[quote]Edders wrote:
DS 007 wrote:
After seeing the buring interest that Edders has shown in my posts I took a few moments to read through his contribution to this thread. The fact that he thinks he’s being some kind of revoutionary for not going along with the ‘group think’ is one of the funniest things I’ve seen a while. Mainly because the bone of contention seems to be if this guys is a fat, uncoordinated slob or not.
A debate truly worth all of our best arguments. Way to not run with the crowd, Edders. Never let them fence you in, brother. You’re like a modern day Che Guevara!
First of all the word is “revolutionary.” Maybe you should consider going back to school for your GED. Secondly, that’s not at all what I was attempting to be. One can have a dissenting opinion and not be a revolutionary. However, some cannot accept a dissenting opinion when they have limited intelligence.
Thirdly, you’re a bone headed idiot. You again have missed the point of my post. You seem to be an Internet know it all, and in reality you know nothing. Now go lift weights like a good muscle head and never ever try to look beyond the obvious for an answer.
One more final point (until your next idiotic post) the word you attempted to spell is “burning” as in BURNED
[quote]FamilyMan wrote:
Whew! I have always wondered what that would look like. Being one to think ahead, I think about where I might fall when I go under a heavy load. “Crumple” like a straw man would be a good description. At least he didn’t hit his head on the bar.
I have never fallen on a heavy squat, but the possibility of a fall like this is the reason my wife bought a power rack with safety bars for me.[/quote]
So to go back vaguely on-topic from the flamefest…
As a relatively new squatter, I am curious as to whether anyone has heard of injuries like this in a power rack. Is there some disadvantage to a decent power rack vs just having some big guys to spot? I’m sure you can get hurt in a rack as well as without one, but I am interested in hearing a little more about pros and cons of rack vs. big spotter guys.
[quote]polluted wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:
Whew! I have always wondered what that would look like. Being one to think ahead, I think about where I might fall when I go under a heavy load. “Crumple” like a straw man would be a good description. At least he didn’t hit his head on the bar.
I have never fallen on a heavy squat, but the possibility of a fall like this is the reason my wife bought a power rack with safety bars for me.
So to go back vaguely on-topic from the flamefest…
As a relatively new squatter, I am curious as to whether anyone has heard of injuries like this in a power rack. Is there some disadvantage to a decent power rack vs just having some big guys to spot? I’m sure you can get hurt in a rack as well as without one, but I am interested in hearing a little more about pros and cons of rack vs. big spotter guys.
Thanks.
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Oh hell yes same thing could have happend in a rack anyday bro.
Both are good spotter/rack the bonus of the rack is well being able to lift alone and also even if you have spotter the pins are there to protect you if the muck up. Out of he rack well you dont have to worry about limited movement you just back and go.
Id say in the end if you want to be the safest spotters and rack but still this will just aid in the case something like this does happen. Youd still be smashed but you would have the safety of knowing if the spotters dont get the bar off the pins will stop the bar from further crushing you.
Tough SOB to smile and give a “thumbs up” with those injuries. I am not a powerlifter, but IMO he seemed to have a very wide stance. I was always taught to maintain a squatting stance that is slightly wider than your shoulder width. His stance seems far too wide. It would seem that with a very wide stance, you will put greater stress on your knees. Kind of like a “buckling effect” from the compressive forces of the weight.
Also the piece of shit spotter with the blue t-shirt should be shot. He is holding his hands clearly too far from the weight, as if he is going to catch that kind of poundage. Talk about a bad day at the gym. It’s too bad this had to happen.
[quote]polluted wrote:
So to go back vaguely on-topic from the flamefest…
As a relatively new squatter, I am curious as to whether anyone has heard of injuries like this in a power rack. Is there some disadvantage to a decent power rack vs just having some big guys to spot? I’m sure you can get hurt in a rack as well as without one, but I am interested in hearing a little more about pros and cons of rack vs. big spotter guys.
Thanks.
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An advantage of spotters over a power rack is that if you miss a lift you don’t then have to safely get the weight all the way down to slightly below your lowest squat position. I’ve injured my back before when I had to bin a squat and had to get the weight all the way back down to the racks (may sound a bit stupid, but when you’ve just missed a max effort and you’ve lost your balance forward a little, it’s pretty hard to carefully set the weight down!).
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
Tough SOB to smile and give a “thumbs up” with those injuries. I am not a powerlifter, but IMO he seemed to have a very wide stance. I was always taught to maintain a squatting stance that is slightly wider than your shoulder width. His stance seems far too wide. It would seem that with a very wide stance, you will put greater stress on your knees. Kind of like a “buckling effect” from the compressive forces of the weight.
Also the piece of shit spotter with the blue t-shirt should be shot. He is holding his hands clearly too far from the weight, as if he is going to catch that kind of poundage. Talk about a bad day at the gym. It’s too bad this had to happen.[/quote]
ANd how long have you been squatting exactly?? Do you not think he went too deep as well?
ANd how long have you been squatting exactly?? Do you not think he went too deep as well?
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For quite a few years. I do go to (ATG) with lighter weight when I start my squat session and finish at parallel. I realize powerlifters squat with a wide stance, but his appeared even wider than normal. His injury occurred without even starting his downward movement. I was just trying to state that it would seem that the wider the stance, the more stress would be put on the leg and knee.
Especially when setting your stance, before the actual movement. I know very little about powerlifting, so that is why I stated that this was “my opinion”, as opposed to fact. I would also not feel comfortable squatting with heavy boots. I would rather have more movement in my ankles. What is your opinion on the cause of his injury?
[quote]Hanley wrote:
I think it was caused by shit happening. Play around with weights that heavy for long enough and eventually you’re gonna pick up a serious injury.
It’s the price we pay.
His stance is what I would call moderately wide. Look at any WPO video and they go MUCH wider.[/quote]
I checked out some video clips of WPO as was suggested by Grey Area and yourself. I was very surprised at how wide the squat stances can get. I guess I know even less than I thought about powerlifting. I guess my theory of his injury is flawed at best. Is the only reason for the wide stance a shorter lift distance?
You’re probably thinking IPF style squats (which as you mentioned are relatively narrow) ,but in the WPO and other heavily geared feds, as well as shortening the distance, wide stance allows them to sit back more and utilise their P-chain better, they also het a better carryover from their gear squatting that way.
The common belief seems to be that there’s actually less stress on the knees squatting this way because the hamstrings are brought into play more, but obviously that comes at the expense of a harder beating on the hips!
[quote]Hanley wrote:
You’re probably thinking IPF style squats (which as you mentioned are relatively narrow) ,but in the WPO and other heavily geared feds, as well as shortening the distance, wide stance allows them to sit back more and utilise their P-chain better, they also het a better carryover from their gear squatting that way.
The common belief seems to be that there’s actually less stress on the knees squatting this way because the hamstrings are brought into play more, but obviously that comes at the expense of a harder beating on the hips!