Basically he’s saying, a well planned cheatmeal increases fatloss, which can be evidently measured the next morning. I was wondering if their are other methods to tell without getting calipers done 2 days in a role (which would cost 80bucks).
I’m pretty anal about keeping a very clean diet but every two or three weeks I would inevitably have a cheat day. What would trigger the ‘cheat day’ would be just my body feeling exhausted and muscles not recovering very fast (sore for a long time). As well, and as Rocky2 has said, I had hit a weight loss plateau. At first I would feel like shit (as in guilty) but started to notice that the next morning I felt more lean. I thought it was all in my head but it happened a few times in a row, albeit unintentionally. I never got anything quantified though, I just saw in the mirror how I was definitely more vascular. I guess after repeating the process a few times I just knew it was ‘working’ so I didn’t really bother with measuring anything.
[quote]fivefeetoffury wrote:
I’m pretty anal about keeping a very clean diet but every two or three weeks I would inevitably have a cheat day. What would trigger the ‘cheat day’ would be just my body feeling exhausted and muscles not recovering very fast (sore for a long time). As well, and as Rocky2 has said, I had hit a weight loss plateau. At first I would feel like shit (as in guilty) but started to notice that the next morning I felt more lean. I thought it was all in my head but it happened a few times in a row, albeit unintentionally. I never got anything quantified though, I just saw in the mirror how I was definitely more vascular. I guess after repeating the process a few times I just knew it was ‘working’ so I didn’t really bother with measuring anything.[/quote]
Side note: you have a great midsection!
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Basically he’s saying, a well planned cheatmeal increases fatloss, which can be evidently measured the next morning. I was wondering if their are other methods to tell without getting calipers done 2 days in a role (which would cost 80bucks).
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I don’t see any logical reason why trying to “autoregulate” a cheat meal or refeed would be more beneficial than planning what you are going to eat and fitting the macronutrient/calorie content into your diet plan ahead of time or even just simply eating something you want to eat and then stopping.
For most people, caloric need does not fluctuate enough to warrant autoregulation. Trying to make a decision on whether or not to continue refeeding based on scale weight is inconsistent at best since different foods have different effects on hydration and water is going to be the VAST majority of any weight lost in the short time period Loliquin is talking about in that article. Even guys who base their entire fat loss paradigm around large structured refeeds (such as Lyle McDonald and Skip Hill) will tell you that it is impossible to judge the effectiveness of a refeed until several days later AT LEAST. The idea that a cheat meal somehow magically causes you to lose a measurable amount of fat in less than 12 hour’s time is totally absurd and shows a severe ignorance of how the human body actually works.
Sounds like someone grabbed the big buzzword lately and tried to apply it in a context where it had no merit.
Just tossing in some interesting ideas for discussion purposes. Theres no need to bust my balls over it.
A random refeed according to your body could have some merit. The analogy would be 5/3/1 to regular programs with predeteremined reps and %1rm. Eating more when you feel weak/muscles feels flat, it just seems intuitive.
I just wondered if others noticed some other physical telltale signs for the need of refeeds.
[quote]Mondy wrote:
Just tossing in some interesting ideas for discussion purposes. Theres no need to bust my balls over it.
A random refeed according to your body could have some merit. The analogy would be 5/3/1 to regular programs with predeteremined reps and %1rm. Eating more when you feel weak/muscles feels flat, it just seems intuitive.
I just wondered if others noticed some other physical telltale signs for the need of refeeds.
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This is not the way the human body works. I’m not busting your balls, I’m just saying it’s overcomplicating something that is fairly simple and ignores pretty basic aspects of physiology. The body and mind LIKE to overeat. It’s programmed into our psyche as a basic survival mechanism. You want to see autoregulated eating? That’s what 99.99% of Americans do and 60% of them are obese or overweight.
Here’s the problem with “autoregulated eating”. When I eat 1000 calories over my maintenance for a few days, I carry a lot of fluid. I mean, a solid 10 lbs of bloat from the extra carbs and salt. That extra water retention leads to a nice little spike in strength and I definitely feel fuller and leaner during those first few days of stuffing my face despite the massive overeating. Fuller, once again, from the extra water retention and glycogen storage, and leaner because I will have not yet gained enough fat during those first couple of days to visually offset the new fullness. This usually lasts 4-5 days before I start to hold enough subq water and fat to make a visual difference. Instinctively, I’ve consumed 5,000-7,000 calories over maintenance over those 5 days. Once I start to feel the effects of overeating, I have two choices, either drop down to a lower intake somewhere between maintenance and my high intake, or to drop to an intake below maintenance.
So, by eating “instinctively”, I’ve either kickstarted a period of maintenance or slight overeating with a period of massive overeating or I’ve interrupted a period of dieting with a prolonged derailment that will likely offset nearly a week of caloric restriction for most people.
You’re better off planning your refeeds and cheat meals either in terms of eating “x” amount of food or limiting yourself to a certain number of hours during which to refeed before resuming your normal dieting schedule.
“Yes, the conversion of T4 (relatively inactive thyroid hormone) into T3 (active one) is dependent in part on glucose availability. This is why I often use daily body temp reading on a diet to plan cheat meals. If the temp drops down more than 1 degree and stays there for 2 days, then on the second day we have a cheat.”
[quote]Mondy wrote:
Something I copied from Thib’s fatloss forum
“Yes, the conversion of T4 (relatively inactive thyroid hormone) into T3 (active one) is dependent in part on glucose availability. This is why I often use daily body temp reading on a diet to plan cheat meals. If the temp drops down more than 1 degree and stays there for 2 days, then on the second day we have a cheat.”
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…which is why people refeed on low carb diets in the first place. This says nothing about Loliquin’s claim that you somehow magically lose several lbs of fat overnight after a refeed.
Its great you helped break down the facts behind poliquins “logic.” Some of his stuff is awesome, some are just bogus. Sometimes, I get so confused I have no idea which is which.