What the fuck? They running low on Jews to kill? Or is killing your own brothers and sisters more fun?
How Israel helped to create Hamas
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_02_12/article4.html
Israel aided Hamas
It’s in their genes I tell ya…
Pat, it’s no suprise. One only has to look at what passes for textbooks, state TV, and religious sermons there. They’ve created a monster in Palestine. There will be no peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and none amongst themselves, until they drop the indoctrination. You’ve got factions doing Allah’s work. Except now they’re disagreeing on how to do it. And when one is talking about a jihadi/martyr culture, that’s a violent disagreement.
It’ll probably be implied that I’m a Zionist (though I’ve never opposed a Palestinian state). At which point I’ll link reports concerning Palestinian textbooks. I’ll provide sources for what passes as PA TV. I’ll bring out Hamas’ charter (again). I’ll provide pics of parades wear the smallest of children where pretend suicide vests. And much more.
You’re seeing the results of Islamic-warrior/martyrdom indoctrination from early ages on up.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pat, it’s no suprise. One only has to look at what passes for textbooks, state TV, and religious sermons there. They’ve created a monster in Palestine. There will be no peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and none amongst themselves, until they drop the indoctrination. You’ve got factions doing Allah’s work. Except now they’re disagreeing on how to do it. And when one is talking about a jihadi/martyr culture, that’s a violent disagreement.
It’ll probably be implied that I’m a Zionist (though I’ve never opposed a Palestinian state). At which point I’ll link reports concerning Palestinian textbooks. I’ll provide sources for what passes as PA TV. I’ll bring out Hamas’ charter (again). I’ll provide pics of parades where the smallest of children where pretend suicide vests. And much more.
You’re seeing the results of Islamic-warrior/martyrdom indoctrination from early ages on up.[/quote]
I don’t see where zionism is an opposition to a Palistinian State, but just a movement for a Jewish state. I do support Israel’s right to exist, but not because they are a jewish state. Actually, I prefer they be a state that just happens to be populated mostly by jews rather than a Jewish state. If that makes me a zionist, than I were that badge with pride.
Of course, you can’t blame Israel for not wanting anything to do with the palistinians, they behave like a bunch of drunken, rabid animals. Who’d want that shit around?
[quote]pat36 wrote:
I don’t see where zionism is an opposition to a Palistinian State, but just a movement for a Jewish state. I do support Israel’s right to exist, but not because they are a jewish state. Actually, I prefer they be a state that just happens to be populated mostly by jews rather than a Jewish state. If that makes me a zionist, than I were that badge with pride.
Of course, you can’t blame Israel for not wanting anything to do with the palistinians, they behave like a bunch of drunken, rabid animals. Who’d want that shit around?
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The Israeli leaders haven’t been all peaches and cream but I agree with the rest of your statement. The dumb-fuck religious Jews who have power connections in Israel need to be stopped so that they can just hand over Jerusalem to Palestine and go a LONG way towards peace.
I know it won’t totally end the whole “wipe them off the face of the planet” thing, but it’d certainly go a long way towards ending the indoctrination by taking away its most powerful tool, the “they stole the holy land” angle.
Why would the Israelis give up Jerusalem? Why not the palestinains giving up Jerusalem?
They gave up Lebanon, and they are attacked from Lebanon. They gave up Gaza and they are attacked from Gaza. If they give up Jerusalem, they will be attacked from Jerusalem.
If you appease, or try to bargan with these people, they see it as a weakness and exploit it. Their goal is the destruction of Israel, not a side by side State.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
They gave up Lebanon, and they are attacked from Lebanon. [/quote]
Those Lebanese sure know how to hold a grudge. After all, it’s not like Israel had anything to do with the flow of Palestinian refugees to Lebanon in '48 or '67. Nor is Israel to blame for the Lebanese civil war. Everybody knows that the cause is “the drunken rabid animal” blood that flows in their veins. Nor does it have anything to do with the repeated violations of Lebanese sovereignty by the IDF.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
They gave up Lebanon, and they are attacked from Lebanon.
Those Lebanese sure know how to hold a grudge. After all, it’s not like Israel had anything to do with the flow of Palestinian refugees to Lebanon in '48 or '67. Nor is Israel to blame for the Lebanese civil war. Everybody knows that the cause is “the drunken rabid animal” blood that flows in their veins. Nor does it have anything to do with the repeated violations of Lebanese sovereignty by the IDF.[/quote]
The truth is that if Israel never did anything wrong, it’s neighbors would hate them and call for their destruction and attack them. The rest is excuses, it’s all bullshit. They are attacking Israelis just to kill them and nothing more. Their “justifications” are all just thinly veiled excuses to draw Jewish blood. It is an honor for them to kill Jews and they believe it will get them to heaven. They do not do it for any other reason. You know it and so does everybody else.
I could understand doing battle to accomplish means or to oust an aggressor, but they are doing neither. They just fire rockets or send in suicide bombers to kill people at random. So they can shout in the street and fire off AK-47’s in the air.
I know Israel is no choir boy, I know they have done ugly things, but I also know much of it was done in retaliation. The behaviour of the palestinians makes it very difficult to feel sorry for them. They are always violent, if they aren’t attacking Israel they are killing each other. At least when they are killing each other, they are to busy to attack Israel, so I guess their is a silver lining.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
They gave up Lebanon, and they are attacked from Lebanon.
Those Lebanese sure know how to hold a grudge. After all, it’s not like Israel had anything to do with the flow of Palestinian refugees to Lebanon in '48 or '67. Nor is Israel to blame for the Lebanese civil war. Everybody knows that the cause is “the drunken rabid animal” blood that flows in their veins. Nor does it have anything to do with the repeated violations of Lebanese sovereignty by the IDF.
The truth is that if Israel never did anything wrong, it’s neighbors would hate them and call for their destruction and attack them. The rest is excuses, it’s all bullshit. They are attacking Israelis just to kill them and nothing more. Their “justifications” are all just thinly veiled excuses to draw Jewish blood. It is an honor for them to kill Jews and they believe it will get them to heaven. They do not do it for any other reason. You know it and so does everybody else.
I could understand doing battle to accomplish means or to oust an aggressor, but they are doing neither. They just fire rockets or send in suicide bombers to kill people at random. So they can shout in the street and fire off AK-47’s in the air.
I know Israel is no choir boy, I know they have done ugly things, but I also know much of it was done in retaliation. The behaviour of the palestinians makes it very difficult to feel sorry for them. They are always violent, if they aren’t attacking Israel they are killing each other. At least when they are killing each other, they are to busy to attack Israel, so I guess their is a silver lining.[/quote]
Yes, but why are you arguing this with Lixy? He agrees with them.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
They gave up Lebanon, and they are attacked from Lebanon.
Those Lebanese sure know how to hold a grudge. After all, it’s not like Israel had anything to do with the flow of Palestinian refugees to Lebanon in '48 or '67. Nor is Israel to blame for the Lebanese civil war. Everybody knows that the cause is “the drunken rabid animal” blood that flows in their veins. Nor does it have anything to do with the repeated violations of Lebanese sovereignty by the IDF.[/quote]
Glad to see you finally figuring it all out.