[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I didn’t launch a personal attack on anybody, so I don’t think you should take personal offense to my opinions. However, you are entitled to feel whatever you want.[/quote]
You didnt attack anyone explicitly but you projected your self righteous image onto to everyone when you said that you dont see how ANYONE can be happy about this.
And there you go doing it again telling some explicitly how they should respond emotionally to something you said. And to top if off you’ve even ALLOWED him to feel however he wants.
Thank God you allowed him to feel how he wants. You are truly are a generous little tyke
I agree with all of that. I just can’t see it making me happy. I can’t ever see anybody’s death making me want to smile and throw a party.[/quote]
Thank you for expressing your feelings a little clearer.
Please try to have some deep insight and you will see that it is not just “anybody’s death”, it is not even his death that brings happiness…
The happiness you see on the surface is to what is behind Osama’s death:
That evil was taunting good, evil was escaping and “getting away with it”, evil was triumphing good and mocking innocence, smiling at the face of death and celebrating it, violation upon violation THEN finally what represented the forces of good triumphed over that force that symbolized evil.
Look at the situation beyond what meets the eye; in depth, please.
Alternatively, watch the first Start War movies and you will understand this “happiness”.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
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Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
Then this would be like you offering your opinion on what it’s like to be 275lbs at 8% bf, when you’re actually 150lbs and skinnyfat. You just haven’t experienced it. You saw it on TV, you read it in a book, you didn’t LIVE IT.
When you say people shouldn’t be happy that a murderer who killed their loved one was killed, you’re basically devaluing their (justified, IMO) opinion.
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I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
All I can say is that I truly feel that if someone killed a loved one, I would very much want them to be punished. I would want them brought to justice, and possibly even killed. I agree with all of that. ut can’t see it making me happy. I can’t ever see anybody’s death making me want to smile and throw a party.[/quote]
Do you not know your opinion? Or is your opinion that you’d want them to be served justice? Because for those of us who were directly affected by 9/11, the death of Osama is just that.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
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Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
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I think that’s it in a nutshell.
There was most of the country that turned on the TV and said, “Holy shit.”
And then there were those of us that looked out the window and said, “HOLY SHIT.”
There was most of the country that called their family and said, “Are you watching this!?”
And there was us, here, that called our families and said, “Please tell me (INSERT NAME HERE) wasn’t in the city today, please tell me you heard from them.”
The difference between these things is unspeakably large.[/quote]
This is a perfect way to state it. In school everyone was in shock as soon as the news broke. The kids who had parents working in the WTC were pulled asided before everyone else found out, and told individually what had happened. The difference in emotion that they felt compared to the other students who didn’t have parents in the WTC is unthinkable.
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does. No I haven’t been there, no I haven’t lost anyone, and no I wasn’t directly affected by it, and I freely admit that. I don’t think I’ve said anything disrespectful to anybody, and the people who are acting like I am somehow saying he was a good guy, or that he didn’t deserve to die, are being ignorant. I will willingly admit that I don’t know what my opinion would be if the situation was different, if I were directly affected by this, or had been in some comparable situation.
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Then why are you surprised by the type of responses you’re getting from people that were there or were directly affected.
I’ve been reading facebook posts like your previous comments all day. I worked a 1 minute walk from the NYSE, 6 blocks from the WTC. None of my friends or family luckily died that day, but I did have a lifelong friend who worked in the building and barely escaped. I returned to a desk covered with soot and ash and had to breathe in whatever toxic shit was in the air for months. For those that worked in the area, you know that neighborhood smelt smokey and toxic for over a month. Coworkers lost friends and entire office we did business with was wiped out. (not talking about the financial consequence either, these were people we had a personal relationship with)
So yeah when I read a facebook post that says “Does it really make difference?” it pisses me off and I think of how big if a dickhead the person who posted it is. To be honest, I felt the same way reading your posts.
Here’s the worst fuckin post of the day:
"… it seems fishy to me too. Makes u think that obama is just part of the whole thing, almost like a ploy, he himselfcould be part of the whole terroristic plot. But u really r going to bury him at sea withing 24 hrs bc of his religion?? When we have been lookingfor him for 10yrs?! That is just a lil crazy. Whatever who the hell knows?! They can tell the people anything. "
just to throw this into the mix too, a quote by MLK jr.
â??“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
Not at all trying to say Osama shouldn’t have been killed, just food for thought I guess
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I remember exactly where I was too. Everyone does.
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Not everyone remembers “oh fuck, mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter is in the towers!” going through their head a second after they heard of it. You are one of those people.
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I think that’s it in a nutshell.
There was most of the country that turned on the TV and said, “Holy shit.”
And then there were those of us that looked out the window and said, “HOLY SHIT.”
There was most of the country that called their family and said, “Are you watching this!?”
And there was us, here, that called our families and said, “Please tell me (INSERT NAME HERE) wasn’t in the city today, please tell me you heard from them.”
The difference between these things is unspeakably large.[/quote]
The logic you’re using here is that “everybody else is doing it, so it’s ok for me to do it too.” On a side note, I think it’s a little silly that I, and a few other people, said pretty plainly that we don’t agree with the “party” reaction to a man getting shot in the head, and the response is “you’re a piece of shit. you’re a dipshit.” etc. etc. I used to think everybody that was older than me was smarter and more mature than me. I thought adults pretty much had it all figured out. It is sad to constantly be reminded that most people never grow up. Nobody came in here and called all the people who find happiness in death “dipshit,” or unleashed a bunch of pointless cursing rather than trying to make an actual point. I just can’t believe grown people can’t find a better way to put forth their ideas. It’s embarrassing, and throwing that out as a way to tell someone you think you’re better than them is pretty weak.
The argument about human nature is weak too. My first instinct is to hurt somebody that makes me mad, does that mean I can punch my boss if he pisses me off? It’s human nature, right? To expect me to go against it would be to “display your utterly pathetic lack of connection with the human race.” There are a million examples of “human nature” that are frowned upon, because we ARE supposed to be civilized. We aren’t wild animals, we are supposed to be able to use logic and reasoning.
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
just to throw this into the mix too, a quote by MLK jr.
â??“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
Not at all trying to say Osama shouldn’t have been killed, just food for thought I guess[/quote]
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
just to throw this into the mix too, a quote by MLK jr.
Ã?¢??“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
Not at all trying to say Osama shouldn’t have been killed, just food for thought I guess[/quote]
Classic.
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Ask his wife whom he sexually betrayed how she feels about his “love”.
