Just some Armenoid bankers…
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Yet, you state nonsense like Asian is a race when if anything, it’s a geographical designation.
You state the (OK, I won’t mention what you find upsetting) racist idea that Jews cannot be Germans (and I assume that you also believe they can’t be American using your logic).
Some? They were disproportionately represented in combat units in WW1. We have statements from surviving German Jews in which they say they were happy when Germany invaded France in WW2. So I ask, why can’t a Jew also be German? Italian? American? English? Mexican? Jamaican?
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I agree with this part and understand what you’re saying overall, but I also think this would have been a better first argument. It has a much better chance of succeeding or to use your phrase make a person “examine his beliefs an what the consequences of those beliefs are”.
You are undoubtedly far more educated on history than the vast majority of people, even highly educated people. It’s just my opinion that many people say things and are unaware of the philosophical origins, that’s all. I am quite certain I’ve said something that fits that category of ignorance at some point in my life, probably a number of times.
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This was written by a Jewish American in response to Ilhan Omar:
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Or in the case of Isaak Eduard Schnitzer aka Emin Pasha, you can be a proud German, then a most loyal Ottoman governor (bey) and perish as a German (again) fighting Arab slave traders.
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The Jewish Nazi argument always cracks me up. Portions of my extended family died in the holocaust whilst much of my immediate family had to immigrate. Most who are ethnically Jewish have ancestors/relatives who faced similar circumstances.
I doubt many Jews are deciding to go along with Nazism as a result… Nor can I see many Jews advocating for racial superiority, we TEND to be peaceful when left alone. Though the thought makes me chuckle.
How so? My skin colour is very dark, virtually indistinguishable from an Arab yet I consider myself white (but my fraternal, pale skinned brother doesn’t consider me “white” even though I am). My skin colour is Fitzpatrick level IV. Many Jews are caucasian.
Not sure why everyone is piling on you here. You’ve specified your beliefs, following which a cascade of annoying, irrelevant Nazi terminology popped up coupled with name calling.
Shame I didn’t see this sooner. Not that I could have helped much but I would have said something like “hey, that’s inappropriate” or “knock it off please, let’s keep this civil”.
I can’t speak for others, but the remark of which I was particularly critical was BrickHead’s statement that Jews living in Germany were not German. This was, indeed, a major propaganda point of the Nazis, and one that they used to justify undermining the civil rights of German Jews and ultimately murdering them. Moreover, this idea is an age-old anti-Semitic canard, i.e., “the Jews among us aren’t loyal, they only care about their own.” It was used throughout the ages and is still used today in the U.S.
I did not suggest that BrickHead is some sort of “Jewish Nazi;” I did assert (and still assert) that he adopted an anti-Semitic trope that he might want to reconsider.
Interesting. I don’t cater towards viewing an individuals citizenship status as valid or not on the basis of religion or ethnicity. Otherwise the majority of Asian Americans wouldn’t be considered American and so on/so fourth.
Perhaps brickhead wasn’t differentiating between place of birth/ancestry and documented citizenship with a passport and all. One can easily be a citizen/permenant resident of a country without identifying as being of ethnic descent from a given country. I’m Australian, ethnically I’m Jewish. Those who ethnically descend from Aus consist of the aboriginal population and those of British descent who immigrated (penal colony) and took over Aus, terraforming our society into a secular one. I’d consider my citizenship to be Australian and I see no rationale as to why I shouldn’t have equitable rights to that of an Australian citizen. With regards to nationality I wouldn’t regard myself as being of Aussie heritage, perhaps brickhead’s comments have been misconstrued with the interpretation he is overlapping citizenship and ethnicity.
As a Jew living in Australia I am not Australian (heritage wise), though I am an Australian citizen. Regarding rights/civil liberties, this isn’t or shouldn’t be dictated by ethnicity, rather residential status is the status quo as to whether I qualify for our renowned universal healthcare, whether I’m afflicted by our draconian nanny state travel ban etc.
I’m sorry to hear this, may she rest in piece.
My grandmother overseas is currently on the brink (aged late 90’s). Due to harsh covid restrictions/the world most draconian secular travel restrictions (look up Aus travel ban and incarceration for leaving the country) I’ll presumably never be able to see her again, nor will I be able to attend the funeral. I’m gutted, very resentful towards our government and embarrassed to call myself an Australian at the moment.
So other than Aboriginals, there are no ethnic Aussies as those descended from the first whites are ethnically British (which is really several ethnic groups).
Jews had been living in Germany for centuries prior to Hitler’s rise to power (Hitler wasn’t even born in Germany). In fact, they were living there long before it was known as Germany. At what point could they be considered German? Never? That’s not how they felt but Americans like to exercise their privilege and tell other people how they should be identified.
Hispanic, even on government forms, is not a race, it is a culture. It is bizarre that they list a culture in with races as they aren’t mutually exclusive.
You have to understand race as we use it, isn’t a scientific classification.
There are so many inaccuracies in the “race” concept it’s ridiculous. For example, the US is mixed enough that white Americans and white Europeans show up very differently in studies for things like lactose tolerance.
More to the point of the thread, I don’t think most Filipinos consider themselves Asian either.
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It’s a collection of cultures and of people with various experiences.
A woke (always white) racial essentialist would probably address all of these people the same: “Hola Latinx people! I admire your culture so much! You’re muy fuerte! And…what’s the word…orgullo? We should all celebrate Cinco de Mayo together and eat some tamales like you do in Cub…Mexico!”
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The people in the bottom picture probably wouldn’t know what latino, let alone latinx, means.
I had a student from a Central American nation who couldn’t speak Spanish well; it wasn’t her first, or second language in spite of being considered Hispanic.
I should add that she spoke languages that were native to her place of birth.
I’m not trying to excise privilege. You’ve provided me with some valuable insight here that I will carry with me for future conversations
I’ve lived all over Texas, in California, in Illinois, in Indiana and have a ton of Hispanic friends. My first wife was Hispanic. All 5 of my sons are half-Hispanic. I don’t know a single one of them, from the youngest to the oldest, including the most liberal, who would ever use the word Latinx. Ever.
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That’s because it was invented by white liberals that don’t speak Spanish.
When you see their ideas on ridding Spanish of gender, it shows even further they have no understanding of the language. They want to change words from having o or a endings because you can’t have masculine and feminine words. They don’t know not every word ending in o is masculine or in a is feminine. They also don’t know two words can be spelled the same but for the final vowel, like puerto/puerta, caso/casa.
The irony is that they want to change it to something resembling English.
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The whole woke movement is incredibly parochial and US-centric. It’s comic elements are even more visible when they’re translated across the pond to the UK.
Macron for all his faults was correct to identify it as mental cancer.
This is from Kendi’s book. Nothing has changed in 115 years since Lenin very similar lines about Russian peasants.
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Reading that annoyed me. I’m Native. My dad is Native. His grandmother and her friends were important members of A.I.M. in the 1970s. We have our ideas of what racism is, and have had what we feel are racist experiences. I have never used the words “institutional racism” in a conversation, and I would bet my dad hasn’t even heard the term. And I would argue that Native Americans, more than any other minority group in the U.S., can claim to have suffered from such a thing.
If an “intellectual” would struggle to explain something that I supposedly should understand very well to me, then I would find it hard to consider him an authority on the topic, haha.
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