[quote]Damici wrote:
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Damici, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but some of it is buying into the Democratic spin.
The steel tariff was a short term thing to make a point. It was no more than saber rattling. This is an unfair criticism. We have been playing fair far too long when many others are cheating.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Spending will continue to rise. It is a question of slowing the rate of increase. I cannot imagine true spending cuts.
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At some point a lot of these programs that the government does need to be cut way back or eliminated. If this happened there is no reason spending would not go down. Of coarse no politician will ever do that. I think term limits would be a good start, get the career people out of there and keep some fresh blood in.
I agree with Damici. What happened to those types of Republicans?
Is it just me, or does some of this rhetoric sound like Democrats trying to disguise themselves as Replicas (probably because you’re more embarrassed by the Dem party than the Rep party)?
I only partially agree with what Damici (sp?) is saying. Which means that it’s hard to say which of us is a true Republican. I always liked the Rep party because they seem to be the party that believes in individual responsibility.
I’m only going to add one thing to this. I don’t think the Republican party wants to outlaw abortion. The wild-eyed, ultra-Christians might want that, but the Republican party doesn’t stand for that. The stance is to end “senseless” abortions. Currently, there are less than 5% of abortions that are for health, incest, or rape reason. The other 95%+ is just personal. That is where the Republican party should make a stand.
I really don’t have time or desired to debate the rest, but there are some obvious fundamental differences between those of us who may consider ourselves Republicans.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Is it just me, or does some of this rhetoric sound like Democrats trying to disguise themselves as Replicas (probably because you’re more embarrassed by the Dem party than the Rep party)?
I only partially agree with what Damici (sp?) is saying. Which means that it’s hard to say which of us is a true Republican. I always liked the Rep party because they seem to be the party that believes in individual responsibility.
I’m only going to add one thing to this. I don’t think the Republican party wants to outlaw abortion. The wild-eyed, ultra-Christians might want that, but the Republican party doesn’t stand for that. The stance is to end “senseless” abortions. Currently, there are less than 5% of abortions that are for health, incest, or rape reason. The other 95%+ is just personal. That is where the Republican party should make a stand.
I really don’t have time or desired to debate the rest, but there are some obvious fundamental differences between those of us who may consider ourselves Republicans.[/quote]
For the record, I don’t care if anyone considers me a “true Republican” or not. I am loyal to my beliefs and philosophies, not to any party line. Speaking of which, the official Republican Party platform DOES INDEED call for an overturning of Roe vs. Wade. And if you think that outlawing all abortions other than those regarding rape, incest and the health of the mother (i.e. outlawing 95% of them) wouldn’t cause the complete shit-storm in this country that I was talking about, think harder about it. Like I said, it’s NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS what someone else does. If you think it’s wrong for them to have an abortion, let God sort 'em out. That’s their business.
[quote]Damici wrote:
Like I said, it’s NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS what someone else does. If you think it’s wrong for them to have an abortion, let God sort 'em out. That’s their business.[/quote]
Your position is that it is none of our business? OK, then I suppose that if someone was owning slaves from third-world countries, we should just turn a blind eye? It’s called human rights/dignity (whatever you want to call it), and it IS your business IF you are compasionate toward the human race. However, it is YOUR choice to behave as you wish and keep to yourself if you like.
Agree to disagree?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Damici wrote:
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Damici, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but some of it is buying into the Democratic spin.
The steel tariff was a short term thing to make a point. It was no more than saber rattling. This is an unfair criticism. We have been playing fair far too long when many others are cheating.[/quote]
That would be true if this was a one time tariff.
What about the tariffs we put on Canadian Lumber?
Google it and get back to me…
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Damici wrote:
Like I said, it’s NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS what someone else does. If you think it’s wrong for them to have an abortion, let God sort 'em out. That’s their business.
Your position is that it is none of our business? OK, then I suppose that if someone was owning slaves from third-world countries, we should just turn a blind eye? It’s called human rights/dignity (whatever you want to call it), and it IS your business IF you are compasionate toward the human race. However, it is YOUR choice to behave as you wish and keep to yourself if you like.
Agree to disagree?[/quote]
Busted arguement (busted off at the hinges).
Abortion is legal in the US and slavery is not.
Nice try.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I agree with Damici. What happened to those types of Republicans?[/quote]
That type of Republican sounds a lot like Rudi on many points.
As to abortion I think it is a hot issue for Democrats to fight for since much of the party constituency stands for it. Personally I find it reprehensible. I don’t agree with the statement that a shit storm would occur if we banned it. Except for a few radical feminists nobody is really “pro-abortion”. By that I mean nobody thinks abortion is a great idea and that all women should have one. It’s more of an option they are trying to preserve.
I personally think that the idealogy of abortion on demand has brainwashed even many Republicans. It’s never been about abortion it’s about control.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I agree with Damici. What happened to those types of Republicans?[/quote]
They never existed just like Democrats that today claim to be fiscally responsible or claim they would stay our of our personal lives are full of it!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Is it just me, or does some of this rhetoric sound like Democrats trying to disguise themselves as Replicas (probably because you’re more embarrassed by the Dem party than the Rep party)?[/quote]
That really cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh! ! !
To sit through these years of disaster after disaster after disaster and then assume that the democrats are somehow more embarrassed by the Dem party than by the Rep party. Really man!
On the other hand, a true Republican is not easily embarassed.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Your position is that it is none of our business? OK, then I suppose that if someone was owning slaves from third-world countries, we should just turn a blind eye? It’s called human rights/dignity (whatever you want to call it), and it IS your business IF you are compasionate toward the human race. However, it is YOUR choice to behave as you wish and keep to yourself if you like.
Agree to disagree?[/quote]
Not that “compasionate conservative” crap again? It simply won’t fly anymore. You mean “compasionate” for Shiavo (spelling?) but hey if they’re thousands of black people floating around, we conveniently look the other way?
Like I said before, the Republicans are not easily embarrassed.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
To sit through these years of disaster after disaster after disaster and then assume that the democrats are somehow more embarrassed by the Dem party than by the Rep party. Really man!
On the other hand, a true Republican is not easily embarassed.
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The thing is, these disasters you talk about must only be disasters in the eyes of the George Soros/MoveOn.org/ABB crowd. For proof I offer loss after loss after loss and by wider and wider and wider margins by the democrats.
The left is losing. The ballot box proves it, and will continue to prove it for the forseeable future.
Say what you want - but the only evidence that matters suggests that you and all your left-wing cohorts are getting a shorter and shorter end of the rope.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
… but hey if they’re thousands of black people floating around, we conveniently look the other way?
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Last I looked the Dems were in charge in LA and made most of the poor decisions.
These silly rants have no bearing on the discussion.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
… but hey if they’re thousands of black people floating around, we conveniently look the other way?
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Last I looked the Dems were in charge in LA and made most of the poor decisions.
These silly rants have no bearing on the discussion. [/quote]
With that logic, then the entire country should have stayed out of the Terri Schiavo incident. They didn’t.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Busted arguement (busted off at the hinges).
Abortion is legal in the US and slavery is not.
Nice try.[/quote]
Free your mind and try to think “outside of the box”. It’s quite liberating. Abortion wasn’t always legal. Slavery was legal at one time. Think, think, think. Damn, even Pooh Bear has a “Thoughtful Spot”. (Yes, I have kids…)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
… but hey if they’re thousands of black people floating around, we conveniently look the other way?
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Last I looked the Dems were in charge in LA and made most of the poor decisions.
These silly rants have no bearing on the discussion.
With that logic, then the entire country should have stayed out of the Terri Schiavo incident. They didn’t. [/quote]
I don’t understand what Terri Schiavo has to do with Katrina and New Orleans.
In the Schiavo case it was a real debate over how intrusive government should be into the lives of people and whether her husband was really acting as her guardian or if he was just trying to get rid of her.
Blaming Hurricane Katrina on Republicans is moronic. Clearly the state, local and federal government did not respond as well as we would have liked although I don’t think it was for political reasons as some like to insinuate, they were just overwhelmed.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
… but hey if they’re thousands of black people floating around, we conveniently look the other way?
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Last I looked the Dems were in charge in LA and made most of the poor decisions.
These silly rants have no bearing on the discussion.
With that logic, then the entire country should have stayed out of the Terri Schiavo incident. They didn’t.
I don’t understand what Terri Schiavo has to do with Katrina and New Orleans.
In the Schiavo case it was a real debate over how intrusive government should be into the lives of people and whether her husband was really acting as her guardian or if he was just trying to get rid of her.
Blaming Hurricane Katrina on Republicans is moronic. Clearly the state, local and federal government did not respond as well as we would have liked although I don’t think it was for political reasons as some like to insinuate, they were just overwhelmed.
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I think you miss the point attempting to be made. I am not blaming “republicans” for Katrina. It was noticed that there seems to be such caring for abortioned fetuses, yet an apparent, “clean up your own mess” attitude when it comes to Katrina victims. It is rather apparent, whether you admit it or not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It was noticed that there seems to be such caring for abortioned fetuses, yet an apparent, “clean up your own mess” attitude when it comes to Katrina victims. It is rather apparent, whether you admit it or not.[/quote]
Are Katrina “victims” helpless? Come on, that comparison is a stretch. Besides, where are you getting the “clean up your own mess” attitude? I’d be curious to see, as far as party line goes, who is donating and helping these Katrina “victims”. I think it would be interesting to see what states/cities are opening their homes to these folks as well. What’s that? Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas… Aren’t those traditionally Republican leaning states? I got a dollar that says there is more “Republican” money than “Democratic” money being donated to the relief efforts. (Just a dollar, 'cause I don’t really know ~ just a guess.)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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I think you miss the point attempting to be made. I am not blaming “republicans” for Katrina. It was noticed that there seems to be such caring for abortioned fetuses, yet an apparent, “clean up your own mess” attitude when it comes to Katrina victims. It is rather apparent, whether you admit it or not.[/quote]
I don’t think it is a clean up your mess attitude. Bush already pledged the government woud foot the bill or clean up regardless of the cost.
I don’t know what more he can do. If he had a cure for cancer some people would wonder why he hadn’t cured AIDS.
There is a backlash against the idiots that shot at rescue workers, looters and other lowlifes as well Al Sharpton and Kanye West that seem to try to make everything about race.
It wasn’t you that originally brought up NO, but I would rather bring this back to the original topic.