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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
PLEASE CAN WE NOT START A “DEATHER” MOVEMENT ? !!!

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It is not a movement it is a reckoning.

As unpleasant as it is it must be dealt with.
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OK good point but,

Can we please build the WTC now ?[/quote]

If we could get The Donald to stop spending his money on fighting Obama, I am sure he would have no problem rise to that challenge of a WTC that is bigger, taller and better…

In fact, if he really wanted to run for Prezzy and he did that maybe that would win him some votes.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
PLEASE CAN WE NOT START A “DEATHER” MOVEMENT ? !!!

[/quote]

It is not a movement it is a reckoning.

As unpleasant as it is it must be dealt with.
[/quote]

OK good point but,

Can we please build the WTC now ?[/quote]

If we could get The Donald to stop spending his money on fighting Obama, I am sure he would have no problem rise to that challenge of a WTC that is bigger, taller and better…

In fact, if he really wanted to run for Prezzy and he did that maybe that would win him some votes.[/quote]

Haha! Good points, Alpha.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. [/quote]

The top of what?

The twin Towers?

What measuring stick are you using and by what standards are you judging peoples emotions?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. That being said, are you not happy OBL is dead?[/quote]

I don’t know, I’m conflicted on the issue. Yeah, he was largely responsible for the 9/11 tragedy, that’s bad. I find it difficult to be happy that someone died, though, no matter the circumstances. To be honest, I’d probably be a little closer to “happy” if KJI was found dead, as I feel he poses a much more imminent threat to the world in general.

Everything is of a transitory nature, and this will breed additional ramifications, issues, and all sorts of shit.

For whatever it’s worth, a lot of responses in this thread make people sound just as extreme as these same “radical” groups we’re trying to stop.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

What’s fucked up is that you and some of these other dipshits think you have cornered the market on how humans should react. This is a man who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people around the globe, a man who transformed the entire way of life for the western world. And you think you have it all figured out in terms of how we should react?

I don’t think so pal. It’s human nature to react with joy at the death of someone this hated. Go read some Thomas Hobbes or at least open your fucking eyes and observe humans before you condemn the reaction of some of them. Humans are perpetually at war with one another and only the willingness to lay down certain rights in order for protection within a society alleviates this natural human nature. When you are perpetually at war, in an attempt to secure your own peace, it is entirely natural to rejoice when someone who is at least perceived as being a large threat to that peace is eliminated.

But just because we live in a “civilized” manner does not eliminate the natural nature of man. So for you to expect humans to go against their very nature in this regard is beyond ignorant and displays your utterly pathetic lack of connection with the human race. You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. That being said, are you not happy OBL is dead?[/quote]

I don’t know, I’m conflicted on the issue. Yeah, he was largely responsible for the 9/11 tragedy, that’s bad. I find it difficult to be happy that someone died, though, no matter the circumstances. To be honest, I’d probably be a little closer to “happy” if KJI was found dead, as I feel he poses a much more imminent threat to the world in general.

Everything is of a transitory nature, and this will breed additional ramifications, issues, and all sorts of shit.

For whatever it’s worth, a lot of responses in this thread make people sound just as extreme as these same “radical” groups we’re trying to stop.[/quote]

Using the terms “happy” and “bad” belittle the results of his actions and the obvious and other not so obvious ramifications of his actions. I am overjoyed that this “man” is dead,
and cannot understand why a man so vile, and evil, and yet there are those that are conflicted as to wether they should be happy of his death…this isnt someone, this is someone that would have no issue offing you and your loved ones. If someone like that has been killed I am “happy.”

Of course I am aware of the possible retribution, but there will always be the threat of attacks wether he is alive or not. He is the unquestioned charasmatic leader of Al Qaeda, his second in command does not demand the following and adoration that he does or did, it is a blow for al Qaeda and and the world is a better place with him gone.

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I am happy he’s dead. And I can understand the viewpoint that makes me no better than those who dance in the street celebrating american deaths (I think there’s a difference between the death of a killer and the death of citizens, I certainly wouldn’t be hopping up and down if Riyadh was hit by an airstrike, but I’ll put that aside for a moment).

But I never thought of myself, or us as a collective, as “better” than them. We’re all human beings, and all subject to petty cruelties. So maybe being happy that this guys dead makes me no better than them, but no worse either. edit: to go a little further, the idea that we ARE “better” than them, or that we should be “above” their reactions seems to me a bit ethnocentric, uncomfortably so. /edit

This is a great day, and one I expect to remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard for the rest of my life.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

LOL @ extreme irony.

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I don’t know about you guys, but my whole outlook on America moving forward the last couple of years has been pretty shitty. My belief in this country has been shaken, my trust in this whole system has been lost, and over the last handful of months I began to consider that we’re not a world power nor are we deserving of any respect around the globe.

I see the images from the Royal Wedding, I see that there was no real American representation there, and it sends a message. We might be big and bad but we’re not welcome. Not being invited to the party is a bummer no matter who you are.

What’s worse is that I believe it and agreed with it. We don’t deserve that kind of visibility, what with all the bullshit we’re involved with these days. We’re chasing our tails so mightily and consuming so much without picking our heads up that we’ve become irrelevant, outside of being the gullible customer for goods from China and fuel from the Middle east.

China, the UK, Germany, Japan. These nations have been around CENTURIES, and perhaps those folks are looking at us as the flash in the pan that’s ultimately going to dissolve under one flag or another and be fought over by the opposing, but not a flag with any real staying power.

OBL’s death is a good death. It’s a death that’s overdue and welcomed. Does this fix everything including my outlook on America’s future? Not at all, but it’s a step in the right direction. Something to get behind and be glad for. Something that in our hearts helps those who’ve lost their lives as well as their families rest a little easier. So we can fucking finally move on already.

I’m ready for the globe to look at us like Teddy Roosevelt again, rather than the Self Defense instructor from Napoleon Dynamite. Hopefully this sends the message that we deserve to go to the party, and can back it up.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

LOL @ extreme irony.[/quote]

Seriously SSC.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

I don’t know about you guys, but my whole outlook on America moving forward the last couple of years has been pretty shitty. My belief in this country has been shaken, my trust in this whole system has been lost, and over the last handful of months I began to consider that we’re not a world power nor are we deserving of any respect around the globe.

I see the images from the Royal Wedding, I see that there was no real American representation there, and it sends a message. We might be big and bad but we’re not welcome. Not being invited to the party is a bummer no matter who you are.

What’s worse is that I believe it and agreed with it. We don’t deserve that kind of visibility, what with all the bullshit we’re involved with these days. We’re chasing our tails so mightily and consuming so much without picking our heads up that we’ve become irrelevant, outside of being the gullible customer for goods from China and fuel from the Middle east.

China, the UK, Germany, Japan. These nations have been around CENTURIES, and perhaps those folks are looking at us as the flash in the pan that’s ultimately going to dissolve under one flag or another and be fought over by the opposing, but not a flag with any real staying power.

OBL’s death is a good death. It’s a death that’s overdue and welcomed. Does this fix everything including my outlook on America’s future? Not at all, but it’s a step in the right direction. Something to get behind and be glad for. Something that in our hearts helps those who’ve lost their lives as well as their families rest a little easier. So we can fucking finally move on already.

I’m ready for the globe to look at us like Teddy Roosevelt again, rather than the Self Defense instructor from Napoleon Dynamite. Hopefully this sends the message that we deserve to go to the party, and can back it up.

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What’s sad is that you think being snubbed by the Royal Family is a big deal. What’s even sadder is that you seem to think America’s greatness is a direct function of our foreign policy.

I am an American, and I feel insulted that you lend credence to those who would condemn me for a policy that I have nothing to do with.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. [/quote]

The top of what?

The twin Towers?

What measuring stick are you using and by what standards are you judging peoples emotions?
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The whole “we should take his body, drag it through NY, set it on fire and piss on the remains” type of reactions that serve no purpose, IMO, are over the top. Don’t get me wrong, I have the same emotions and would love to do the same, but logically speaking they serve no purpose and my end goal is “how can we stop terrorism” and pissing on OBL’s remains is by no means advancing that goal. That’s all I’m getting at.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. That being said, are you not happy OBL is dead?[/quote]

I don’t know, I’m conflicted on the issue. Yeah, he was largely responsible for the 9/11 tragedy, that’s bad. I find it difficult to be happy that someone died, though, no matter the circumstances. To be honest, I’d probably be a little closer to “happy” if KJI was found dead, as I feel he poses a much more imminent threat to the world in general.

Everything is of a transitory nature, and this will breed additional ramifications, issues, and all sorts of shit.

For whatever it’s worth, a lot of responses in this thread make people sound just as extreme as these same “radical” groups we’re trying to stop.[/quote]

Using the terms “happy” and “bad” belittle the results of his actions and the obvious and other not so obvious ramifications of his actions. I am overjoyed that this “man” is dead,
and cannot understand why a man so vile, and evil, and yet there are those that are conflicted as to wether they should be happy of his death…this isnt someone, this is someone that would have no issue offing you and your loved ones. If someone like that has been killed I am “happy.”

Of course I am aware of the possible retribution, but there will always be the threat of attacks wether he is alive or not. He is the unquestioned charasmatic leader of Al Qaeda, his second in command does not demand the following and adoration that he does or did, it is a blow for al Qaeda and and the world is a better place with him gone.[/quote]

Good post. Being conflicted about his death is so far off base of rationality (IMO, obviously) I can’t even begin to relate to it. There are certain deaths we should be happy about and this is by no means a gray area. There are plenty of defective people in the world that deserve to die and the world is a better place without them. OBL is one of those people.

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tango down motherucker

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Skyman70 wrote:
I understand eu’s point. I’m not going to get really excited over the murder of a man. That doesn’t sit right with me. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand the sentiment, nor that I don’t agree with his death being just. Only that I won’t jump for joy over it.[/quote]

Yeah… This. Some of this shit people are spewing in this thread is fucked up, seriously.[/quote]

I agree the emotional, knee-jerk reactions in this thread are way over the top. That being said, are you not happy OBL is dead?[/quote]

I don’t know, I’m conflicted on the issue. Yeah, he was largely responsible for the 9/11 tragedy, that’s bad. I find it difficult to be happy that someone died, though, no matter the circumstances. To be honest, I’d probably be a little closer to “happy” if KJI was found dead, as I feel he poses a much more imminent threat to the world in general.

Everything is of a transitory nature, and this will breed additional ramifications, issues, and all sorts of shit.

For whatever it’s worth, a lot of responses in this thread make people sound just as extreme as these same “radical” groups we’re trying to stop.[/quote]

Using the terms “happy” and “bad” belittle the results of his actions and the obvious and other not so obvious ramifications of his actions. I am overjoyed that this “man” is dead,
and cannot understand why a man so vile, and evil, and yet there are those that are conflicted as to wether they should be happy of his death…this isnt someone, this is someone that would have no issue offing you and your loved ones. If someone like that has been killed I am “happy.”

Of course I am aware of the possible retribution, but there will always be the threat of attacks wether he is alive or not. He is the unquestioned charasmatic leader of Al Qaeda, his second in command does not demand the following and adoration that he does or did, it is a blow for al Qaeda and and the world is a better place with him gone.[/quote]

I definitely understand these kind of sentiments, and I recognize that this man was the face of something that’s worth fighting against in this world. Anyone who would contest that is clearly delusional.

My comments were more pointed towards dudes like the guy who has ODB as his avatar talking about dragging his body through the streets, yadda yadda yadda. It’s just verbal diarrhea, really. And again, I’m not ECSTATIC because I really don’t feel this guy posed much of a threat anymore.

I actually think KBCThird ^ makes a really good point above, and probably articulated it much better than me, and is more what I’m trying to illustrate. Take everything at face-value.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

LOL @ extreme irony.[/quote]

Youre off the deep end on this one man. What youre saying is unbelievably insulting to anyone who was directly affected by the deaths he caused.

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[quote]ude garame wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
How will this change shit in the Middle East? A new leader takes over, and then what? Great we killed him, but now what?[/quote]

Bin Laden has been a figurehead and recruiter for the ‘terrorist’ cause for so long, his ability to incite response from his people/followers through his speeches was something that had never existed in those people at that level before.

He was more than just some face of the enemy.[/quote]

The sheep scatter when you strike down the shepherd. [/quote]

Funny you think they are all sheep… There will be more, just like nobody heard of Osama before 9/11…
Good catch USA, but don’t think it’ll be the last of Al Qaida and the sorts…[/quote]

Osama was a big deal well before 9/11. This isn’t some tiny loss of leadership for their organization. That doesn’t mean ‘yay end of the war’ but it’s certainly more than ‘ho hum some dude gonna pick up his slack by tomorrow morning.’ He’s been their leader for 20 years, helped resist Soviet invasion, provided incredible wealth they would otherwise not have, and has united would be random insurgent factions together with his rhetoric to become a weapon to use against the western world. The most likely outcome is that several people want his position and will go back to fighting for it like they were before Osama came to power in the first place. Any retaliation that happens in the image of his martyrdom will be far weaker than they would’ve been with him still there.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
. And again, I’m not ECSTATIC because I really don’t feel this guy posed much of a threat anymore.

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So basically youre saying that if he had the chance to wipe out this entire country, he wouldnt take it? What else can you mean by ‘pose a threat’. He never did anything by himself. He has people doing things for him.

And forget all that. People deserve punishment proportional to the crime they commit. A bullet to the head is far TOO civilized a way to die. But I dont agree that defiling his body after death serves any purpose.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’ve become so bloated with righteousness and hubris that you’ve blinded yourself to the nature of humanity and yet you still have the gall to come on here and try to take some sort of bastardized moral high road. What a piece of shit. [/quote]

LOL @ extreme irony.[/quote]

Youre off the deep end on this one man. What youre saying is unbelievably insulting to anyone who was directly affected by the deaths he caused. [/quote]

Dude, I think you know I’m as up for a debate as anyone, but apparently my sentiments here have been FAR misconstrued. Clearly people are all riled up and feel strongly about this one right now, so I’m just going to pack up and head back to the NFL thread. Reason is thrown out the window with this kind of topic so I’m not even sure why I tried to say anything other than [quote] Transport his body to the U.S., tie him and the carcass of a swine with a 20 foot length of rope to the bumper of a New York Taxi Cab and drag his dead lifeless body through the streets of lower Manhattan and broadcast the scene live to the world. [/quote]

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
I am happy he’s dead. And I can understand the viewpoint that makes me no better than those who dance in the street celebrating american deaths (I think there’s a difference between the death of a killer and the death of citizens, I certainly wouldn’t be hopping up and down if Riyadh was hit by an airstrike, but I’ll put that aside for a moment).

But I never thought of myself, or us as a collective, as “better” than them. We’re all human beings, and all subject to petty cruelties. So maybe being happy that this guys dead makes me no better than them, but no worse either. edit: to go a little further, the idea that we ARE “better” than them, or that we should be “above” their reactions seems to me a bit ethnocentric, uncomfortably so. /edit

This is a great day, and one I expect to remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard for the rest of my life.[/quote]

Well put.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
But I dont agree that defiling his body after death serves any purpose. [/quote]

No it doesn’t. In the physical realm and big picture, it just satisfies some internal emotional need. It’s not something I would think a powerful individual or country would stoop to. Not out of respect for the one who deserved death, but out of self respect.

There’s no virtue in flogging a dead horse.