I scrolled up and saw your mention of white supremacy and again Hitler. So I will no longer engage with you.
- I’m not white.
- I don’t refer to Nazi thought for my reasoning or logic.
How?
If you aren’t white, are you Asian?
And stop being a pussy. I have a feeling you protest too much.
You’ve got dozens of ethnic groups - (Circassians, Kalmyks, Kyrgyz..) that a “three races of man” advocate would have trouble categorizing into these arbitrary groups.
In the US I’ve met immigrants from ex-USSR belonging to these groups where societal race obsession assigned different “races” to siblings. For example, a girl would be “asian” while her brother would be “white” and vice versa.
For example, these people are all Kalmyk:
The US recognizes 5 races I believe. And Brickhead says he isn’t white, but Jewish. He apparently is unaware that Semitic peoples fall under the heading of Caucasian. Edit: And this is in spite of Israel being in Asia.
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I don’t have trouble and I’m familiar with all three groups and their varying appearances.
If there are not three main ones, how many are there?
Technically speaking I’m part white, part Asian.
Not wanting to engage with someone being routinely disingenuous and malicious isn’t being a p—-. And though I’d want to show that I definitely wouldn’t be that with you IRL and gladly turn up the heat, Id have to refrain from that too considering consequences.
You introduced name calling and something routinely used for gaslighting. I didn’t. And I even said if your arguments were convincing, I’d correct myself.
Could you point that out?
I don’t know what that means.
I called you a name?
Not every reference to the Nazis or Hitler is irrelevant.
We both know that wouldn’t happen since you actually believe there is an Asian race.
Well, then Native Americans are also "Asians’.
High Five!
I’m cool with that. Now give us back our land, all you colonizers!
First we take Manhattan. Then we take Berlin for shits and giggles.
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Ok, I’m aware of the 3 racial categories and let’s just say for the sake of argument that I agree with you.
Don’t you think that there should be a further distinction TODAY even if it’s only for pragmatic reasons?
There are already further distinctions in the various branches of those races. I’ll only mention them if people can withhold from the Mention of Nazism or white supremacy, which I shouldn’t be subjected to if I have no agenda and am simply talking about the classification of people. Maybe it can be a test of self control in the same way one might withhold from mentioning Islam when one isn’t talking about Islam
. Apparently I have to have Nazism mentioned even when classifying myself.
You’re talking to me, right? I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone a Nazi here other than myself, in jest of course lol.
So, still assuming that I agree with you, wouldn’t it be more apt to discuss racial issues TODAY with these distinctions that you’ve also acknowledged?
If I said to someone that I know a Caucasoid/Mongoloid mix (you), what would that even mean to that person?
I remember in our previous conversations, you’ve said when you used the term “Asian”, you were referring to people of Chinese and Korean ethnicity that you personally knew and I immediately understood what you meant.
Now think about an Indian or Arab dude reading that without prior clarification and thinking, “What the fuck is this guy talking about? I’m nothing like that.”
Yeah some (most?) arabs look more like northern African or south European people than what American think of when they say “Asian”.
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When someone says something that is exactly the same thing that Nazis said, he shouldn’t cry when that FACT gets pointed out. It doesn’t mean that that person is a Nazi or hates Jews but it should be something that person reflects on as he examines his beliefs and what the consequences of those beliefs are now in this world and especially were, in Germany post WW1. If you say a German Jew could never be German then you are saying someone whose ancestors came from [insert nation here] could never be American. Who thinks that way in America today? Anyway, there’s an Orson Welles film that points out this Nazi belief:
“In one of the film’s pivotal scenes, Wilson has dinner with Kindler and the Longstreets. There is discussion about German culture post WWII. Kindler doesn’t believe the German people can be reformed post-Holocaust. Kindler says “The will to freedom has been voiced in every other tongue- ''All men are created equal,” liberte, egalite, fraternite- but in German.” This leads Mary’s brother Noah (Richard Long) to mention Karl Marx and his quote about the working class starting a revolution. Kindler replies that Marx wasn’t German, he was a Jew. This gives Kindler away to Wilson. [W]ho but a Nazi would deny that Karl Marx was a German because he was a Jew?" asks Wilson later. Despite Kindler’s best efforts to hide his true identity, this one remark is a subtle but crucial clue to his true self. It’s the smallest thing that can reveal who we truly are. "
Davies in the Dark: For Noirvember- "Marx wasn't a German, Marx was a Jew:" Some thoughts on Orson Welles' "The Stranger."’%201946%20film%20The,a%20self%2Dcontained%20noirish%20universe.
Crying? Head exploding? I’m a p—? That’s some imagination you have.
You’re highly disingenuous. And I don’t care to talk to people who are disingenuous. It’s similar to when I have to hear about Islam when someone provides even the slightest criticism of women, another example of gaslighting.
Your reasoning is a fine example of Reductio ad Hitlerum, to a T! The Nazis were environmentalists. Should environmentalists examine their beliefs and activities because of this. Hitler liked dogs. I have a dog too. Shall I examine this as well?
Nothing happens because of any belief unless someone makes it so! In fact one can think whatever he wants and not partake in one behavior because of this belief or even have motivation to do so.
And when I started posting in this thread I predicted, rightfully so, that someone would be chomping at the bit to bring up Nazism, my intuition was accurate.
None of my family consider ourselves anything ethically other than Jews. Our relatives have lived in Turkey, Spain, Germany, Poland, Cuba, and Hungary. And I can certainly tell you that none of us say our ethnic backgrounds reflect those nations. I have a German last name. I still have no German ethnicity that I know of. My paternal granddad’s name was Adolph. My maternal granddad name was a Mario Perez. But neither of them would tell you they were German or Spanish, rightfully so. So by your logic all of my family should have self reflected and examined themselves for supposed false beliefs. We should all have turned to you for our morality and shining examples of great behavior and for properly identifying who we are.
Why would I turn to you anyway. You’re an insulting, nervy, highly dramatic (bringing up Nazis when simply talking about classification of people is an example), malicious, rude, confrontational, anonymous poster
Concepts of race, nationality, and ethnicity were around before Nazis and I don’t care to look to them as the foremost authorities on what they are. It appears you have more of an interest on the topic of them than I do considering you so frequently have mentioned them.
According to some logic here I can park myself anywhere on earth and identify with the natives. Maybe I’ll tell my close Korean friend of 33 years that I’m capable of becoming Korean by moving to Korea.
PS: My grandmother died last night so hold off in talking tough for a few days. You might be able to do it. Thanks.
You’re using a word you don’t know the meaning of. I asked you to point it out and you have failed.
No, it isn’t. Again, you don’t understand the meaning of words you are using.
This is nonsensical.
I think that reflects upon your beliefs and your awareness of them.
Or maybe I’m just better educated than you.
Apparently, they are still around.
Define native.
If you can get citizenship, why not?
This is true, but given the highly charged nature of using the word Nazi, and especially the fact that people say it all the time as an accusation, I would not necessarily expect a person to easily recognize the statement as anything other than an accusation. The expectation is already there through social conditioning.
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The statement that German Jews were not German is also highly charged. I should have been more understanding because the person who said it is clearly ignorant of history as well as current politics in Europe. When you say Jews could never be German then you are saying they could never be Italian, for example. I wonder what Primo Levi (someone who the poster in question would need to Google) would have thought of that? You are also saying Jews cannot be American. Is it a stretch to go from that to people whose ancestors came from Mexico, China, Russia, Ireland, Nigeria, etc., can never be American?
The person in question is ignorant of what the people who we are referring to thought. The German Jews considered themselves German and that right there should have shut him up from posting anymore nonsense. I believe it may be illegal to even refer to someone by race in Germany and Austria. So one isn’t a black German but simply German. Currently, in nations like France, you have citizens whose ancestors came from Africa or the Middle East who represent their nation in the Olympics, for example. One wouldn’t look at the US Olympic team and upon seeing someone who has a Japanese name and looks Japanese and ask, “that’s an American?” Why? Because anyone can be an American. But somehow we can look at the French team and upon seeing black and Middle Eastern athletes and say, “they aren’t French.” Yeah, that’s exactly what racists in France say. It’s probably what the French who turned in Jews to the Nazis during WW2 said.
You often say I’m ignorant to things I already know and what are my emotions.
I’m aware of some European politics. You said it might be that identifying someone’s race in two counties is illegal. What does this has to do with me, especially if I don’t mind someone identifying me as Jewish?
I know who Primo Levi is. Some in my family read his books, some of which were in my own home.
You said my “head would explode” if I saw certain teams. I already saw them. My head didn’t explode.
You talked about crying. I’ve never cried during this conversation.
I know some German Jews fought for Germany, some even in the Wermacht. And there were even some Jews who were fond of Hitler in his earlier years.
Austrian soldiers praying at the Western Wall during WW1.
Hungarian military chaplains holding service at the front.
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