I prefer Adriana too as I’m a brunette kind of guy. And I guess she fits the American “latina” definition better (even though she said she has swiss heritage, I believe, among others).
But I wouldn’t say it’s a no contest. As far as I’m concerned, Gisele still has a shot.
Years ago I showed a Spanish film, as in made in Spain, to a class of mostly Puerto Rican students (i.e., Latinos), and once the movie started and a character started speaking (in Spanish) one kid said something to the effect of,“how does that white dude know Spanish?” In one scene a kid in the film referred to another as el moreno. The students in my class were asking where’s the moreno? They’re all white people.
I don’t, because it’s accurate, regardless of whether there is diversity in Asian people.
They are of Asian origin and race, and it doesn’t matter if some consider themselves Asian American or not. Their race is Asian and they reside in America.
My dog cannot consider anything, yet she’s still accurately called a dog and a dachshund. It doesn’t make a difference if she’s aware of these designations or not.
It is accurate to refer to a Russian, for example, as Slavic, white, and/or European, even if he has differences with other Slavs and different kinds of white people.
I’m a Jewish American. I’m Jewish and I reside in America, so that’s an accurate term. I can park myself anywhere in the world, speak any language, and practice any religion and I’ll be nothing other ethnically than Jewish. Sometimes in conversation about backgrounds I’ve said my mother was both in Cuba, has a Spanish surname, speaks Spanish, and is descended from Spanish Jews, to which some have asked, “Oh, you’re Cuban (or Spanish)? My response: “No, we’re not Spanish. We’re Jews that resided in Spain, Turkey, and Cuba.” And I’m not the slightest bit offended by someone’s misunderstanding.
If people want to get offended by such inoffensive mistakes or even by what’s accurate, they are free to waste their mental energy.
I might have little in common with Bukarin Jews or Mizrahi Jews. We’re still all correctly and broadly characterized as Jews, in the same way that any broad category like Germanic, Slavic, black, Asian, white, European, and so on are used. Some are racial categories, some are broad cultural-linguistic categories.
Please, stop.
What about Pushkin and his father and grandfather?
I think you misunderstand. Were the Germans, who were Jewish, and fought for Germany in WW1 not Germans? Did they not consider themselves German? They were disproportionately represented in combat units in WW1, to the Nazis’ dismay.
And speaking of Spanish, what exactly is Spanish? Is there a Spanish ethnicity?
Perhaps you can explain why I should stop using the term Asian for people of Asian origin and race. If your reason is convincing, I’ll stop. And if it’s convincing I’ll have to stop using the terms black and white, making it so that I cannot identify anyone by race.
I don’t know much about him.
That’s correct. They were not German. They might have been pro-German and loved Germany, and I’m sure they felt so, but they were not German. Likewise some of my Jewish relatives who resided in Poland and spoke Polish were not Polish.
Yes. The term Spaniard is used.
Again, if you convince me otherwise on anything I’ve said, I’ll correct myself. If you don’t, I’ll move on.
Going forward, if there is any mention of Nazis or Hitler in explanations, I will drop out of debate.
There is no Asian race just as there is no South American race.
A Russian poet whose great grandfather was from what would become Cameroon.
They were not German citizens? You can be American but they cannot be German?
No, it isn’t. Spain has many ethnic groups. Someone can be a Basque and a Spaniard.
If someone says he’s Spanish all that means is he is from Spain. You can’t tell race or ethnicity or even culture from Spanish.
You realize that this was the line pushed by the Nazis, right? In other words, it didn’t matter that many German Jews served in the military, spoke German at home, and were model citizens of Germany in every other respect; they were Jews, so they couldn’t be Germans.
Totally different. Polish Jews, for the most part, live totally apart from the rest of Polish society and spoke their own language (Yiddish). It’s understandable that they wouldn’t see themselves as Polish. But their situation was dramatically different than that of German Jews.
And intermarriage was common.
He was black. Pushkin’s grandfather, I mean.
There’s also a fascinating story about the “Nubian Guard” of the Russian Tsars in the last decades of the 19th century, consisting mostly of black Americans that deserted from US merchant ships.
They considered themselves patriotic Germans.
There’s no South American race but there is an Asian race, which is one of the three races of man.
Yes, they were citizens of Germany, but they weren’t ethnically German.
Spaniard is a broad term used.
I can tell race from Spanish considering Spaniards are white.
OK, I’m not convinced and that’s fine.
I don’t think you saw the edit to my post in which I’ve said that if going forward someone mentions Nazis to me I’ll bow out of conversation. See reductio ad Hitlerum, which you might have heard of.
In some ways, no, in some ways similar.
So Turks and Japanese are the same race?
That’s a different argument. And Germanic would probably be a better term than ethnically German since there is no singular German ethnicity.
Like this Spaniard?
I’m familiar with the term, and of course “These guys are Nazis” is thrown around with offensive carelessness in discussions these days. But in this case, you actually articulated a belief of the Nazis that they used to attempt to justify their persecution of German Jews. I don’t think I’m engaging in a “reductio ad Hitlerum” argument if I point out that you’ve adopted one of the Nazis’ actual talking points.
The “three races of man” pseudoscience falls apart in that vast stretch of land from the Black Sea all the way to Western China.
It’s a white supremacist talking point. It’s like a white Englishman saying a black Englishman can not really be English. Even though English is not a race or ethnicity as England has had many different peoples migrate/invade there; why would black people be any different in that regard? Even Hitler (oh no Hitler!) stated that Germans were not a pure people.
I wonder how his head would explode if he saw the French national team. Or even the German one.
It’s not a talking point. If I myself resided in Germany I wouldn’t become German. And I’d think this if even if Nazis never existed. I also didn’t state it to justify anything.
You have, I believe. I didn’t justify anything. And I didn’t adopt anything. Are you implying I refer to Nazi literature or speeches or policies for my reasoning—on anything?
Perhaps you don’t mean to be rude. But I’ve often taken the Nazi card in conversation as rude because of what I mentioned and that my own grandmother, great grandmother and a few other relatives had to emigrate from because of Nazis.
I’ve already seen it, quite some time ago. My head didn’t explode because I wasn’t surprised and I didn’t feel any emotion at all.
But are they French or people who happen to live in France?
