Osama Bin Laden Dead

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

LOL @ extreme irony.[/quote]

Youre off the deep end on this one man. What youre saying is unbelievably insulting to anyone who was directly affected by the deaths he caused. [/quote]

Dude, I think you know I’m as up for a debate as anyone, but apparently my sentiments here have been FAR misconstrued. Clearly people are all riled up and feel strongly about this one right now, so I’m just going to pack up and head back to the NFL thread. Reason is thrown out the window with this kind of topic so I’m not even sure why I tried to say anything other than [quote] Transport his body to the U.S., tie him and the carcass of a swine with a 20 foot length of rope to the bumper of a New York Taxi Cab and drag his dead lifeless body through the streets of lower Manhattan and broadcast the scene live to the world. [/quote][/quote]

Good Idea, I think Ill follow you there.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

I don’t know about you guys, but my whole outlook on America moving forward the last couple of years has been pretty shitty. My belief in this country has been shaken, my trust in this whole system has been lost, and over the last handful of months I began to consider that we’re not a world power nor are we deserving of any respect around the globe.

I see the images from the Royal Wedding, I see that there was no real American representation there, and it sends a message. We might be big and bad but we’re not welcome. Not being invited to the party is a bummer no matter who you are.

What’s worse is that I believe it and agreed with it. We don’t deserve that kind of visibility, what with all the bullshit we’re involved with these days. We’re chasing our tails so mightily and consuming so much without picking our heads up that we’ve become irrelevant, outside of being the gullible customer for goods from China and fuel from the Middle east.

China, the UK, Germany, Japan. These nations have been around CENTURIES, and perhaps those folks are looking at us as the flash in the pan that’s ultimately going to dissolve under one flag or another and be fought over by the opposing, but not a flag with any real staying power.

OBL’s death is a good death. It’s a death that’s overdue and welcomed. Does this fix everything including my outlook on America’s future? Not at all, but it’s a step in the right direction. Something to get behind and be glad for. Something that in our hearts helps those who’ve lost their lives as well as their families rest a little easier. So we can fucking finally move on already.

I’m ready for the globe to look at us like Teddy Roosevelt again, rather than the Self Defense instructor from Napoleon Dynamite. Hopefully this sends the message that we deserve to go to the party, and can back it up.

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What’s sad is that you think being snubbed by the Royal Family is a big deal. What’s even sadder is that you seem to think America’s greatness is a direct function of our foreign policy.

I am an American, and I feel insulted that you lend credence to those who would condemn me for a policy that I have nothing to do with.[/quote]

It’s not a big deal, but it is indeed a subtle signal to those who are in the business of paying attention.

I’m not even bothered with our foreign policy, I’m bothered by our foreign consumerism especially when things are fairly fucked up domestically.

You’re an offended American because of what I said, I’m an offended American by what I feel. It’s all the same in regard to this topic. And ultimately, if you want to get back to selling America for what we’re really supposed to be, then lead the charge homey, and quit dwelling on how your feelings are hurt.

This isn’t, nor has it ever been about you.

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I’m sorry but the people who feel sorry OBL is dead is like saying they’re sad Dahmer is dead. Hello!!! He’s a mass murderer!!! With NO conscience! A psychopath! His organization has no qualms about using women and children as suicide bombers! Osama is not a man. Osama was not a man. He was a target to be eliminated and we did exactly that. Good riddance to shitty rubbish!

Also, there has always been speculation that Osama had supporters in Pakistan’s gov’t. How could he build that huge compound in the middle of a major suburb of the capital city and people in gov’t NOT know? He’s reportedly been there for years and that certain people in Pakistan’s gov’t knew this and hid this information. Pakistan either needs to be considered a true enemy of the US or they need to do a major housecleaning so they can become the ally they supposedly are.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Not out of respect for the one who deserved death, but out of self respect.

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That’s the key. We were his enemies because we are American, and we are American because we refuse to yield ideals to impulses.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ude garame wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
How will this change shit in the Middle East? A new leader takes over, and then what? Great we killed him, but now what?[/quote]

Bin Laden has been a figurehead and recruiter for the ‘terrorist’ cause for so long, his ability to incite response from his people/followers through his speeches was something that had never existed in those people at that level before.

He was more than just some face of the enemy.[/quote]

The sheep scatter when you strike down the shepherd. [/quote]

Funny you think they are all sheep… There will be more, just like nobody heard of Osama before 9/11…
Good catch USA, but don’t think it’ll be the last of Al Qaida and the sorts…[/quote]

Osama was a big deal well before 9/11. This isn’t some tiny loss of leadership for their organization. That doesn’t mean ‘yay end of the war’ but it’s certainly more than ‘ho hum some dude gonna pick up his slack by tomorrow morning.’ He’s been their leader for 20 years, helped resist Soviet invasion, provided incredible wealth they would otherwise not have, and has united would be random insurgent factions together with his rhetoric to become a weapon to use against the western world. The most likely outcome is that several people want his position and will go back to fighting for it like they were before Osama came to power in the first place. Any retaliation that happens in the image of his martyrdom will be far weaker than they would’ve been with him still there.[/quote]

QFT

That family guy clip was originally aired before 9/11. He’s been wanted for years. This is the big one. Well done to the US forces. Hopefully this will bring closure to the tragic events

Oh BBC are now reporting that the Pentagon have images of his death, but fear they are too bloody to be released.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

Osama was a big deal well before 9/11. This isn’t some tiny loss of leadership for their organization. That doesn’t mean ‘yay end of the war’ but it’s certainly more than ‘ho hum some dude gonna pick up his slack by tomorrow morning.’ He’s been their leader for 20 years, helped resist Soviet invasion, provided incredible wealth they would otherwise not have, and has united would be random insurgent factions together with his rhetoric to become a weapon to use against the western world. The most likely outcome is that several people want his position and will go back to fighting for it like they were before Osama came to power in the first place. Any retaliation that happens in the image of his martyrdom will be far weaker than they would’ve been with him still there.[/quote]

The terrorism expert on CNN last night shared this sentiment. There isn’t, to his knowledge, another person with the same match of charisma and resume in the network. His view was that Al Qaeda would be a shell of itself without OBL.

I guess I’ll take his word for it, but we’ll see.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

I don’t know about you guys, but my whole outlook on America moving forward the last couple of years has been pretty shitty. My belief in this country has been shaken, my trust in this whole system has been lost, and over the last handful of months I began to consider that we’re not a world power nor are we deserving of any respect around the globe.

I see the images from the Royal Wedding, I see that there was no real American representation there, and it sends a message. We might be big and bad but we’re not welcome. Not being invited to the party is a bummer no matter who you are.

What’s worse is that I believe it and agreed with it. We don’t deserve that kind of visibility, what with all the bullshit we’re involved with these days. We’re chasing our tails so mightily and consuming so much without picking our heads up that we’ve become irrelevant, outside of being the gullible customer for goods from China and fuel from the Middle east.

China, the UK, Germany, Japan. These nations have been around CENTURIES, and perhaps those folks are looking at us as the flash in the pan that’s ultimately going to dissolve under one flag or another and be fought over by the opposing, but not a flag with any real staying power.

OBL’s death is a good death. It’s a death that’s overdue and welcomed. Does this fix everything including my outlook on America’s future? Not at all, but it’s a step in the right direction. Something to get behind and be glad for. Something that in our hearts helps those who’ve lost their lives as well as their families rest a little easier. So we can fucking finally move on already.

I’m ready for the globe to look at us like Teddy Roosevelt again, rather than the Self Defense instructor from Napoleon Dynamite. Hopefully this sends the message that we deserve to go to the party, and can back it up.

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What’s sad is that you think being snubbed by the Royal Family is a big deal. What’s even sadder is that you seem to think America’s greatness is a direct function of our foreign policy.

I am an American, and I feel insulted that you lend credence to those who would condemn me for a policy that I have nothing to do with.[/quote]

It’s not a big deal, but it is indeed a subtle signal to those who are in the business of paying attention.

I’m not even bothered with our foreign policy, I’m bothered by our foreign consumerism especially when things are fairly fucked up domestically.

You’re an offended American because of what I said, I’m an offended American by what I feel. It’s all the same in regard to this topic. And ultimately, if you want to get back to selling America for what we’re really supposed to be, then lead the charge homey, and quit dwelling on how your feelings are hurt.

This isn’t, nor has it ever been about you.

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I have to agree with you on your feelings about America. However, I disagree with you about the royal wedding. The wedding was a family affair, every royal somebody invited is/was related to every other royal someone invited and we are not part of that family. This was not a political happening, it was a family happening. No ambassadors were there, no heads of states that are not monarchies. Now…when a coronation happens, that will be a different story.

Sorry for the hijack, back to the topic. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

Osama was a big deal well before 9/11. This isn’t some tiny loss of leadership for their organization. That doesn’t mean ‘yay end of the war’ but it’s certainly more than ‘ho hum some dude gonna pick up his slack by tomorrow morning.’ He’s been their leader for 20 years, helped resist Soviet invasion, provided incredible wealth they would otherwise not have, and has united would be random insurgent factions together with his rhetoric to become a weapon to use against the western world. The most likely outcome is that several people want his position and will go back to fighting for it like they were before Osama came to power in the first place. Any retaliation that happens in the image of his martyrdom will be far weaker than they would’ve been with him still there.[/quote]

The terrorism expert on CNN last night shared this sentiment. There isn’t, to his knowledge, another person with the same match of charisma and resume in the network. His view was that Al Qaeda would be a shell of itself without OBL.

I guess I’ll take his word for it, but we’ll see.[/quote]

Exactly. Someone said that with OBL in charge there had been stability in al Qaeda. I have a feeling without OBL taking control al Qaeda would not have become the terrorist organization it did.

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I kind of feel sorry for any American who doesn’t derive any modicum of pleasure from Bin Laden’s demise. My fellow New Yorkers (NJ’ers count, too) seem to be the only ones with any sense of perspective. I’m surprised by the amount of Chomskyan conspiracy theory bullshit in this thread.

Also, some of you have some fucked up logic. So…since terrorism will still exist after OBL’s death…we shouldn’t have bothered? So we should only take out the people that will result in the complete eradication of terrorism? His death might not END terrorism, but it:

  1. sends a message that justice will (eventually) be served if you fuck with us
  2. restores some much-needed confidence domestically. I can only imagine how good the news felt for all of our troops abroad.
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[quote]bcingu wrote:
I kind of feel sorry for any American who doesn’t derive any modicum of pleasure from Bin Laden’s demise. My fellow New Yorkers (NJ’ers count, too) seem to be the only ones with any sense of perspective. I’m surprised by the amount of Chomskyan conspiracy theory bullshit in this thread.

Also, some of you have some fucked up logic. So…since terrorism will still exist after OBL’s death…we shouldn’t have bothered? So we should only take out the people that will result in the complete eradication of terrorism? His death might not END terrorism, but it:

  1. sends a message that justice will (eventually) be served if you fuck with us
  2. restores some much-needed confidence domestically. I can only imagine how good the news felt for all of our troops abroad.[/quote]

Nicely put.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

I don’t know about you guys, but my whole outlook on America moving forward the last couple of years has been pretty shitty. My belief in this country has been shaken, my trust in this whole system has been lost, and over the last handful of months I began to consider that we’re not a world power nor are we deserving of any respect around the globe.

I see the images from the Royal Wedding, I see that there was no real American representation there, and it sends a message. We might be big and bad but we’re not welcome. Not being invited to the party is a bummer no matter who you are.

What’s worse is that I believe it and agreed with it. We don’t deserve that kind of visibility, what with all the bullshit we’re involved with these days. We’re chasing our tails so mightily and consuming so much without picking our heads up that we’ve become irrelevant, outside of being the gullible customer for goods from China and fuel from the Middle east.

China, the UK, Germany, Japan. These nations have been around CENTURIES, and perhaps those folks are looking at us as the flash in the pan that’s ultimately going to dissolve under one flag or another and be fought over by the opposing, but not a flag with any real staying power.

OBL’s death is a good death. It’s a death that’s overdue and welcomed. Does this fix everything including my outlook on America’s future? Not at all, but it’s a step in the right direction. Something to get behind and be glad for. Something that in our hearts helps those who’ve lost their lives as well as their families rest a little easier. So we can fucking finally move on already.

I’m ready for the globe to look at us like Teddy Roosevelt again, rather than the Self Defense instructor from Napoleon Dynamite. Hopefully this sends the message that we deserve to go to the party, and can back it up.

[/quote]

What’s sad is that you think being snubbed by the Royal Family is a big deal. What’s even sadder is that you seem to think America’s greatness is a direct function of our foreign policy.

I am an American, and I feel insulted that you lend credence to those who would condemn me for a policy that I have nothing to do with.[/quote]

It’s not a big deal, but it is indeed a subtle signal to those who are in the business of paying attention.

I’m not even bothered with our foreign policy, I’m bothered by our foreign consumerism especially when things are fairly fucked up domestically.

You’re an offended American because of what I said, I’m an offended American by what I feel. It’s all the same in regard to this topic. And ultimately, if you want to get back to selling America for what we’re really supposed to be, then lead the charge homey, and quit dwelling on how your feelings are hurt.

This isn’t, nor has it ever been about you.

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I am leading the charge, you fucking prick. I quit a pretty decent paying job as an HVAC technician to move to a city with 15% unemployment so I could go back to school and earn my teaching credential and work in a field where I’m virtually taking a vow of poverty so that I can be a positive influence on the youth of today that will shape America tomorrow. Teaching is my gift and I will be using that gift to help instill in American children and teenagers a pride in our country that goes beyond whatever jackass decisions the administration-of-the-month makes.

So I am leading the charge, homey. What the fuck are you doing to alleviate American consumerism abroad or whatever the hell it is you are ashamed of in regards to America?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I am leading the charge, you fucking prick. I quit a pretty decent paying job as an HVAC technician to move to a city with 15% unemployment so I could go back to school and earn my teaching credential and work in a field where I’m virtually taking a vow of poverty so that I can be a positive influence on the youth of today that will shape America tomorrow. Teaching is my gift and I will be using that gift to help instill in American children and teenagers a pride in our country that goes beyond whatever jackass decisions the administration-of-the-month makes.

So I am leading the charge, homey. What the fuck are you doing to alleviate American consumerism abroad or whatever the hell it is you are ashamed of in regards to America?[/quote]

So, your feelings are still hurt then. Got it.

As for what I do, PM me and I’ll be glad to discuss it with you, maybe we can share ideas, but I don’t get into specifics in a thread this public.

Signed,
Prick.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
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LOL!! I love it!

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I have said nothing to insinuate that he wasn’t a public enemy, nor that he hasn’t created a flashbulb memory of tragedy in all of us. Or even that people should be sad about his death. All I said was that I’m not happy or gloating over his death, nor do I have any grand ideas about things we could or should have done to his body.

I think I just have a sense of vindication over it, the same as many others. Like a chapter finally ended.
Honestly the biggest sentiments I have are that most people are just showing an exuberant bloodlust after the man is dead, and a gratitude to our troops.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What’s fucked up is that you and some of these other dipshits think you have cornered the market on how humans should react. This is a man who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people around the globe, a man who transformed the entire way of life for the western world. And you think you have it all figured out in terms of how we should react?

I don’t think so pal. It’s human nature to react with joy at the death of someone this hated. Go read some Thomas Hobbes or at least open your fucking eyes and observe humans before you condemn the reaction of some of them. Humans are perpetually at war with one another and only the willingness to lay down certain rights in order for protection within a society alleviates this natural human nature. When you are perpetually at war, in an attempt to secure your own peace, it is entirely natural to rejoice when someone who is at least perceived as being a large threat to that peace is eliminated.

But just because we live in a “civilized” manner does not eliminate the natural nature of man. So for you to expect humans to go against their very nature in this regard is beyond ignorant and displays your utterly pathetic lack of connection with the human race. You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

The logic you’re using here is that “everybody else is doing it, so it’s ok for me to do it too.” On a side note, I think it’s a little silly that I, and a few other people, said pretty plainly that we don’t agree with the “party” reaction to a man getting shot in the head, and the response is “you’re a piece of shit. you’re a dipshit.” etc. etc. I used to think everybody that was older than me was smarter and more mature than me. I thought adults pretty much had it all figured out. It is sad to constantly be reminded that most people never grow up. Nobody came in here and called all the people who find happiness in death “dipshit,” or unleashed a bunch of pointless cursing rather than trying to make an actual point. I just can’t believe grown people can’t find a better way to put forth their ideas. It’s embarrassing, and throwing that out as a way to tell someone you think you’re better than them is pretty weak.

The argument about human nature is weak too. My first instinct is to hurt somebody that makes me mad, does that mean I can punch my boss if he pisses me off? It’s human nature, right? To expect me to go against it would be to “display your utterly pathetic lack of connection with the human race.” There are a million examples of “human nature” that are frowned upon, because we ARE supposed to be civilized. We aren’t wild animals, we are supposed to be able to use logic and reasoning.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Youre off the deep end on this one man. What youre saying is unbelievably insulting to anyone who was directly affected by the deaths he caused. [/quote]

Were you directly affected by them? I was not, and I wouldn’t claim to know how anybody who was feels. I wonder if there are any regular posters here who were? Not that I would necessarily expect them to want to discuss the matter.

I’ve never lost someone I cared about as a result of another person’s actions. My understanding, though, has generally been that people find no joy or happiness when a person who took someone from them is brought to justice. I think it is more common to feel a sense of closure, to feel that the right thing has been done, but speaking personally, I can’t imagine finding any happiness in it. No amount of justice can ever bring a loved one back. Killing him does nothing to bring back the people he killed. He deserved to be punished and I support the actions taken, but I see nothing to CELEBRATE. I see no HAPPINESS in death.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I’m sorry but the people who feel sorry OBL is dead is like saying they’re sad Dahmer is dead. Hello!!! He’s a mass murderer!!! With NO conscience! A psychopath! His organization has no qualms about using women and children as suicide bombers! Osama is not a man. Osama was not a man. He was a target to be eliminated and we did exactly that. Good riddance to shitty rubbish!
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There hasn’t been a single post, that I’ve seen, where “I’m sad he died,” or anything along those lines, has been said.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
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DAMN I was just about to post this lol

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
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I’m no fan of Obama but that is a great fucking picture.