Panzerfaust vs 2012 - 531 Full Body

[quote]TheTexican wrote:

[quote]panzerfaust wrote:

[quote]TheTexican wrote:
I like to see such logical progressions in training models! haha Looks good and I just do my 1 RM on my 1 days… Or just at a meet. Any chance to see you compete?[/quote]

Haha yes I have proven I have the ability to divide 12 by 4. My parents must be proud!

Yeah “1” week is obviously the logical time to do it. I’m a pussy and like the idea of spreading them over a couple of weeks though haha.

Well I’d love to compete in a local meet but I have a raging ego problem, and I am not overly strong for my size - which isn’t surprising since this is really my first year powerlifting training. Short answer, when I can lift 400/300/500 I will look into attending a raw meet =)[/quote]

Just go ahead and do it, man. I can tell you with 100% confidence, once you have an actual meet coming up, your training intensity increases and your focus gets laser sharp. I just committed to a meet in October. I’m pumped and my training sessions have picked up with a solid goal in mind.
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I had a think about your suggestion and have decided I will enter a comp later in the year, just have to find one now! Powerlifting is a serious minnow sport here in New Zealand. There’s a powerlifting specialist gym here in Wellington though, so I am sending them an e-mail to try and find one. Will keep you informed!

Phase 3/Cycle 1/Week 2/Day 3

FRIDAY 13.07.2012

Chin Ups (Supinated, Pronated, Hammer)
10, 10, 10

Squat Full Body Training
3 x 115
3 x 130
1 x 145kg

OH Press 3/3/x
3 x 50
3 x 57.5
7 x 65kg (Rep PR)
1 x 75 (PR - slight hip drive)
1 x 75kg (PR - strict)

Deadlift (5/5/5 for Powerlifting)
5 x 120
5 x 137.5
5 x 157.5

Hanging Leg Raise
10

Notes:

-BLACK FRIDAY lifting

-I went for maximum depth on all my squats, and was happy with the results

-I was aiming for 5 reps on the OH Press, so to smash 7 was great.

-Felt strong after my press set so I tried for a PR. I tend to flex my glutes as I press, and accidentally used a bit of hip drive on the first 75kg PR, so I did it a second time strict - really happy to get this! My goal for 2012 was 80kg, may aim higher now. Happy as.

-Generally a great day of training

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Good stuff panzerfaust and a very informative page here. Looking buff too.

Your squats still look fine. Some forward lean is ok. Just keep pushing to get familiar with heavy wight and improve. Your really good at grinding out hard reps. There is a point in each hard rep where you kind of stick a little. My friend actually looked similar when squatting. I always felt it was a leg drive issue so had him leg press like hell and he improved a lot. So I started thinking more about your squat.

What I’m looking at in your videos are your dead lift and squat. When you dead lift the hips are up high and so your thighs are clearly above being parallel to the floor. If I remember right you dead lifted for a longer time than you squatted. It makes sense that during the motion of a full squat the depth of your hips and thighs below the range of your hips and thighs in dead lift will be lacking in strength. During the motion of a full squat when your hips and thighs reach the level that is equal to your hips and thighs in dead lifting when squatting up out of the hole you should have lots of strength.

That’s what I’m seeing in your vids especially during tough reps. You lift out of the hole well in squat. After that acceleration slows. Then at the point where your hips are at a level similar to your dead lift acceleration ramps up at its greatest. You actually pop at that point. There’s even a cadence there. When you watch yourself squat think hole, slow, pop beginning when you squat in the hole and you’ll see. It’s most obvious during heavy singles and the last rep of multiple rep sets.

hole = fast out of the hole. slow = the part where you slow down and grind. pop = the part where you quickly pop your hips up to finish the rep.

I think a little more attention to this specific area would be helpful and give you an even stronger squat slightly faster if you can make room. I’d normally say leg press to get everything above the waist out of the equation and bring leg strength up but you probably can’t do that. There are still several other options. Single leg squat, lunges, front squats, etc. Nothing crazy just a little more stimulation and work for that particular motion.

Of course if you keep everything the same you’ll obviously still improve a lot. Wow this was a lot longer than I expected I thought it would be a quick observation and suggestion. oh well its already typed up.

…and sorry to hear about the ab wheel.

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[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
Good stuff panzerfaust and a very informative page here. Looking buff too.

Your squats still look fine. Some forward lean is ok. Just keep pushing to get familiar with heavy wight and improve. Your really good at grinding out hard reps. There is a point in each hard rep where you kind of stick a little. My friend actually looked similar when squatting. I always felt it was a leg drive issue so had him leg press like hell and he improved a lot. So I started thinking more about your squat.

What I’m looking at in your videos are your dead lift and squat. When you dead lift the hips are up high and so your thighs are clearly above being parallel to the floor. If I remember right you dead lifted for a longer time than you squatted. It makes sense that during the motion of a full squat the depth of your hips and thighs below the range of your hips and thighs in dead lift will be lacking in strength. During the motion of a full squat when your hips and thighs reach the level that is equal to your hips and thighs in dead lifting when squatting up out of the hole you should have lots of strength.

That’s what I’m seeing in your vids especially during tough reps. You lift out of the hole well in squat. After that acceleration slows. Then at the point where your hips are at a level similar to your dead lift acceleration ramps up at its greatest. You actually pop at that point. There’s even a cadence there. When you watch yourself squat think hole, slow, pop beginning when you squat in the hole and you’ll see. It’s most obvious during heavy singles and the last rep of multiple rep sets.

hole = fast out of the hole. slow = the part where you slow down and grind. pop = the part where you quickly pop your hips up to finish the rep.

I think a little more attention to this specific area would be helpful and give you an even stronger squat slightly faster if you can make room. I’d normally say leg press to get everything above the waist out of the equation and bring leg strength up but you probably can’t do that. There are still several other options. Single leg squat, lunges, front squats, etc. Nothing crazy just a little more stimulation and work for that particular motion.

Of course if you keep everything the same you’ll obviously still improve a lot. Wow this was a lot longer than I expected I thought it would be a quick observation and suggestion. oh well its already typed up.

…and sorry to hear about the ab wheel. [/quote]
Hey Mike, thanks - yeah I seem to have packed out a bit, which is pleasing.

Similarly, I figure some forward lean is ok as long as I keep my weight on my heels, don’t “lose my angle” during the upward drive, and keep the bar in a safe vertical path. As long as I avoid the dreaded “squat morning” I am happy!

That’s a Damn helpful observation, thanks! I definitely know the sticking point you are talking about. Occasionally I seem to find a way around it (whether this is in my stance, depth, or the way I set my body I am unsure) but generally this sticking point is what defines whether I make or fail a lift. But yeah, on any “hard” rep, I bounce out of the hole easily, stagger through the parallel > half squat position, then transition easily from half squat > lockout.

I’d never related it to my deadlift but that makes perfect sense - the angles definitely match up. I’m a high hips deadlifter and can pull a hell of a lot more than I can squat. I only started back squatting this year really - prior attempts had been half squats done off a dodgy rack with no spotting arms. I did used to front squat quite often though.

You are correct in your assumption about the leg press, sadly… as that would be a great way to get more heavy leg work in without adding extra lower back strain.

So your suggestion is to add more “general” leg work in, as opposed to hitting the particular sticking point?

My immediate thought is squat partials - set the pins at my sticking point and do dead-stop reps from this point, with >100% of my back squat max. I have no idea whether this is wise, it just jumped into my head when you pointed out my weak spot.

Otherwise, of course, I could definitely add some unilateral work in, and I do enjoy front squatting.

Thanks man!

Phase 3/Cycle 1/Week 3/Day 1

MONDAY 16-07-12

Chin Ups (varying grip)
10, 10, 10

Squat
5 x 115
3 x 130
4 x 145kg (rep PR)

Good Morning
10 x 62.5
10 x 62.5
10 x 62.5kg

Dips (these are supersetted with the Good Mornings)
15, 15, 10, 10 - 50 total

Front Squat Hold
22s x 140kg

NOTES:

-I actually did the chins earlier in the day as I was bored for a few minutes… hence the rapid change of daylight!

-Fairly pleased with my squats. Likely could have busted 5 reps but I didn’t really have the mindset for it, and I am trying to avoid failure.

-Happy with my dip strength. When I can do 20 reps I will add a weight belt.

-Finished the workout, feeling good without feeling overly strong - - - realised I’d forgotten to take my pre workout black coffee, which is generally so strong I’m sure the chemical makeup is similar to crack cocaine.

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You know the partial rep thing might not be a bad idea. I didn’t think of that. Most important thing is to choose what you think will be most beneficial. I don’t know which of the exercises will suit you best but if your leaning towards one of them then pick it and go for it. I’ve had success both ways when I think about it so I think any of the mentioned ideas can work (partials or full range stuff). Some things I think that are important though:

It’s important you have confidence in which ever strategy you choose and imo that comes from doing what you think works the best to translate to the squat. More confidence = more energy put into the chosen exercise = the more you get out of it. You probably already have a front runner of what will work in your head. If you do I think you should go with it.

I also think it’s important to only choose one assistance exercise and work it. So doing something like partial squat and unilateral stuff or doing front squats and unilateral stuff seems excessive. I think only partial squat, or only unilateral stuff, etc. is fine.

Regardless of the exercise you choose I think you should start off with something pretty light. If doing a weight bearing exercise then use something like 60% of your max and slowly progress from there. If doing body weight stuff then start with a pretty low number of total reps per work out and slowly add more from there.

As an example I did mostly just ab work after squats for a while. When I felt like I was losing some command when the squats started to get kind of heavy I started single leg squats. I started thirty reps per work out and that was it. I’m usually doing about eighty to a hundred reps today and that still seems very easy to me but it’s helping me. Don’t kill yourself with rigorous assistance stuff. Just a little stimulation will work.

this article also has some useful definitions and such in it, relating to this topic.

I started today (going to use my off days since it’s light, and my workouts already take too long) and warmed up with 3 sets of 12 x BW single leg squats (one leg elevated on bench) then I worked up to 4 sets of 5 x 60% parallel box squats, focusing on speed in the ascent.

Phase 3/Cycle 1/Week 3/Day 2

WEDNESDAY 18.07.2012

Squat Full Body Training
3 x 115
3 x 130
1 x 145kg

Close Grip Bench 5/3/1
5 x 70
3 x 80
1 x 90kg (didn’t push this set obviously; see notes)
1 x 100kg
0 x 110kg
0 x 110kg

Single-handed Barbell Row
10 x 25
10 x 30
6 x 42.5kg

NOTES:

-If I had to summarise this workout in two words, they would be: “total” and" abortion".

-was running short on time so I skipped chin ups and ab work.

-tried single-handed barbell rows instead of dumbbell. Didn’t like them. However my dumbbells can’t fit anymore weight on them, so I am unsure what to do. I already use the “long” handle, which can fit eight 5kg plates on it.

-after weeks of rep maxes on close grip bench, and new 1RM on overhead press I was CERTAIN I’d get a new close grip 1RM, so I shot for a 5kg PR:

*First attempt came off the chest well with a slight pause, then I lost the bar path towards my face and failed.

*Second attempt from a quick pause came off the chest well and stalled at my usual spot about 8 inches off the chest, ground it for a few seconds then lost the bar path again. This rep hurt my shoulders too, which is just great… Fuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkk!!!

-Was REALLY REALLY REALLY pissed off about this, as I was mega confident of setting a 10kg PR, and didn’t even get the 5kg one…

-I’m wondering if the lack of heavy singles is screwing up my max attempts? Might try 5/3/1 for Powerlifting rep scheme for bench, as I already do this for deadlift with good results.

Grumpily yours,
Panzerfaust

Hi.
But in page 1 your 1rm for the CGBP is 90 kg, so you made the 10 kg pr?!?
BTW, what is the reason for the Close Grip Bench Press, problems during normal benches? og focus on triceps developement?.

Generally you are making pr regurlarly, so don´t worry. You will get it soon.

[quote]Backbone wrote:
Hi.
But in page 1 your 1rm for the CGBP is 90 kg, so you made the 10 kg pr?!?
BTW, what is the reason for the Close Grip Bench Press, problems during normal benches? og focus on triceps developement?.

Generally you are making pr regurlarly, so don´t worry. You will get it soon.[/quote]

Hey man - no, I already PR’d at 105kg for the close grip bench press about 2 months ago, so I was expecting at least 110kg this time.

I close grip bench press because of shoulder issues I’ve had for about 3 years from sports. This year I have finally got over my shoulder injuries but I am nervous of wide grip benching.

Phase 3/Cycle 1/Week 3/Day 3

FRIDAY 20.07.2012

Chin Ups (Supinated, Pronated, Hammer)
10, 10, 10

Squat Full Body Training
3 x 115
3 x 130
1 x 145kg

OH Press 5/3/x
5 x 55
3 x 60
4 x 67.5kg

Deadlift (5/3/1 for Powerlifting)
5 x 137.5
3 x 167.5 (miscalculated - was meant to do 157.5kg)
1 x 175kg
1 x 185
1 x 215kg (PR!!)

Hanging Leg Raise
10

Notes:

-Really happy with this workout.

-Press I got the same reps as last time - no big deal, my shoulder was a bit sore anyway.

-Deadlift PR of +10kgs and it felt pretty safe; I’ll be good for 220kg in a couple of weeks I imagine =)

Congrats on DL PR Panzer :slight_smile:

nice deadlift buddy. closin in on the 500 mark!

Thanks guys - yeah that next 12.5kg will hopefully not take too long to breach!
The heavy singles scheme I used this cycle obviously works well for me; really happy with it.

video:
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DELOAD WEEK

-I am going to take it really easy this week. I will do the prescribed deload percentages, with very minimal assistance. I will do a lot of single-leg body-weight squatting and light shoulder/chest/back work. I’ve been getting slightly glitchy shoulders and have an ongoing problem with squats (probably ongoing because I squat 3-5 times per week ha) so a proper rest week should do me some good!

I look forward to checking back in next Monday with Cycle 2 of Phase 3, wherein I will squat my current 1RM every training day! Fun!

Irritatingly, my bodyweight has actually dropped a kg over the past 2 weeks; back down to 92kg/203lb. I guess on the bright side that gives me a 2.34 x BW deadlift haha (clutching at straws here). But yes, Bulking is not going so well! Maybe I should add a PB sandwich to my daily diet.

well over the deload; hurry up, Monday!

Phase 3/Cycle 2/Week 1/Day 1

MONDAY 30-07-12

Chin Ups (varying grip)
10, 10, 10

Squat (5/5/x)
5 x 102.5
5 x 117.5
6 x 135kg (rep PR)

Good Morning
10 x 65
10 x 65
10 x 65kg

Dips (these are supersetted with the Good Mornings)
15, 12, 12, 11 - 50 total

Front Squat Hold
16s x 140kg

NOTES:

-Have been a bit busy but I will try to back-date my training log!

-This workout may not look like much but it fucking killed me. I was in the light headed zone afterwards. Possibly because I had a box squat session the day before.

-Everything went much as planned, though I should have pushed for 7 reps on the squats.

-Was feeling on death’s door by the time I did my final Front Squat Hold, so it didn’t last long!
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Oh in case I hadn’t mentioned, I have added two more days into my schedule, comprising:

Single Leg Squats
BW x 50 reps total

Parallel Box Squats
100kg(60%) 10 x 3

Arnold Press/Incline Press/Dumbbell Bench
Light 3 x 15 - supersetted with a few chin ups

…this is pretty much to add in a bit of dynamic squat work to help kill my sticking point, along with some single leg work and some light upper body work to get the blood flowing and aid in recovery. My normal training days are Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So I am doing these extra workouts on Tuesday and Thursday.

I’m at 94kgs bodyweight now.