest in lieu of circumstances that are bigger than both of us.

You know when this story first hit, we both had the same idea. Start a thread, while it was going on to see how it evolved over time. No threads existed until I posted mine and on refresh there were 2, yours and mine. I asked that mine be removed for the sake of your thread, so that we did not have competing threads on the same thing.
Now if I, a person you consider an ass hair below Cro-Magnon can rise above, why can’t you?

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]outlaws wrote:
Can some one tell me how many people died at the bombings in Turkey last month? How many in Beirut 2 days ago? I don’t expect the average tnation commenter to be bright but fcking hell there are still people here thinking Islam is a religion of hate.

Wake - the - fuck - up

The biggest reason lack of peace in this world is the shit stirring, money greed- blood seeking governments, politicians and bankers and USA is leading the list. Millions have been slaughtered during your endeavors in Middle East to fill the pockets of your politicians & bankers, yet none recognized by you hypocrites or bought off prostitute media.
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Hey look, another dumb fucking post.[/quote]

lol!!

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
Given the national tragedy that France, our oldest ally, has suffered today, political quips are wholly tasteless. As president Obama stated, “This is an attack not just on Paris, it’s an attack not just on the people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.” Show a modicum of respect for those affected.[/quote]

I don’t think political quips are necessarily tasteless in this case but I do appreciate your sentiment.

I do not appreciate the Obama quote. It was not an attack on humanity it was an attack by Muslims on the Western way of life. This is very important to understand and not doing so, understanding and acknowledging, it is impossible to properly deal with the problem.

It doesn’t matter if it was ISIS or Al Qaeda or someone else, THEY WERE MUSLIMS. The Muslim religion is a religion of hate. This attack was small fries, just wait until they get nukes. They won’t hesitate to use them.

The current course the Muslim people are on and the current course the western world is on, as far as dealing with the Muslims, leads to the inescapable conclusion that we can say good bye to Israel, New York City, Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle. This will happen in less than 100 years. I’ve probably got 30-40 years left. I hope I don’t see this happen but I’m not optimistic.

Our only hope is the Muslims keep up enough of these small fry attacks that the rest of the world wakes up to the severity of the threat and actually does something about it. Otherwise, like I said, it’s only a matter of time. Could be in just ten to fifteen years. Anyone who doesn’t know this is just living in denial.

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Setting aside the hysterics, what exactly are you proposing?[/quote]

The only thing I can think of that might work is a united world in a multi generational effort to force Muslims to remove the hate from the Koran and all their teachings until it has been forgotten. That’s never going to happen so we’re fucked.[/quote]

I understand the emotional content of what you are saying. I get it. If there are this many bad apples, maybe we should start looking at the tree.

I have 2 feelings on the matter. First, even though the extremist content in Islam is seemingly excessively large, we still have to let cooler heads prevail and not condemn 1.2 billion (give or take) people as innately fucked in the head.

The second, is that given the extremely large contingent of extremists in Islam and the very pithy effort of the majority of muslims to counter, squash, or otherwise try to contain their extremist problem, they do all share varying degrees of blame. They need to clean their own house, and too few have tried. It’s difficult to do anything about it, if they won’t take care of it themselves. All we can do is fight and kill terrorists, we cannot ‘fix’ their extremist problem. Only they can do that, and to that end, they have thus far failed.

[quote]outlaws wrote:
Can some one tell me how many people died at the bombings in Turkey last month? How many in Beirut 2 days ago? I don’t expect the average tnation commenter to be bright but fcking hell there are still people here thinking Islam is a religion of hate.

Wake - the - fuck - up

The biggest reason lack of peace in this world is the shit stirring, money greed- blood seeking governments, politicians and bankers and USA is leading the list. Millions have been slaughtered during your endeavors in Middle East to fill the pockets of your politicians & bankers, yet none recognized by you hypocrites or bought off prostitute media.
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There is no direct connection of the shit stirring- money greed- bankers- or whatever you talk about with that kind of event. Greed is everywhere all the time. It’s not a reason.

Since they were also attacks in Beirut and Turkey islam isn’t a religion of hate?

The media is all about inclusion of immigrants, calling the people who want to control immigration xenophobic and appeasement. I never heard anyone in the main media calling Islam a religion of hate directly because they would lose their jobs.

You are probably an arab muslim sympatizer. Fuck you.