Off topic but funny.
red04, you are on the money. When [quote]DNA tests carried out after the operation indicated with “99.9%” certainty that the man shot dead was Osama Bin Laden[/quote] isn’t good enough for you, you’re just being a dick. On the other hand, there’s a .1% chance that it’s just teh ObamaIlluminatiEnronInsideJerbBlood4Oilz
Being skeptical doesn’t automatically = conspiracy theorist.
You sound angry about the fact that nobody paid specific attention to your posts and choose not to believe everything they read or hear.
Fact of the matter is that the news is not 100% free from manipulation and a bit of skepticism is probably a good idea.
But UMAD, so I hope you find a way to deal with that.
[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Off topic but funny.
LMFAO!!
Fox on Trump’s head!
I haven’t been keeping up on this much; but it does seem like convenient timing on Obama’s part to release the news. Did anyone see a good shot of his body and face before the dumped him?
Also, quoting that there is DNA evidence is not proof of anything and if you think it is, I’m sorry. Anyone can put pen to paper or use photoshop.
I hope this is used as a reason to back out of war, considering that we, as the citizens , will probably never know for sure what’s really going on at the top. The actions the information is used as an excuse for will be more important in history than the information itself (true or false).
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I haven’t been keeping up on this much; but it does seem like convenient timing on Obama’s part to release the news.[/quote]
At first glance, yes. But with this kind of informational “investment”, he’d be better off with his timing by using it as an October Surprise.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I haven’t been keeping up on this much; but it does seem like convenient timing on Obama’s part to release the news. Did anyone see a good shot of his body and face before the dumped him?
Also, quoting that there is DNA evidence is not proof of anything and if you think it is, I’m sorry. Anyone can put pen to paper or use photoshop.
I hope this is used as a reason to back out of war, considering that we, as the citizens , will probably never know for sure what’s really going on at the top. The actions the information is used as an excuse for will be more important in history than the information itself (true or false).[/quote]
I hear Hitler lived until 1976. That whole death thing was just conjured up.
Retards…[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I strongly hope/suspect the information is right, but you and I would be lying if we said we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt anything about Osama’s death. As I said, what’s more important is what’s done with the information.
Either that or you just don’t know what “knowing for sure” means; but that’s another thread entirely. Calling someone a retard for questioning television and media while also not proposing that they know what’s up is a clear mis-use of the word.
Iow umad.
lol
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
This is a major, major victory, [/quote]
You’re too intelligent to believe this. This was revenge, which of course is sweet. It was justice. But it’s not a “victory” by any measure of the word. It’s not huge from a strategic standpoint. He was reduced to a man on the run, living in the mountains and otherwise being sheltered. He was not the threat. The organization he spawned, and others like it, are the threat - and they still very much exist. Killing Osama is symbolic at best. There has been no ground gained here. [/quote]
You’re too intelligent to not believe this. This is the most anticipated death since Stalin or Hitler. This is a HUGE victory for the U.S., it’s just not the huge, damaging blow to al Qaeda that it would have been had bin Laden been active in their daily operations. Not all victories are measured in terms of their strategic impact.[/quote]
It’s symbolic at best. Won’t stop another terrorist attack. Isn’t that what you should be interested in? Is the world a safer place without him? I say it hasn’t changed at all. It’s nothing more than symbolic.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I haven’t been keeping up on this much; but it does seem like convenient timing on Obama’s part to release the news. Did anyone see a good shot of his body and face before the dumped him?
Also, quoting that there is DNA evidence is not proof of anything and if you think it is, I’m sorry. Anyone can put pen to paper or use photoshop.
I hope this is used as a reason to back out of war, considering that we, as the citizens , will probably never know for sure what’s really going on at the top. The actions the information is used as an excuse for will be more important in history than the information itself (true or false).[/quote]
I hear Hitler lived until 1976. That whole death thing was just conjured up.
Retards…[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I strongly hope/suspect the information is right, but you and I would be lying if we said we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt anything about Osama’s death. As I said, what’s more important is what’s done with the information.
Either that or you just don’t know what “knowing for sure” means; but that’s another thread entirely. Calling someone a retard for questioning television and media while also not proposing that they know what’s up is a clear mis-use of the word.
Iow umad.[/quote]
Nowhere in any of my posts have I said anything about ‘beyond a shadow of a doubt’ ‘100% certain’ or ‘know for sure.’ The reason I made my Alien analogy is that it’s actually the other people stating things like ‘it’s widely accepted that Osama has been dead since 2002.’ I am not the person here ‘taking it on faith’ with no substantial evidence to my comments.
There’s a difference between healthy skepticism and some sort of belief that the government is out to get us all.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
just to throw this into the mix too, a quote by MLK jr.
I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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What does that guy know? What a piece of shit he must have been. He probably made that up on the spot.
Also to Boner745 I’ve already answered like fifteen questions that you’ve asked me about my dick. It’s really starting to get weird.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
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Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
Then this would be like you offering your opinion on what it’s like to be 275lbs at 8% bf, when you’re actually 150lbs and skinnyfat. You just haven’t experienced it. You saw it on TV, you read it in a book, you didn’t LIVE IT.
When you say people shouldn’t be happy that a murderer who killed their loved one was killed, you’re basically devaluing their (justified, IMO) opinion.
[quote]
I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
All I can say is that I truly feel that if someone killed a loved one, I would very much want them to be punished. I would want them brought to justice, and possibly even killed. I agree with all of that. ut can’t see it making me happy. I can’t ever see anybody’s death making me want to smile and throw a party.[/quote]
Do you not know your opinion? Or is your opinion that you’d want them to be served justice? Because for those of us who were directly affected by 9/11, the death of Osama is just that.[/quote]
I think everyone views it as justice. I just don’t view it as a pleasant event. More of a necessary evil.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does. No I haven’t been there, no I haven’t lost anyone, and no I wasn’t directly affected by it, and I freely admit that. I don’t think I’ve said anything disrespectful to anybody, and the people who are acting like I am somehow saying he was a good guy, or that he didn’t deserve to die, are being ignorant. I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
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Then why are you surprised by the type of responses you’re getting from people that were there or were directly affected.
I’ve been reading facebook posts like your previous comments all day. I worked a 1 minute walk from the NYSE, 6 blocks from the WTC. None of my friends or family luckily died that day, but I did have a lifelong friend who worked in the building and barely escaped. I returned to a desk covered with soot and ash and had to breathe in whatever toxic shit was in the air for months. For those that worked in the area, you know that neighborhood smelt smokey and toxic for over a month. Coworkers lost friends and entire office we did business with was wiped out. (not talking about the financial consequence either, these were people we had a personal relationship with)
So yeah when I read a facebook post that says “Does it really make difference?” it pisses me off and I think of how big if a dickhead the person who posted it is. To be honest, I felt the same way reading your posts.
Here’s the worst fuckin post of the day:
"… it seems fishy to me too. Makes u think that obama is just part of the whole thing, almost like a ploy, he himselfcould be part of the whole terroristic plot. But u really r going to bury him at sea withing 24 hrs bc of his religion?? When we have been lookingfor him for 10yrs?! That is just a lil crazy. Whatever who the hell knows?! They can tell the people anything. "
Come on man, how fucking retarded is that?[/quote]
I’m not surprised by anything with some of the people on here any more. I’m just a little surprised that so many people can get off to a man getting shot in the head. Not my cup of tea I guess.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I didn’t launch a personal attack on anybody, so I don’t think you should take personal offense to my opinions. However, you are entitled to feel whatever you want.[/quote]
You didnt attack anyone explicitly but you projected your self righteous image onto to everyone when you said that you dont see how ANYONE can be happy about this.
And there you go doing it again telling some explicitly how they should respond emotionally to something you said. And to top if off you’ve even ALLOWED him to feel however he wants.
Thank God you allowed him to feel how he wants. You are truly are a generous little tyke [/quote]
All you have done is misinterpret my meaning intentionally. Nobody who is attempting to be logical and rational would read my post and think “wow, is that guy really commanding people’s feelings?” I didn’t tell him to do anything, I stated the FACT that he can choose to react in whatever way he wants. You, I, and everybody else with a functional brain knows exactly what I meant. You are just looking for a fight. You’re looking for something to pick at, even if it means obviously twisting my words. I told him I respected his right to be offended by anything I said, even if I don’t think he should be. Don’t be stupid about it puffy chest.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I haven’t been keeping up on this much; but it does seem like convenient timing on Obama’s part to release the news. Did anyone see a good shot of his body and face before the dumped him?
Also, quoting that there is DNA evidence is not proof of anything and if you think it is, I’m sorry. Anyone can put pen to paper or use photoshop.
I hope this is used as a reason to back out of war, considering that we, as the citizens , will probably never know for sure what’s really going on at the top. The actions the information is used as an excuse for will be more important in history than the information itself (true or false).[/quote]
I hear Hitler lived until 1976. That whole death thing was just conjured up.
Retards…[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I strongly hope/suspect the information is right, but you and I would be lying if we said we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt anything about Osama’s death. As I said, what’s more important is what’s done with the information.
Either that or you just don’t know what “knowing for sure” means; but that’s another thread entirely. Calling someone a retard for questioning television and media while also not proposing that they know what’s up is a clear mis-use of the word.
Iow umad.[/quote]
Haha, I like this.
Just like you, I hope the info is right.
While a part of me is still sceptical about the whole thing, I’m not usually gullible,(could’ve been his double or cousin in that house, not him!) the other is thinking that Obama would not risk ‘lying’ to the world.
Think about this, if a video of OBL reassuring his followers that he’s still alive and well surfaced in the near future, Obama will be in deep shit and he and the American Army and Intell will be the laughing stock of the world. They had to be 100%sure that it was Bin Laden in that compound.
Yet, I wish they had a picture of his dead body, no matter how bloody it is. Damn, they filmed the hanging of Saddam, ffs! Why not do the same with OBL’s body? Or maybe was it too much to clean his bloodied face, take a pic or film it? A picture of a dead OBL will surely scare the shit out of his followers. I see it as a stronger warning than reports of said killing.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
There’s a difference between healthy skepticism and some sort of belief that the government is out to get us all.[/quote]
Exactly.
I’m a journalist… nobody is more skeptical of the government than I. But to release this information if it wasn’t deadly accurate would be dangerous for the country and could provide a momentous boost to Al Queda if it was proved wrong.
But this tin foil hat bullshit that people have is just obscene. None of you questioned shit when we invaded Iraq but now, all of a sudden, we question whether the fucking sky is blue.
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Hey now, please don’t make assumptions about what I personally did or didn’t question or who I think is out to get us. I think the govnment is a business which obviously does benefit us quite a bit. If we didn’t think so, we all have the freedom to move. I think the American goverenment is alright and for the purposes of what I want to do with my life, serves me well. If you read what I wrote, you’ll see that I didn’t state anything anti-government, I simply said that I’m curious what will happen next. I didn’t even imply that what would happen next would be bad, all i said was that it will matter more than news of the death. I’m sure you can agree with that.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
[/quote]
Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
Then this would be like you offering your opinion on what it’s like to be 275lbs at 8% bf, when you’re actually 150lbs and skinnyfat. You just haven’t experienced it. You saw it on TV, you read it in a book, you didn’t LIVE IT.
When you say people shouldn’t be happy that a murderer who killed their loved one was killed, you’re basically devaluing their (justified, IMO) opinion.
[quote]
I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
All I can say is that I truly feel that if someone killed a loved one, I would very much want them to be punished. I would want them brought to justice, and possibly even killed. I agree with all of that. ut can’t see it making me happy. I can’t ever see anybody’s death making me want to smile and throw a party.[/quote]
Do you not know your opinion? Or is your opinion that you’d want them to be served justice? Because for those of us who were directly affected by 9/11, the death of Osama is just that.[/quote]
I think everyone views it as justice. I just don’t view it as a pleasant event. More of a necessary evil.[/quote]
Like I said before, you just don’t get it. You just don’t.
What I suggest you do is think about all of the parents who buried their children because of that day. Think of how many kids grew up with out a parent because of that day. Some kids who lost parents that day were too young to even have a memory of said lost parent. Think of how many people have spent YEARS in therapy because of some of the stuff they saw that day. Think of how many people spent DAYS waiting, hopeful, that their loved one would walk through the front door again. Think of how many had to make a very quick decision to either jump to their death, or burn to their death. Think of how many phone calls were made that morning for the SOLE reason to hear a loved ones voice that were never answered. Even worse, think about how many people were able to get in contact with their familes, tell them they would be home later, only to never be able to fulfil that promise.
Think about the last thing you said to each of your parents. Would you be happy if those words were the last words you were EVER able tell them?
You’ve yet to experience ANYTHING that will invoke as much emotion as what 9/11 did to THOUSANDS of people in ONE INSTANT. You just can’t relate.
You should visit ground zero one day. I’d be willing to bet your whole outlook on the matter will change very quickly.
The fact that you aren’t happy that he’s dead is fine. The fact that you don’t see how someone COULD be happy that he’s dead? That’s fucking ridiculous.
You really do sound like a naive young person who’s lived a very sheltered life. I suggest you do your best to change that.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I think everyone views it as justice. I just don’t view it as a pleasant event. More of a necessary evil.[/quote]
Life isn’t always a pleasant event. Sooner or later you gotta accept that. Justice=necessary evil=however the fuck you wanna define doing what needs to be done. You could also say killing animals so we can cook and eat them is a necessary evil, but you won’t see me flinching before I eat another burger. I’ve accepted that it’s beneficial, therefore I’m not squeamish about it. I thought it was funny how my sister was grossed out at the 2 pigs we raised, killed, gutted, and hung on the pool deck to bleed out, so we could have them for food. Raise and butcher an animal if you want to eat it. Kill murderers if you want to be rid of them. Simple as that. It’s life, and it’s happening.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
[/quote]
Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
Then this would be like you offering your opinion on what it’s like to be 275lbs at 8% bf, when you’re actually 150lbs and skinnyfat. You just haven’t experienced it. You saw it on TV, you read it in a book, you didn’t LIVE IT.
When you say people shouldn’t be happy that a murderer who killed their loved one was killed, you’re basically devaluing their (justified, IMO) opinion.
[quote]
I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
All I can say is that I truly feel that if someone killed a loved one, I would very much want them to be punished. I would want them brought to justice, and possibly even killed. I agree with all of that. ut can’t see it making me happy. I can’t ever see anybody’s death making me want to smile and throw a party.[/quote]
Do you not know your opinion? Or is your opinion that you’d want them to be served justice? Because for those of us who were directly affected by 9/11, the death of Osama is just that.[/quote]
I think everyone views it as justice. I just don’t view it as a pleasant event. More of a necessary evil.[/quote]
Like I said before, you just don’t get it. You just don’t.
What I suggest you do is think about all of the parents who buried their children because of that day. Think of how many kids grew up with out a parent because of that day. Some kids who lost parents that day were too young to even have a memory of said lost parent. Think of how many people have spent YEARS in therapy because of some of the stuff they saw that day. Think of how many people spent DAYS waiting, hopeful, that their loved one would walk through the front door again. Think of how many had to make a very quick decision to either jump to their death, or burn to their death. Think of how many phone calls were made that morning for the SOLE reason to hear a loved ones voice that were never answered. Even worse, think about how many people were able to get in contact with their familes, tell them they would be home later, only to never be able to fulfil that promise.
Think about the last thing you said to each of your parents. Would you be happy if those words were the last words you were EVER able tell them?
You’ve yet to experience ANYTHING that will invoke as much emotion as what 9/11 did to THOUSANDS of people in ONE INSTANT. You just can’t relate.
You should visit ground zero one day. I’d be willing to bet your whole outlook on the matter will change very quickly.
The fact that you aren’t happy that he’s dead is fine. The fact that you don’t see how someone COULD be happy that he’s dead? That’s fucking ridiculous.
You really do sound like a naive young person who’s lived a very sheltered life. I suggest you do your best to change that.[/quote]
Well, you’re entitled to your opinion (Before Bonny712 swoops in to comment on how I have granted permission to have an opinion, I’m simply stating that I respect his opinion, despite not agreeing with it). I don’t think it would change my opinion at all. None of that changes my opinion. You think I am some naive doofus, I’m not. But nothing I say is going to change that. I can tell you one thing I HAVE experienced my entire life is people who are older than me thinking that I know nothing because of my age, and that anything I say is stupid. I VIVIDLY remember that the only people who ever showed any genuine respect for my opinions growing up were my parents. People somehow seem to forget this as they age. You, and many other people here, have convinced yourselves that I am some dumb “bro” who’s just stirring up shit. Your opinion of me could not be more off track, but there’s nothing I could possibly do to convince you, or anybody else, of that fact, especially when you have no interest in believing anything other than “we’re older, he’s a dumb punk kid.”
Not everybody agrees with you. Some people have stated so in this thread, and some people have done it via PM to me, saying that they avoided direct comment because they didn’t want to get in to the e-fight that all of the older, “more mature” posters have started. This isn’t directed at you personally, I find your posts insulting, but not in a blatant, childish way.
I liked the MLK quote that was posted, that everybody so caught up in calling me names ignored. I’ll post it again:
Would all of you say the same things you have said to me, to him? To those who would misconstrue my words to avoid the point, I am in no way saying that I am Martin Luther King, Jr. In this case though, our opinions are the same.