Pacquiao Roids Nonsense

Training
61

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
No, if Oscar would have jabbed he would’ve won even then many people thought he won. (This is indisputable Mayweather fans).

I’m not saying Money was lucky just that he hand picks fights which definitely has something to do with his record.

I kind of see where you can say Mayweather adjusted against Hatton, but I’ll be biased because I’ve never thought Hatton was that good.[/quote]

Hatton wasn’t bad, he was a good little fighter. He also had a pretty good fight against Floyd. As weird as it sounds; if Hatton didn’t get knocked out he would have won that fight.

That could be said for everyones’ record. I’d like to have seen him take some different fights recently, he did earn his spot at the top though.[/quote]

I will have to watch Hatton/Mayweather again some time because I don’t remember thinkiing that Hatton was winning that fight… I certainly don’t remember thinking Floyd needed a KO to win.

62

So, is Floyd / Pac still on?

63

[quote]SKman wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
No, if Oscar would have jabbed he would’ve won even then many people thought he won. (This is indisputable Mayweather fans).

I’m not saying Money was lucky just that he hand picks fights which definitely has something to do with his record.

I kind of see where you can say Mayweather adjusted against Hatton, but I’ll be biased because I’ve never thought Hatton was that good.[/quote]

Hatton wasn’t bad, he was a good little fighter. He also had a pretty good fight against Floyd. As weird as it sounds; if Hatton didn’t get knocked out he would have won that fight.

That could be said for everyones’ record. I’d like to have seen him take some different fights recently, he did earn his spot at the top though.[/quote]

I will have to watch Hatton/Mayweather again some time because I don’t remember thinkiing that Hatton was winning that fight… I certainly don’t remember thinking Floyd needed a KO to win.[/quote]

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.

64

[quote]SKman wrote:

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.[/quote]

See, I still believe that Ricky had the PERFECT style to beat Floyd- he just wasn’t technically good enough to pull it off.

It was the perfect style matchup- similar in many ways to Frazier-ALi- a swarmer with a great left hook going up against a fighter with great footwork and a great straight right. The main difference is that Frazier fought out of a stance that allowed him to bob and weave alot, and was adept at landing that kangaroo hook on a taller fighter. Hatton came in standing up too much and never keeps his hands up. If he learned to fight more like Frazier, and caused Floyd to miss on the straight right while being able to counter with a left hook, he could have won that fight.

Unfortunately, good swarmers are hard to find- Hatton is probably the best of them in the last few years, and if he couldn’t beat Floyd, it’s going to take an incredible boxer to be able to do it.

65

Whenever people put pressure on Floyd he mainly just goes completely defensive. Think of the Oscar fight, when Oscar put pressure on Floyd, even though he didn’t hurt Floyd, he still got points for landing more punches and being the busier fighter. Hatton was consistently putting pressure on Floyd and putting Floyd in a defensive cocoon.

66

If I recall correctly, hatton got him in a whole lot of trouble at one point and the ref stepped in and it gave mayweather enough chance to get his head together, but I might be thinking of a different fight?

67

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
If I recall correctly, hatton got him in a whole lot of trouble at one point and the ref stepped in and it gave mayweather enough chance to get his head together, but I might be thinking of a different fight?[/quote]

Definitely a different fight.

68

Can someone please help me understand what is so difficult about a blood test that Pac’s camp vehemently refused Mayweather’s request? From my own experience giving blood and being blood tested I remember it was fast, painless, and not a bit unpleasant. Is there any credible explanation other than Pac can’t plan his cycle w/ random drug tests?

69

pacman is willing to do the regular mandatory testing, why should he let mayweather bitch him around.
he hasn’t failed any tests so why should he be treated as a cheater?? Boring ass gayweather is scared of
a real fighter

70

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]SKman wrote:

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.[/quote]

See, I still believe that Ricky had the PERFECT style to beat Floyd- he just wasn’t technically good enough to pull it off.

It was the perfect style matchup- similar in many ways to Frazier-ALi- a swarmer with a great left hook going up against a fighter with great footwork and a great straight right. The main difference is that Frazier fought out of a stance that allowed him to bob and weave alot, and was adept at landing that kangaroo hook on a taller fighter. Hatton came in standing up too much and never keeps his hands up. If he learned to fight more like Frazier, and caused Floyd to miss on the straight right while being able to counter with a left hook, he could have won that fight.

Unfortunately, good swarmers are hard to find- Hatton is probably the best of them in the last few years, and if he couldn’t beat Floyd, it’s going to take an incredible boxer to be able to do it.[/quote]

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.

Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.

71

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
pacman is willing to do the regular mandatory testing, why should he let mayweather bitch him around.
he hasn’t failed any tests so why should he be treated as a cheater?? Boring ass gayweather is scared of
a real fighter[/quote]

Regular testing leaves a lot more room than Olympic testing, someone could definitely cheat the standard testing at the professional level if they chose to. That’s exactly why Mayweather wants Olympic style testing. I’m not saying Pacquiao takes any banned substances, but I’m not saying passing the tests mean you don’t take any banned substances either.

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]SKman wrote:

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.[/quote]

See, I still believe that Ricky had the PERFECT style to beat Floyd- he just wasn’t technically good enough to pull it off.

It was the perfect style matchup- similar in many ways to Frazier-ALi- a swarmer with a great left hook going up against a fighter with great footwork and a great straight right. The main difference is that Frazier fought out of a stance that allowed him to bob and weave alot, and was adept at landing that kangaroo hook on a taller fighter. Hatton came in standing up too much and never keeps his hands up. If he learned to fight more like Frazier, and caused Floyd to miss on the straight right while being able to counter with a left hook, he could have won that fight.

Unfortunately, good swarmers are hard to find- Hatton is probably the best of them in the last few years, and if he couldn’t beat Floyd, it’s going to take an incredible boxer to be able to do it.[/quote]

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.

Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Often times Floyd will kind of rope-a-dope fighters. He picks his shots and lets the other guy flurry and wear himself down, that way in the later rounds he can completely control the fight. He does that with any fighter putting pressure on him. Rushing an early KO wouldn’t be Mayweather’s style.

Pacquiao didn’t beat Hatton because Hatton pumps his hand, Pacquiao beat Hatton because Hatton had nothing left. After the loss to Floyd I just haven’t been impressed with him.

72

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
pacman is willing to do the regular mandatory testing, why should he let mayweather bitch him around.
he hasn’t failed any tests so why should he be treated as a cheater?? Boring ass gayweather is scared of
a real fighter[/quote]

Regular testing leaves a lot more room than Olympic testing, someone could definitely cheat the standard testing at the professional level if they chose to. That’s exactly why Mayweather wants Olympic style testing. I’m not saying Pacquiao takes any banned substances, but I’m not saying passing the tests mean you don’t take any banned substances either.

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]SKman wrote:

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.[/quote]

See, I still believe that Ricky had the PERFECT style to beat Floyd- he just wasn’t technically good enough to pull it off.

It was the perfect style matchup- similar in many ways to Frazier-ALi- a swarmer with a great left hook going up against a fighter with great footwork and a great straight right. The main difference is that Frazier fought out of a stance that allowed him to bob and weave alot, and was adept at landing that kangaroo hook on a taller fighter. Hatton came in standing up too much and never keeps his hands up. If he learned to fight more like Frazier, and caused Floyd to miss on the straight right while being able to counter with a left hook, he could have won that fight.

Unfortunately, good swarmers are hard to find- Hatton is probably the best of them in the last few years, and if he couldn’t beat Floyd, it’s going to take an incredible boxer to be able to do it.[/quote]

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.

Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Often times Floyd will kind of rope-a-dope fighters. He picks his shots and lets the other guy flurry and wear himself down, that way in the later rounds he can completely control the fight. He does that with any fighter putting pressure on him. Rushing an early KO wouldn’t be Mayweather’s style.

Pacquiao didn’t beat Hatton because Hatton pumps his hand, Pacquiao beat Hatton because Hatton had nothing left. After the loss to Floyd I just haven’t been impressed with him.[/quote]

Look at the Hatton fight again. Pac kept nailing him with right hooks every time Hatton wanted to throw the left hand.

And yes, May should have KO’d Hatton in the 5th or 6th. I would have made more money off Hatton fans I bet with.

73

[quote]fnf wrote:

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.
[/quote]

Hatton is a great fighter, definitely an A level fighter. He gave Mayweather a great fight, and Pac just matched up with him great stylistically and was better than him. But he was a top level guy.

Hatton had the right style but didn’t execute it the right way. That’s all there is to it.

[quote]
Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.[/quote]

That’s bullshit. On what punch exactly did Mayweather knock Hatton out? It was Hatton’s left hook, that Floyd countered with a check hook. And that was Floyd, not Roger. So Mayweather saw it was before Roach- I hate to tell you, but Roach watched the film of that fight and copied “How to Knock Ricky Out” from Floyd, nearly exactly.

I’m not sure what the hell you were watching…

74

Hands up, I was thinking of a totally different fight with kessler.

I hear the fight could be called off, and hatton’s brother may be set to fight him.

What do you think about that?

75

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]fnf wrote:

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.
[/quote]

Hatton is a great fighter, definitely an A level fighter. He gave Mayweather a great fight, and Pac just matched up with him great stylistically and was better than him. But he was a top level guy.

Hatton had the right style but didn’t execute it the right way. That’s all there is to it.

[quote]
Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.[/quote]

That’s bullshit. On what punch exactly did Mayweather knock Hatton out? It was Hatton’s left hook, that Floyd countered with a check hook. And that was Floyd, not Roger. So Mayweather saw it was before Roach- I hate to tell you, but Roach watched the film of that fight and copied “How to Knock Ricky Out” from Floyd, nearly exactly.

I’m not sure what the hell you were watching…[/quote]

When Pac dropped Hatton the first time with a right hook, Hatton did pump his left hand to throw a hook. When Pac KOd him in the 2nd, Hatton was throwing a lazy left hand, then got caught with the left by Pac.

Look up some of old fights of Hatton, he does have that subtle habit of pumping his left. Roach said he looks for habits of fighters and tries to expose them. So seeing Floyd KO Hatton, Roach must have noticed it also from previous fights. But as you said, Roger didn’t see it, Floyd did.

76

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
pacman is willing to do the regular mandatory testing, why should he let mayweather bitch him around.
he hasn’t failed any tests so why should he be treated as a cheater?? Boring ass gayweather is scared of
a real fighter[/quote]

Regular testing leaves a lot more room than Olympic testing, someone could definitely cheat the standard testing at the professional level if they chose to. That’s exactly why Mayweather wants Olympic style testing. I’m not saying Pacquiao takes any banned substances, but I’m not saying passing the tests mean you don’t take any banned substances either.

[quote]fnf wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]SKman wrote:

… just watched it on youtube… yeah it was closer than I remember. I had Hatton winning close after the first seven rounds until Floyd turned it on in the 8th to hurt Hatton and eventually stopped him in the 10th. However Hatton never really had Floyd hurt or in trouble, he mainly just smothered him without landing many clean shots.[/quote]

See, I still believe that Ricky had the PERFECT style to beat Floyd- he just wasn’t technically good enough to pull it off.

It was the perfect style matchup- similar in many ways to Frazier-ALi- a swarmer with a great left hook going up against a fighter with great footwork and a great straight right. The main difference is that Frazier fought out of a stance that allowed him to bob and weave alot, and was adept at landing that kangaroo hook on a taller fighter. Hatton came in standing up too much and never keeps his hands up. If he learned to fight more like Frazier, and caused Floyd to miss on the straight right while being able to counter with a left hook, he could have won that fight.

Unfortunately, good swarmers are hard to find- Hatton is probably the best of them in the last few years, and if he couldn’t beat Floyd, it’s going to take an incredible boxer to be able to do it.[/quote]

Sorry Irish, I like Hatton but as you said, he was not technically good enough. I might add Hatton was just too slow for Mayweather. Maybe Mayweather was weary of Hattons punching power, but he should have KO’d him in the 5th or 6th.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatton is good, but not as great as you think he is. You’ll probably argue that with Pac.

Also, here’s a reason Roach can match Roger Mayweather as a coach; Roach was able to pick up Hattons habit of pumping his left hand before he throws it, and Pac was able to capitalize on it with an early KO. Mayweather didn’t.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Often times Floyd will kind of rope-a-dope fighters. He picks his shots and lets the other guy flurry and wear himself down, that way in the later rounds he can completely control the fight. He does that with any fighter putting pressure on him. Rushing an early KO wouldn’t be Mayweather’s style.

Pacquiao didn’t beat Hatton because Hatton pumps his hand, Pacquiao beat Hatton because Hatton had nothing left. After the loss to Floyd I just haven’t been impressed with him.[/quote]

Look at the Hatton fight again. Pac kept nailing him with right hooks every time Hatton wanted to throw the left hand.

And yes, May should have KO’d Hatton in the 5th or 6th. I would have made more money off Hatton fans I bet with.[/quote]

I don’t need to watch the fight again. Hatton hasn’t done anything since losing to Floyd, Pacquiao was his first fight against a good opponent and he got KOd. I don’t exactly think of an elite fighter knocking out Hatton as some sort of milestone. It wouldn’t of mattered if Roach just said “go out and fight him”, Pacquiao would have won that fight.

77

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Hands up, I was thinking of a totally different fight with kessler.

I hear the fight could be called off, and hatton’s brother may be set to fight him.

What do you think about that?[/quote]

To fight Pacquiao? I’ve heard they’ve been thinking of Paulie Malignaggi or Yuri Foreman. Malignaggi? Horrible choice. Foreman? I’d really be disappointed if they went that route to get a title in another division.

78

Sorry, should have made it clear, Hatton’s brother to fight Mayweather. Personally, I’d like to see that fight. The two you mentioned would be okay, but I’m still hoping its Mayweather/Pac.

79

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Sorry, should have made it clear, Hatton’s brother to fight Mayweather. Personally, I’d like to see that fight. The two you mentioned would be okay, but I’m still hoping its Mayweather/Pac.[/quote]

Why would you want to see Mayweather fight Hatton’s brother? That fight would be a huge mismatch.

80

I had my sarcasm mode on for that, I cant see that fight happening!