That’s what I am saying though, you need your other hormones to steady before adjustments. Your other hormones also dictate how you feel therefore keeping them in flux by adjusting before you settle is not a good idea.
Sure I don’t disagree. but it’s much easier than waiting 6 weeks to reach peak levels and adjusting from there. Getting optimized happens faster becusse you reach peak levels within hours and the body starts adjusting faster. With injections you reach max steady state levels around 40 days. At this point you can see how your body reacts to the dose. Hope that explains what I’m rehung to say.
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@bkb333
Are you still taking Danazol? When are you planning to do labs again?
I have had a couple “good runs,” but nothing sustainable. Currently in a valley. I provided more detailed updates on this thread: Realistic TRT Recomp Progress - #66 by bkb333
Very interesting comments. Have you seen similar accounts from others? I’m drawn to subQ because of the convenience/comfort of it, and Crisler also said you get “more” access to T from that application method. Also, I only have 30g 1/2" needles right now – could I do IM with that, or would I need different needles?
Would you mind describing what the “low and slow approach of sub Q” entails – just slowly adapting to the T over time and not feeling it that quickly? I do really like the idea of feeling the T, like you described with IM.
i just tried to shoot it into my delts this week (twice i think) once with a one piece insulin needle, once with a 25G 5/8" needle … both times no issues and no pain or muscle soreness.
I only did this to try it based on comments here plus i havent “felt” the testosterone like other have described, including yourself… and i would like to
I think the HCG hit me harder than the test has ironically
I’m pretty sure he means with IM there is a quicker release to the body and then it slows down. With subq it’s a slow long release. With the quick release you get the feeling of the t hitting your blood and body. It’s hard to explain. I would have increased labido and this taste:feeling that would show up shortly after Im.
With subq I got none of that.
Lots.
There is an article on T nation also, it states stuff like “get 20% more using subQ” How exactly? Fat is less vascular than muscle, by far. So your only getting a slower absorption rate. And its “easier” I guess. That size needle you described would be fine for shallow IM.
Low and slow, meaning, it slowly absorbs, you don’t get that “peak” with IM. I just never “felt” sub Q. I FEEL IM
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FYI i get that feeling from the cream. I apply to the boys and about 1 hour later I feel noticeably better for a few hours daily. Night time app to. I hope the effect stays but it probably won’t.
That sounds terrible.
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Haha it’s not bad. The amount you apply is like a dimes volume. Takes ten seconds like injection but without the injecting.
Thanks for the reply! Would 27G, 1/2" be better for IM? My doctor recommended 27G, 5/8” but I don’t see that anywhere. And is shallow IM inferior to straight up IM in any way?
This is actually what I use. I could not find 27g 5/8 either. Not sure they exist.
I don’t think its inferior to deep IM. Going shallow now, IF there ends up being any scar tissue, ill use a longer needle to get past it, IF that time comes…
Right now I alternate between quads and deltoids.
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I am planning on applying to the delts. Have you found it’s easy enough? I’ve read mixed reviews about results of injecting into the quads – some say not to do it. I think I’d personally only do delts or glutes.
Yes I am. This has been my first week taking it – nothing noticeable so far, though I don’t know if I’ll really feel anything given my low dose (25mg EOD). Do you suspect I’d eventually feel a difference? I guess that’s probably impossible to know. My next labs will be in 6 weeks.
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Just keep taking it … look at your labs, and compare to your feelings. Use the labs to argue for a higher dose if needed.
Thanks, man. Will do! The reason my dose is so low, FWIW, is fertility concerns. Do you have any concern about that? I would ramp it up to 50-100 ED, probably, if that weren’t an issue. I’ve also heard Danazol isn’t something you stay on for the long-term, more of a short-term solution – any idea about that?
Remember, I am not a doctor.
Most of the studies you are referring to are on women for PCOS … where the lowest dose is 400 … increasing to over 800.
Again, another study of women HERE:
We conclude that, despite a relatively high incidence of adverse reactions, danazol has proven to be remarkably safe over the long-term in this group of patients.
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Wow, that is really encouraging to read! Thanks for sharing.
I still get some pain every now and then. Sometimes they are painless. Its not a big deal when It hurts a little bit.