Paris Attacks

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Gotta love how a bunch of fucking armchair experts seem to know the answer to something that is still very much an open investigation. Blame immigration, blame all muslims, blame the Jews… Oh wait, wrong decade. The sentiment is the same.

Concerning the dude who was a “refugee” - he passed through Greece. That’s all we really know. Just keep in mind that the refugee road is a long and risky, therefore damn inefficient route to Europe; it’s much easier to fly them in via other countries using fake IDs (if necessary). ISIS has the resources to facilitate this, the run-of-the-mill refugee does not.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Gotta love how a bunch of fucking armchair experts seem to know the answer to something that is still very much an open investigation. Blame immigration, blame all muslims, blame the Jews… Oh wait, wrong decade. The sentiment is the same.

Concerning the dude who was a “refugee” - he passed through Greece. That’s all we really know. Just keep in mind that the refugee road is a long and risky, therefore damn inefficient route to Europe; it’s much easier to fly them in via other countries using fake IDs (if necessary). ISIS has the resources to facilitate this, the run-of-the-mill refugee does not.[/quote]

So because one group was hated one time in the history for bad or good reason you can’t blame any group for anything now?

They screamed Allah Ackbar and that they did it for Syria while killing people in the theater.

Are you one of the people who think it’s ok to take refugees because since ISIS is organised and they wouldn’t bother to walk and they would take the plane, so these refugees wouldn’t be terrorists?

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee

Syria refugee crisis: U.S. opens centres to speed vetting

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576[/quote]

They definitely had experience on the battlefields of Iraq or Syria or training from someone who had.[/quote]

Which means Merkel and Tzipras are directly responsible. Thousands upon thousands of fit young men are entering the EU daily, and no one from the EU elite is batting an eyelid.

Another monstrous attack, another hashtag. Like the proverbial frog in boiling water, the Europeans are adapting to the new normal. Before this, all those politically correct leftists in Europe thought they were reasonably safe if they stayed away from synagogues, major public events and kept their head down and did not “provoke” the “religion of peace” with cartoons or support for Israel. Wrong.

Now it is amply demonstrated that even a low key event such as a concert of a California band in a rather small venue in a middle class neighborhood can get you shot in the head.

Fuck.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Concerning the dude who was a “refugee” - he passed through Greece. That’s all we really know. Just keep in mind that the refugee road is a long and risky[/quote]

No it’s not. The common misconception is that the migrants are facing a long and perilous journey on foot - a bias confirmed by media reports showing mothers carrying crying infants.

Migrants somewhat miraculously appear on the Turkish Western coast (Turkey’s involvement), from where they’re shuttled to neighboring Greek islands by boat, some of them only a few miles away. From then on, it’s train-bus-train-bus all the way to Germany with minimal delays. No walking along muddy footpaths.

All countries on the so called Balkan route are anxious and want to keep migrants’ staying on their territory as little as possible.

Here in Croatia migrants usually spend under 8 hours. They are taken by trains from the Serbian side, then stay in a transit camp for two hours, after which they are again put on a train for Slovenia. From there, the procedure is similar.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:
this is good

http://huff.to/1HJSHWg[/quote]

Excellent analysis…

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Excellent analysis, make sure to read the link embedded in the post:

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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee

Syria refugee crisis: U.S. opens centres to speed vetting

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576[/quote]

They definitely had experience on the battlefields of Iraq or Syria or training from someone who had.[/quote]

Which means Merkel and Tzipras are directly responsible. Thousands upon thousands of fit young men are entering the EU daily, and no one from the EU elite is batting an eyelid.

Another monstrous attack, another hashtag. Like the proverbial frog in boiling water, the Europeans are adapting to the new normal. Before this, all those politically correct leftists in Europe thought they were reasonably safe if they stayed away from synagogues, major public events and kept their head down and did not “provoke” the “religion of peace” with cartoons or support for Israel. Wrong.

Now it is amply demonstrated that even a low key event such as a concert of a California band in a rather small venue in a middle class neighborhood can get you shot in the head.

Fuck.[/quote]

Though that line of reasoning, one could conclude that George W. Bush was “directly responsible” for the September 11th attacks, which is of course preposterous. Intelligence services are not omniscient and hind sight is 20/20. If refugee status under international law is limited to non-military age males, what is to stop that restriction from expanding to Islam outright?

France evidently didn’t think so. That is why it beefed up its homeland security apparatus and was participating in Operation Inherent Resolve. ISIL’s claim of responsibility stated that the attack was in retaliation for French airstrikes in Iraq and Syria.

P.S., I did find your links to be informative and thought provoking. Who is depicted in your avatar? Looks familiar though I can’t recall where I’ve seen the image.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
ISIS will end up sealing their fate by “shotgunning” their efforts like they have. They are making too many enemies and especially erred by goading the Russians.[/quote]

We agree. ISIL is making more enemies by the day and will be hard pressed to maintain their claims as they stand, much less expand them. That in turn will undermine their perceived legitimacy.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Gotta love how a bunch of fucking armchair experts seem to know the answer to something that is still very much an open investigation. Blame immigration, blame all muslims, blame the Jews… Oh wait, wrong decade. The sentiment is the same.

Concerning the dude who was a “refugee” - he passed through Greece. That’s all we really know. Just keep in mind that the refugee road is a long and risky, therefore damn inefficient route to Europe; it’s much easier to fly them in via other countries using fake IDs (if necessary). ISIS has the resources to facilitate this, the run-of-the-mill refugee does not.[/quote]

It’s likely that he was an ISIL operative or supporter masquerading as a refugee and had been radicalized prior to his departure from Syria. Why would he flee ISIL in Syria only to carry out a slaughter in ISIL’s name in the country that received him?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
So you’re armchair quarterbacking the idea that this was a run-of-the-mill refugee, eh?[/quote]

I’m armchair quarterbacking the idea that many people in this thread are overconfident when it comes to their level of intel. Whatever that dude was, run-of-the-mill is clearly not it and I clearly didn’t claim he was.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
So because one group was hated one time in the history for bad or good reason you can’t blame any group for anything now?

They screamed Allah Ackbar and that they did it for Syria while killing people in the theater.

Are you one of the people who think it’s ok to take refugees because since ISIS is organised and they wouldn’t bother to walk and they would take the plane, so these refugees wouldn’t be terrorists?[/quote]

  1. No. Stop it with the strawman arguments.

  2. Concerning the battle cries in the theatre - haven’t heard that one but I think it’s likely. It means the terrorists identified as muslims - it does not mean all muslims are one step away from terrorism.

  3. I think it’s OK to take in refugees because the majority of them will be running from just those circumstances. The idea of ISIS smuggling an army into Europe is a bit too far into tinfoil hat territory for me. People can be assholes, but the law of averages dictates that extremists are a small percentage. Most refugees are scared shitless citizens. Also, what the fuck else are you gonna do? “Sorry folks, some brown people turned out to be killers so no more of those”? What about the fact that some of the Paris assassins were French citizens? You will never have total security unless you have total control over the populace and who here wants this to happen?

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]outlaws wrote:
Can some one tell me how many people died at the bombings in Turkey last month? How many in Beirut 2 days ago? I don’t expect the average tnation commenter to be bright but fcking hell there are still people here thinking Islam is a religion of hate.

Wake - the - fuck - up

The biggest reason lack of peace in this world is the shit stirring, money greed- blood seeking governments, politicians and bankers and USA is leading the list. Millions have been slaughtered during your endeavors in Middle East to fill the pockets of your politicians & bankers, yet none recognized by you hypocrites or bought off prostitute media.
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There is no direct connection of the shit stirring- money greed- bankers- or whatever you talk about with that kind of event. Greed is everywhere all the time. It’s not a reason.

Since they were also attacks in Beirut and Turkey islam isn’t a religion of hate?

The media is all about inclusion of immigrants, calling the people who want to control immigration xenophobic and appeasement. I never heard anyone in the main media calling Islam a religion of hate directly because they would lose their jobs.

You are probably an arab muslim sympatizer. Fuck you.[/quote]

Neither your intelligence nor argumenting skills did not exceed the expected, unfortunately

Your greed doesnt give you the right to invade, slaughter and suck off a country and then expect nothing after.

The governments (discus who actually are they?) of USA, Turkey and S.Arabia are the biggest reason of the chaos in Syria today by their secret yet direct intervening against Assad regime and 100% connected with all this shit happening. Watch - YouTube

Why the fuck else they would bomb people they would see mutual otherwise? Why does an extreme minority of Muslims kill yet others don’t, both belonging the same religion? Did you even read the book yourself before considering 1,6 billion people hateful?

The media doesn’t cover the deaths in Turkey or Lebanon, while more people died than in Paris in total, that’s what i meant by hypocrisy. Belonging to one ethnicity in this world make you less worthy mentioning?

I’d much rather be a kind hearted Arab- Muslim symmpathizer than a fearful war- mongering American.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
3. I think it’s OK to take in refugees because the majority of them will be running from just those circumstances. The idea of ISIS smuggling an army into Europe is a bit too far into tinfoil hat territory for me. People can be assholes, but the law of averages dictates that extremists are a small percentage. Most refugees are scared shitless citizens. Also, what the fuck else are you gonna do? “Sorry folks, some brown people turned out to be killers so no more of those”? What about the fact that some of the Paris assassins were French citizens? You will never have total security unless you have total control over the populace and who here wants this to happen?
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I agree, if the goal is to save as many lives as possible then accepting refugees is the best course of action even if some of them are the enemy. It’s much harder for them to kill people in Europe than Syria, the casualty counts show this.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Typical PWI responses, just some facts

  • Al qaeda is the obvious first choice for blame on organized attacks outside of the region, not ISIL
  • If you factor this into a yearly death average gun control is still in the liberals favor in respects to Paris
  • Compared to our world population these death tolls are nothing, climate change is still unknown so it can’t be dismissed as a smaller problem.[/quote]

What a dumb fucking thing to type.[/quote]

Well lets start with the first one. Why is ISIL the most likely suspect? Again I’m not saying it wasn’t them, I’m just saying without knowing anything they are not the first choice. [/quote]
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I said suspect, not the one eventually found to be guilty. Your answering my question with new information. Yesterday at 9pm EST would this image have been your response?[/quote]

Your statment was a dumb one, just let it go. People died and your talking about fucking climate change.[/quote]

Well 3 people had chimed in on climate change before I posted, which was kind of the point of my post. So we can agree there.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Just keep in mind that the refugee road is a long and risky, therefore damn inefficient route to Europe; it’s much easier to fly them in via other countries using fake IDs (if necessary). ISIS has the resources to facilitate this, the run-of-the-mill refugee does not.[/quote]

or maybe just stay in your region. How far is it to Saudi Arabia from Syria? Probably closer than Europe, and no evil infidels to offend them.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
3. I think it’s OK to take in refugees because the majority of them will be running from just those circumstances. The idea of ISIS smuggling an army into Europe is a bit too far into tinfoil hat territory for me. People can be assholes, but the law of averages dictates that extremists are a small percentage. Most refugees are scared shitless citizens. Also, what the fuck else are you gonna do? “Sorry folks, some brown people turned out to be killers so no more of those”? What about the fact that some of the Paris assassins were French citizens? You will never have total security unless you have total control over the populace and who here wants this to happen?
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I agree, if the goal is to save as many lives as possible then accepting refugees is the best course of action even if some of them are the enemy. It’s much harder for them to kill people in Europe than Syria, the casualty counts show this.[/quote]

The goal of states should be to provide for the security and well being of their citizens. The value of Syrians lives vis a vis American ones from the point of view of the American government should be that American lives are worth more by virtue of their citizenship.